Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

Is this proof enough for you?

The call to jihad:

"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about."


On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."


Anti-Semitic incitement:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."

Those aren't calls for genocide, just for 'jihad' which means resistance.
The last quote implies its religious, but it doesn't call for genocide either.
Where are these from, clearly they are not recent or what Hamas has stated as reasons for Oct 7.

Hamas has committed terrorism, as has Israel.
Just be clear in what you are accusing them of and what evidence you have to back it up.

Proper evidence of genocide or genocidal intent should come with expert reports, like this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733834920487969064

Or evidence in culture like this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1731166285755732084

 

[richaceg]

Those aren't calls for genocide, just for 'jihad' which means resistance.
The last quote implies its religious, but it doesn't call for genocide either.
Where are these from, clearly they are not recent or what Hamas has stated as reasons for Oct 7.

Hamas has committed terrorism, as has Israel.
Just be clear in what you are accusing them of and what evidence you have to back it up.

Proper evidence of genocide or genocidal intent should come with expert reports, like this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733834920487969064

Or evidence in culture like this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1731166285755732084

Destruction of Israel isn't genocide? that's stupid...
You think if Israel doesn't have the defense they have, Hamas won't go further on Oct 7?
Your hate for jews knows no bounds...

 

[Frankfooter]

Destruction of Israel isn't genocide? that's stupid...
You think if Israel doesn't have the defense they have, Hamas won't go further on Oct 7?
Your hate for jews knows no bounds...

Yes, destruction of Israel isn't genocide.
It might be a call for war and taking over the land, but its not a call for genocide.
Be clear, otherwise you're just pushing hate.

I back a ceasefire and equal rights.
The longer the genocide and occupation continues the harder that will be to accomplish.

You, appear to be backing genocide itself.
Accusing others of genocidal intent doesn't justify committing genocide.

 

[richaceg]

Yes, destruction of Israel isn't genocide.
It might be a call for war and taking over the land, but its not a call for genocide.
Be clear, otherwise you're just pushing hate.

I back a ceasefire and equal rights.
The longer the genocide and occupation continues the harder that will be to accomplish.

You, appear to be backing genocide itself.
Accusing others of genocidal intent doesn't justify committing genocide.

So what Israel is doing right now is a call for war and not genocide if we follow your own logic....LOL...what a stupid statement once again...

 

[Frankfooter]

So what Israel is doing right now is a call for war and not genocide if we follow your own logic....LOL...what a stupid statement once again...

No, Israel's intent, as stated by Netanyahu and others, is clearly genocidal.
As is shown in depriving all of Gaza of food, water, power, housing and medical care.
Not to mention killing 10,000 children and dropping the equivalent of two Hiroshimas on a concentration camp.

 

[Klatuu]

Seriously?

Now you are questioning the veracity of a social media post? Ya, you don't get to do that.

In other words, you can’t.

 

[richaceg]

No, Israel's intent, as stated by Netanyahu and others, is clearly genocidal.
As is shown in depriving all of Gaza of food, water, power, housing and medical care.
Not to mention killing 10,000 children and dropping the equivalent of two Hiroshimas on a concentration camp.

No, Israel already gave palestinians a way to evacuate the war zone...that's not genocide....Hamas ordering palestinians to ignore the warnings is genocidal...

 

[Dutch Oven]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734255050640257041

Someone should ask the UN what they do to ensure that the food and water that does arrive is not taken from civilians by Hamas. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that question - nothing.

 

[richaceg]

Someone should ask the UN what they do to ensure that the food and water that does arrive is not taken from civilians by Hamas. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that question - nothing.

there are no Hamas in Gaza...ask Franky...he's been claiming only palestinians are dying and getting captured by IDF....everytime IDF blasts a hamas headquarters, automatically only palestinians are dying...no Hamas....those people that surrendered, not Hamas only palestinians....He's not even a Hamas apologist at this point....just a Hamas fanboy ....

 

[Leimonis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734024183393169573

 

[Butler1000]

In other words, you can’t.

What, question the veracity of social media?

Who are the editors and fact checkers?

 

[Butler1000]

there are no Hamas in Gaza...ask Franky...he's been claiming only palestinians are dying and getting captured by IDF....everytime IDF blasts a hamas headquarters, automatically only palestinians are dying...no Hamas....those people that surrendered, not Hamas only palestinians....He's not even a Hamas apologist at this point....just a Hamas fanboy ....

The actual estimation is about 7000 fighters killed. And more are starting to surrender now.

 

[richaceg]

The actual estimation is about 7000 fighters killed. And more are starting to surrender now.

yes but according to franky, IDF only kills palestinians, it's as if there are no Hamas in Gaza and IDF just shoots everyone they see...

 

[mandrill]

Former Hamas hostages Maya and Itay Regev speak out (msn.com)

 

[mandrill]

I know, you hate him because he's a 'self hating Jew'.
If you prefer, I can stick to human rights organizations but I expect you'll just say the are Hamas supporting, socialist, commie pinko environmentalists or something.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1733899052830302246

I don't hate him. But I posted 3 separate articles, incl his Wiki bio and a Vatnik Soup bio stating that he is a notorious Kremlin-paid disinformation specialist who has posted numerous lies about Putin, Russia, Assad and Syria.

He clearly writes whatever Putin pays him to write. He has a track record of being a paid liar. So it is reasonable to assume that he is lying again on any issue where his information is contested.

This is the problem dealing with you. You cannot rise to an intelligent discussion about any issues connected with this topic. A smart person would admit that Blumenthal is a Kremlin toad and that the rapes and killings took place on 7 October. This stuff is all well proven.

You go on and on about "colonialism" - which is not applicable and simply not that relevant to the discussion.

It's as if you learned a bunch of gibberish and slogans at some far leftie discussion group or protest and you can't get past that.

 

[Butler1000]

The actual estimation is about 7000 fighters killed. And more are starting to surrender now.

If this is the case it puts civilan casualties at about a 2:1 ratio. Extremely low for urban warfare where a 5:1 or higher is to be expected. Or so say experts.

And incredibly low IDF casualties. I think Israel releasing the sexual assault information to the west has created this window now where they can finish the job. Add in the the gas field that I'm betting BP resigns a deal with Israel to develop next year and Gaza is going to come under full Israeli control.

The occupation is probably going to get ugly at times. I wonder whether deals for more refugee placement will occur.

 

[Leimonis]

You go on and on about "colonialism" - which is not applicable and simply not that relevant to the discussion.

It's as if you learned a bunch of gibberish and slogans at some far leftie discussion group or protest and you can't get past that.

I also dont understand how all these pro indigenous anti colonialists don’t surrender their house keys to Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Chippewa or the Haudenosaunee and get the fuck out of Canada?

 

[Klatuu]

What, question the veracity of social media?

Who are the editors and fact checkers?

You still can’t find a quote can you? Your dance is embarrassing.

 

[Dutch Oven]

I also dont understand how all these pro indigenous anti colonialists don’t surrender their house keys to Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishnabeg, the Chippewa or the Haudenosaunee and get the fuck out of Canada?

It would be too difficult to know which nation to surrender the keys to! Almost all of the territory was taken from some other band at some point in time and some is still subject to competing claims.

 

[Leimonis]

It would be too difficult to know which nation to surrender the keys to! Almost all of the territory was taken from some other band at some point in time and some is still subject to competing claims.

Oh okay then I guess we all should be comfortable staying here and enjoying the fruits of colonialism!