Israeli court convicts 14 year old arab boy of attempted murder

Frankfooter

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I see. You refuse to answer how Palestinian attacks are in any way productive other than just killing Jews. Don't worry, I'm not surprised by you.
Are you stating that the Israeli military are only Jewish?
That really confirms its a racist, Jewish state.

By the way, how does any of this 'lead towards peace'?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...est-bank-children-decade-170103145022165.html
http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.763331
http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/07/01/2017/Israeli-forces-storm-towns-and-villages-in-Jenin

And perhaps at this rate you won't be calling them 'cockroaches' since the targets were military.
And as long as Hamas chooses to attack civilians for a racist, genocidal goal they should be considered cockroaches.
 

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Are you stating that the Israeli military are only Jewish?
That really confirms its a racist, Jewish state.

By the way, how does any of this 'lead towards peace'?
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And perhaps at this rate you won't be calling them 'cockroaches' since the targets were military.
So I guess you won't answer the question either. Palestinian attacks, whether targeting civilians or military do absolutely nothing to help peace or improve the lives of Palestinians. Sadly you don't concern yourself with anything unless it harms Israel.
 

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So I guess you won't answer the question either. Palestinian attacks, whether targeting civilians or military do absolutely nothing to help peace or improve the lives of Palestinians. Sadly you don't concern yourself with anything unless it harms Israel.
I'm a bit of a bystander but I can't help but notice that you ignore the herd of elephants in the room. How does a military occupation help peace? Or the midnight arrests of Palestinian children? Or a wall built illegally? Or hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers that rob the Palestinians of all the natural resources?

I don't know why anyone would answer your question when you ignore these elephants in the room. All these things are being done to Palestinians and you put your hands over your eyes and your ears.
 
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Jerusalem truck attack: four Israeli officer cadets killed and at least 15 injured –

Matthew Taylor and Alice
Sunday 8 January 2017 15.02 GMT

Israeli officer cadets were killed and a dozen wounded when a truck drove into them in Jerusalem
The dead, three men and one woman have, not been identified. Three of the wounded are in a serious condition

The driver of the truck was a Palestinian from Jabel Mukaber, a nearby area of Israeli occupied East Jerusalem. He was shot dead by other soldiers and a tour guard at the scene.
Hamas, the Palestinian militant group, praised the attack but did not claim responsibility.

In a statement its spokesman Abdul-Latif Qanou called it a “heroic” act and encouraged other Palestinians to do the same and “escalate the resistance.”
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So I guess you won't answer the question either. Palestinian attacks, whether targeting civilians or military do absolutely nothing to help peace or improve the lives of Palestinians. Sadly you don't concern yourself with anything unless it harms Israel.
Given that there has been no peace of half a century either through 2 decades of fake peace talks, decades of intifada or decades of international pressure there is no evidence anything has led to Israel ending their brutal occupation on Palestine.

Take a look at your only idea for peace, that Palestinians state that Israel is a racist state that would give Jews more rights then other races or that Hamas lay down their weapons in Gaza, where according to the UN it will be uninhabitable in less then 3 years.

Time to bring in the ICC to charge Israeli leaders (and Hamas) and to support a global BDS movement, which had quite a successful 2016.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/what-were-top-10-bds-victories-2016
 

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Given that there has been no peace of half a century either through 2 decades of fake peace talks, decades of intifada or decades of international pressure there is no evidence anything has led to Israel ending their brutal occupation on Palestine.

Take a look at your only idea for peace, that Palestinians state that Israel is a racist state that would give Jews more rights then other races or that Hamas lay down their weapons in Gaza, where according to the UN it will be uninhabitable in less then 3 years.

Time to bring in the ICC to charge Israeli leaders (and Hamas) and to support a global BDS movement, which had quite a successful 2016.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/what-were-top-10-bds-victories-2016
So that means you think attacks like this last one aren't worth criticizing. What a surprise.
 

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So that means you think attacks like this last one aren't worth criticizing. What a surprise.
What a surprise, a straw man argument.

We are discussing Israeli apartheid policy and the 50 year old occupation. Trying to change the topic to avoid discussion of apartheid policy is just so basketcase.
 

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So that means you refuse to criticize attacks like that one. Not a surprise.
Refuse to criticize?
Its already been discussed here, but as usual there can never be enough 'criticism' of Palestinian attacks.

And in comparison, you will likely refuse to criticize or discuss any of these incidents.
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774838
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774839
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774840
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774797
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774842
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774586

A few headlines from the daily news there.
Or you could check the weekly report on human rights abuses implemented by your favourite people.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=8676

Would you criticize any of those actions?
 

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Refuse to criticize?...
Correct. you have not criticized this attack. This attack on Israelis did absolutely nothing to further peace or help Palestinians but because it was committed by a Palestinian and targeted Israelis you refuse to criticize it.

Over the past week, Hamas and Fatah are celebrating "The Engineer" Yahya Ayyash, the Hamas organizer of a rash of suicide bombings on Israeli transit, pure acts of terror.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-cl...has-reversed-his-ruling-hamas-isnt-listening/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-closes-over-100-hamas-linked-accounts-angering-terror-group/


And if your only response it to point out that Israeli police raid terror suspects then you really have lost it.
 

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Correct. you have not criticized this attack. This attack on Israelis did absolutely nothing to further peace or help Palestinians but because it was committed by a Palestinian and targeted Israelis you refuse to criticize it.
You attack me for not criticizing an attack enough while at the same time refusing to comment on attacks by Israelis.
Typical basketcase nonsense.

There is no need to criticize this attack, Palestinians are entitled to defend against an illegal occupation and this wasn't terrorism.
If you are going to continue to occupy a people against their will, this is a predictable result.
It would be better if they spent their energy on non-violent means, but given there are no peace talks that venue is not open.
Fortunately according to polls more Palestinians support non-violent means like BDS and supporting the ICC, then violent resistance to the illegal occupation.

As you have stated:
Yes, the occupation is the problem.

If you want the attacks to stop just end the occupation.
 

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There is no need to criticize this attack, Palestinians are entitled to defend against an illegal occupation and this wasn't terrorism.
Most people would hope that people refrain from violence and sit down to discuss peace. Not you: You are cheering on the violence. Justifying it. Promoting it.

The Israelis certainly have the right to defend themselves against this kind of murder and war crime.

Don't bitch when they do. You said you don't criticize violence you think is lawful and Israeli attacks on Fatah, Hamas, and any armed assailant are certainly going to be lawful.

You've made your bed.
 

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You attack me for not criticizing an attack enough....
Enough? You flat out refuse to criticize the attack and went so far to say attacks on Israeli military are the 'right' of the Palestinians. Even in this post you justify these attacks instead of criticizing them.

If you want the attacks to stop just end the occupation.
There is no need to criticize this attack, Palestinians are entitled to defend against an illegal occupation and this wasn't terrorism.

And according to polls, 53.8% of Palestinians "armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel." You have no criticism of that either.
 

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Enough? You flat out refuse to criticize the attack and went so far to say attacks on Israeli military are the 'right' of the Palestinians.
Are you claiming that Palestinians have no right to defend themselves against the occupation?
 

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Enough? You flat out refuse to criticize the attack and went so far to say attacks on Israeli military are the 'right' of the Palestinians. Even in this post you justify these attacks instead of criticizing them.
Do you think that only Israel has the right to use violence? A military occupation is by definition violence.
 

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Are you claiming that Palestinians have no right to defend themselves against the occupation?
Palestinian 'self defense' does not include the many, many attacks on Israeli civilians (and they are supported by 54% of Palestinians).

Palestinian attacks on Israeli military may be 'legitimate' violence but they in no way move peace or the lives of Palestinians forward.
 

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Palestinian attacks on Israeli military may be 'legitimate' violence but they in no way move peace or the lives of Palestinians forward.
Thank you for stating that these attacks are 'legitimate'.

I agree that they aren't the best way forward, not against a nuclear armed state that uses Gaza like a weapons testing ground.
Right now there are only three other options.

1) International boycotts and support through BDS and the ICC (both of which you try to delegitimize)
2) peace talks (which haven't existed for 2 years and would be pointless with Netanyahu in power, since he promised to never let the two state solution happen)
3) work for equal rights in Apartheid Israel

Since 2) is impossible now with Netanyahu in power, which of BDS/ICC, equal rights or violent resistance do you support in fighting the occupation, which you agree is the problem.
Yes, the occupation is the problem.
 
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