Islamic Terrorists

[revolution]

I believe Islamic terrorists are the biggest threat to humanity and the civilized world right now. One can argue that only a small percentage of muslims are actual terrorists, and with that I would agree, because if every muslim was a terrorist we'd have 1.3 billion suicide bombers simultaneously blowing themselves up, and that's clearly not happening.

Unfortunately, however, the majority of muslims appear to support radical Islamists who blow themselves up to kill innocent civilians, or who behead innocent civilians. Just to use a recent example... the majority of Palestinians elected a terrorist organization to govern them, knowing full well the terrorist actions they perpetrate against innocent civilians, knowing full well they openly call for the destruction of another nation, knowing full well that the western world as a whole considers Hamas a terrorist organization... nonetheless, they were elected, showing the will of the majority, the majority supports terrorism, clearly.

The recent events that transpired as a result of the Danish cartoons is completely and utterly disgusting. Burning down embassies, calling for the death of the cartoonist, Danish civilians, and all other Western civilians over some cartoons. In Europe, muslims openly called for a 9/11 against Europe, and called for the destruction of the countries that they reside in. (I don't know why they weren't arrested and tried for treason, but that's another story...) It seems like the every-day 'moderate' muslim is a closet extremist, when pressed about their views regarding terrorism, most seem to justify it, and are clearly terrorist apologists.

So what do you think? What are your thoughts on Islamic terrorism?

 

[DATYdude]

Hmmm

What are YOUR thoughts on the 6 other threads on this topic?

Terrorists suck.

Its terrible to be terrified.

 

[revolution]

What are YOUR thoughts on the 6 other threads on this topic?

Terrorists suck.

Its terrible to be terrified.

Yes it's terrible to be terrified... but it's even more terrible when innocent civilians get blown up or beheaded at the hands of these Islamic terrorists, they're the most uncivilized brutes living in the modern world, and they're clearly stuck in the middle ages. Beheadings haven't been done for how many centuries now?

 

[Colin1]

Rev,

I agree with almost everything you have said, no matter how unjustly one might think one has been mistreated resorting to the actions of the last few days is absolutely mindless.

Being a closet muslim (Father and Grandparents) I can definitly say that it is not the Religion but the Culture of the Arab masses that bring the Religion into disrepute.

However what do we think of State Sponsored Terrorism aka the US invasion of Iraq or the Israli occupation of Paletine and their treatment of the Palestinians.

Please do not think I am against the Jews here, because honestly speaking the Palestinians would be very much better off under the Jews than under Arab leadership. I admire the way the Jews have turned the desert into a Garden.

On the question of Hamas being elected, it is democracy in action, or can we condemn half of the US for being Idiots for electing the present Moron in the Whitehouse.

Maybe we can get a Petition going to bring back Clinton?

 

[revolution]

Rev,

I agree with almost everything you have said, no matter how unjustly one might think one has been mistreated resorting to the actions of the last few days is absolutely mindless.

Being a closet muslim (Father and Grandparents) I can definitly say that it is not the Religion but the Culture of the Arab masses that bring the Religion into disrepute.

However what do we think of State Sponsored Terrorism aka the US invasion of Iraq or the Israli occupation of Paletine and their treatment of the Palestinians.

Please do not think I am against the Jews here, because honestly speaking the Palestinians would be very much better off under the Jews than under Arab leadership. I admire the way the Jews have turned the desert into a Garden.

On the question of Hamas being elected, it is democracy in action, or can we condemn half of the US for being Idiots for electing the present Moron in the Whitehouse.

Maybe we can get a Petition going to bring back Clinton?

I've heard that argument many times from non-arab muslims, who claim that arabs are simply savages, and it's not Islam that causes them to behave like savages, it's the arab culture, and an inherent trait among arabs to behave like that. All muslims say that before Islam was introduced to the arabs they were savages, animals etc. and Islam calmed them down and made them peaceful and went against their arrogance and pride.

However, I disagree with that argument and here's why. Who were the suicide bombers in the London terrorist attacks? They were Pakistanis. The violence in Islam, including terrorism , has spread beyond the arab world into the entire Islamic world. Another example...how come Christian Arabs never commit such atrocities? How come they don't behead people, or blow themselves up to kill innocent civilians? There are many Palestinian Christians, yet there has never been ANY terrorist act committed by them against the Israelis.

So essentially what I'm trying to say is that it's not arabs that are that the problem, it is the religion they created, Islam, which causes them to act this way. If it wasn't for Islam and the violent scripture in the koran, there would be no suicide bombings, because they wouldn't believe they'd be rewarded with 72 virgins if they blow up innocent civilians. Islam and the koran are the catalysts, not the arabs.

 

[Cinema Face]

I agree with revolution. It’s not Arab culture that makes them intolerant, blood-thirty lunatics. It’s Islam. All the Islamic writings say that the Arabs were savages before Islam but that’s wrong. Islam just wants to justify itself by saying it was worse before. Like I said in another post, there is no evidence that Arabs invaded anyone in all there recorded history until Mohammad and Islam took over. Then, they went on a bloody rampage and conquered all the land from Spain to Indonesia in the first 100 years of Islam. .

 

[maxweber]

big picture

I believe Islamic terrorists are the biggest threat to humanity and the civilized world right now. . . .

Perhaps. But the United States utterly reckless foreign policy could scarcely better designed to give them aid and comfort. "Ordinary" Muslims are not the only people who might feel, entirely legitimately, that they have far more to fear from shrub than from Osama.

Unfortunately, however, the majority of muslims appear to support radical Islamists who blow themselves up to kill innocent civilians, or who behead innocent civilians.

And, once more, you and the rest of the Coulterites and dittoheads don't know the first thing about "the majority of Muslims."

Just to use a recent example... the majority of Palestinians elected a terrorist organization to govern them, knowing full well the terrorist actions they perpetrate against innocent civilians, knowing full well they openly call for the destruction of another nation, knowing full well that the western world as a whole considers Hamas a terrorist organization... nonetheless, they were elected, showing the will of the majority, the majority supports terrorism, clearly.

Complete horseshit. When the first American government was elected, every single member had participated in the revolutionary war against the UK. Would you care to parse for us the difference between "revolutionary" and "terrorist"? More a propos still, the Israeli governments in the decades after 1948 contained numerous members of the Stern Gang, and other terrorist organizations. Was this acceptance a de facto support of terrorism?
I say it was not. And I say that the election of Hamas could mean anything from exasperation with the ineptitude and crookedness of Fatah, to sufficient anger at Israel that the voting public wanted to tell them "we are fed up!" I wouldn't even put "support for terrorism" on the list of reasons for the Hamas vote, any more than I would for IRA voters in Ireland.

In Europe, muslims openly called for a 9/11 against Europe, and called for the destruction of the countries that they reside in.

Got a link for this? And what do you mean by "muslims" a few? a few hundred? what?

It seems like the every-day 'moderate' muslim is a closet extremist, when pressed about their views regarding terrorism, most seem to justify it, and are clearly terrorist apologists.

If "clearly" can include not the l;east shred of proof, evidence, or fairness--and the acceptance of dishonest and biased news sources, sure. If not, then you're absolutely and despicably full of shit.

MW

 

[zanner69]

Unfortunately, however, the majority of muslims appear to support radical Islamists who blow themselves up to kill innocent civilians, or who behead innocent civilians.

I would have to disagree with you here.

Most of what we see on the news is the uneducated and lower class muslims marching down the streets and protesting. These people have only been taught and exposed to one side of the story. Picture yourself living in that area and not being exposed to critical thinking and discussing the things that we are all discussing on here - you would probably think the way that they do.

There are more good muslims than bad - so your comment about the majority of muslims appear to support radical Islamists is off base.

 

[wumpscut]

Max, let see if you can figure out the difference. US revolution had them fight the British Army to win thier independance, Muslim terrorist are happy to kill non military personell, women and children are fair game.... are you trying to tell me that blowing Danish people because someone in thier home country published some offensive cartoons is OK? Anyone thinks it's all right to kill another human being based on a cartoon is a terrorist right? YES OR NO!!!! Show me your colors MAX.

 

[arclighter]

And, once more, you and the rest of the Coulterites and dittoheads don't know the first thing about "the majority of Muslims." Complete horseshit.

And you do? Apologizing for them doesn't make you an expert.

When the first American government was elected, every single member had participated in the revolutionary war against the UK. Would you care to parse for us the difference between "revolutionary" and "terrorist"?

Sure, terrorists target civilians, the Minutemen targeted soldiers. That makes them soldiers, not terrorists.

Got a link for this? And what do you mean by "muslims" a few? a few hundred? what?
If "clearly" can include not the l;east shred of proof, evidence, or fairness--and the acceptance of dishonest and biased news sources, sure. If not, then you're absolutely and despicably full of shit.

And where are your links to support your postitions? Or are you "absolutely and despicably full of shit".

MW, I am afraid I must give your response a full MORON ALERT!

 

[slowpoke]

....Unfortunately, however, the majority of muslims appear to support radical Islamists who blow themselves up to kill innocent civilians, or who behead innocent civilians. Just to use a recent example... the majority of Palestinians elected a terrorist organization to govern them, knowing full well the terrorist actions they perpetrate against innocent civilians, knowing full well they openly call for the destruction of another nation, knowing full well that the western world as a whole considers Hamas a terrorist organization... nonetheless, they were elected, showing the will of the majority, the majority supports terrorism, clearly....

First of all, the Palestinians are not anywhere near the majority of Muslims so it is pointless to use the recent elections in Palestine as an indicator of anything other than the local situation. Secondly, the Palestinians didn't seem to have many viable options. The ruling Fatah party has repeatedly proven itself to be an extremely inept and corrupt organization. So it is just a bit unfair to pretend that the elections in Palestine represent a clear victory for Islamic terrorists over a moderate alternative. The only alternative was incompetence and corruption.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&sect...d=6&m=2&y=2006

And, IMHO, Hamas campaigned effectively by showing the Palestinians an uncharacteristically moderate face. Suicide bombings were nowhere to be found in their election platform. It is almost as if the political wing of Hamas managed to dissociate itself from its terrorist wing, much like Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA. Sinn Fein got votes from people who didn't want IRA violence. Just strong negotiators and responsible government.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle/ShowFull

..."Haaretz reported that Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer "said formation of a Hamas government would not necessarily mean a return to violence, noting the group has largely honored a cease-fire over the past year. If the situation remains calm, he said, economic relations... could continue."

I hope this attitude spreads fast in Israel, as well as in the US and Europe, because if the democratic world actually follows through on its hysterical threats against Hamas, I'm afraid it's going to turn a bad but tolerable situation into something like a disaster, and not just a humanitarian one.

Do people really not understand that punishing the Palestinians for voting for Hamas - after the US and Europe demanded that the election be held - is going to send Hamas's popularity shooting through the roof?

That it's going to fuel Palestinian rage, and understandably so, against the West for trying to force them into re-electing the now-despised Fatah mafia?

That it's going to make laughable hypocrites out of the Bush administration and all the other Judeo-Christian soldiers for Middle East democracy?"...

 

[maxweber]

DUUUH!, "partiot"-style

Max, let see if you can figure out the difference. US revolution had them fight the British Army to win thier independance, Muslim terrorist are happy to kill non military personell, women and children are fair game.... are you trying to tell me that blowing Danish people because someone in thier home country published some offensive cartoons is OK? Anyone thinks it's all right to kill another human being based on a cartoon is a terrorist right? YES OR NO!!!! Show me your colors MAX.

No matter how much I "show you my colours," you're just plain too stupid to understand them. Go look up the history of the revolutionary war--and kiss my ass.

MW

 

[maxweber]

hallelujah!

First of all, the Palestinians are not anywhere near the majority of Muslims so it is pointless to use the recent elections in Palestine as an indicator of anything other than the local situation. Secondly...

Beautifully said, beautifully reasoned. Gawd, it's so bloody nice to see some rationality around here, for a change. Even with the heaviest knuckle-draggers screened out, this is a veritable romper room of idiotic opinion sometimes..

MW

 

[arclighter]

No matter how much I "show you my colours," you're just plain too stupid to understand them. Go look up the history of the revolutionary war--and kiss my ass.

MW

The old, "my position is indefensible, so I will ask you to look it up for yourself” trick. Nice.

 

[red]

Sure, terrorists target civilians, the Minutemen targeted soldiers. That makes them soldiers, not terrorists.


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so the guy who killed the US medic in afghanistan was a soldier after all.

 

[A-ROD]

--and kiss my ass.
MW

For this there is but one response "Move Your Nose"

 

[arclighter]

so the guy who killed the US medic in afghanistan was a soldier after all.

I don't know, was he wearing a uniform when he killed the medic? Soldiers are required to wear uniforms.

"Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers who fight out of uniform or commit atrocities such as, murder prisoners or target and kill noncombatants may be shot by firing squads."

 

[maxweber]

1,001 jokes for all occasions

For this there is but one response "Move Your Nose"

Oh, the wit and wisdom of the right; at least that's half right. What sure-fire jokebook did you find that gem in?

MW

 

[red]

I don't know, was he wearing a uniform when he killed the medic? Soldiers are required to wear uniforms.

"Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers who fight out of uniform or commit atrocities such as, murder prisoners or target and kill noncombatants may be shot by firing squads."

all the minutemen had uniforms?

 

[arclighter]

all the minutemen had uniforms?

You might not know this, but the American Revolution predates the Geneva Conventions. On the other hand, Americans out of uniform and not with army units should have been treated as spies by the British (and I am sure they were).