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Meesh

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topoon,

First, you admitted your guilt, so don't get defensive when people bash you for it.

Second, you're no less guilty by pointing out how others may break the law.

Third, thread drift is a fact of life on this board - don't get huffy 'cause it's not going the way you intended. Don't want it to drift, don't post!

Finally, if you have such a low opinion of what the members of the board are doing for recreation, why in hell are you here?
 

GDLLover

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"Your also right kids shouldn't be running into a intersection. Problem is they do sometimes. I don't know how I could deal with the fact that I accidentally killed a kid because I didn't stop as I was supposed to, so that I could save 2 to 4 minutes time. I would have a problem seeing the mother of the child break down crying because of my actions. I don't think that it would be any consolation to her that it was her kids fault for not looking and running in the intersection."

I would feel bad that i accidently killed a kid sure, but if it wasn't my fault then there's nothing i can do about it...if your driving down a toronto city street doing 60 in a 50 and a kid walks out from behind a car and you kill them, your going to feel bad because your car killed them. You're not going to be thinking " damn if i was only going 50 instead of 60 i might have been able to stop in time. Roadways are dangerous places, for pedestrians, especially if they aren't paying attention to the cars around them.

Don't you feel the mother's of the ladies on this board would feel the same way if they found out you were paying their daughters to fuck? I bet you don't think about contributing to that do you?

In regards to the above point, your damn right they hope that you won't fight it and just pay up. That's why there are no demerit points associated with it. Just a fine. Most people will realize that their driving record wont be altered and its just easier to pay the $180 then take a day off work and fight it. Regardless of whether they are guilty or not. That is exactly how traffic court works. Most people are suckers, and pay any ticket they get right away. When you go to traffic court, outside the court room is a prosecutor, who offers EVERYBODY a reduced charge with less demerit points and a lower fine. They don't want to have to prove every ticket because it is just too time consuming. So they offer a deal whereby you can walk away feeling like you "won" and they don't even have to try you.
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A) So then your opinion is that cars have the right of way over pedestrians, this type of thinking will get you vehicular manslaughter.

B) Mothers of the SPs while they wouldn't be happy, I have never been violent with any lady during my life and am not about to start. This is of a moral issue and I never said i'm morally perfect. But really its not comparable to the death of their child.

C) Again I don't care whether a person pays their tickets or not, I just want people to drive with care, If they respect the lights great take away the cameras, safety is what were after here.
 

Moraff

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Fine by me. Let them keep paying to keep my taxes down. That money covers the cost of the idiots wasting court time to try an fight a ticket that they clearly deserved. I'd like it better if the judge would assign an additional fine to people who waste the court's time.
I would support that.

p.s. GDL, in Ontario, (and everywhere I've been in Canada) all lights have a delay.
Sorry, while the vast majority of traffic lights do indeed have a delay between red and green not all of them do. I know there's at least one back home (eastern Ontario) where the red and green change happen instantly. And that was still true the last time I was there (about a month ago)

That's the way lights used to be, then the delay was added because there were too many accidents with people running the red and those anticipating the green.
 
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Nofah Kingway

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I just want to thank topoon for pointing out the 23 days issue. One of my co-worker got a red light ticket and worried as hell for the past few days. So today I asked her for the ticket, alleged offence date, September 10, summon was served October 8. So now she will get off on the charge and the productivity at the office will be back to normal again.

Thanks Topoon, but remember you should not do this again for your own safety.
 

topoon

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I never admited guilt anywhere...i said i was already in the inersection when the light changed red, thats not breaking the law or running a red light. Running a red light and breaking the law is when you enter the intersection while the light is already red.
Yes cars do have the right of way on a road over pedestrians when the light is green or amber. If your stupid enough to start running across the road before you have a green you deserve anything that may happen to you
 

Meesh

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I never admited guilt anywhere...i said i was already in the inersection when the light changed red, thats not breaking the law or running a red light. Running a red light and breaking the law is when you enter the intersection while the light is already red.
Yes cars do have the right of way on a road over pedestrians when the light is green or amber. If your stupid enough to start running across the road before you have a green you deserve anything that may happen to you
topoon said:
I understand that I was in fact quilty of the offence...
Changed your mind after, but you posted it.

Makes a better story that way, eh?
 

Moraff

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Yes cars do have the right of way on a road over pedestrians when the light is green or amber. If your stupid enough to start running across the road before you have a green you deserve anything that may happen to you
The pedestrian is indeed in the wrong if they start crossing during the yellow... you still can't run them over with impunity.
 

Toke

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Forget trying to explain that here. If you got the ticket, you MUST be guilty. It's not like machines make mistakes on occasion (maybe that's why an officer needs to certify it). It's not like they need recalibration on occasion. It's not like we have a court system so that you have an opportunity for a FAIR trial - to present evidence, and have your accuser PROVE their case. You're just a bad, irresponsible driver who's going to kill all of us with your scofflaw attitude. :rolleyes:
So being charged is being guilty?
 

topoon

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I admitted i was guilty of being IN the intersection when the light turned red, I never said i admitted to being behind the white line when the light turned red, and gunned it through anyways.
 

GDLLover

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I admitted i was guilty of being IN the intersection when the light turned red, I never said i admitted to being behind the white line when the light turned red, and gunned it through anyways.
This is where your wrong my friend, if you are in the intersection while the light turns red, then you are in violation.

Anyway, i'm glad that you showed that the system is screwed up with the verification of the pictures within 23 days. If LE doesn't follow the rules its their fault, I have no beef here.
 

nolabel

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OK, I have a confession. The Harley was begging me to ride her today. Chilly or not, I could not deny my baby. Approached a few orange lights. This whole thread entered my mind and . . . I . . . STOPPED. I probably could have made it through safely no worries, each time. But that extra caution didn't kill me. Still got home. Maybe 'lost' a few minutes. TERB just increased the safety of the road that tiny weeny fraction.

Just an observation.
 

rhuarc29

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I was approaching a red light as it turned green and still had some decent speed as i crossed. A girl came flying into the intersection from the right trying to turn in front of me. Luckily this was late at night on a four lane street and I was able to swerve in time (barely). She obviously thought anyone approaching from my side of the intersection would have been stopped at the red and have no speed to carry them through. Not always the case, just something to think about.
 

Meesh

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I admitted i was guilty of being IN the intersection when the light turned red, I never said i admitted to being behind the white line when the light turned red, and gunned it through anyways.
No, sir, you admitted to being guilty of the 'offence' - and subsequently changed your post.
 
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