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Danielle Smith tells U.S. podcast she asked Trump administration to pause tariffs to bolster Conservatives
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In the interview with Breitbart, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith did not specify to whom in the Trump administration she made her remarks, or what response she received.Darren Calabrese/The Canadian Press
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Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says she asked the Trump administration to pause its tariff actions until after the Canadian federal election in hopes of seeing a win by Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives.
The Premier made her comments in an interview with Breitbart News Saturday on March 8. They resurfaced on the weekend, with the official kickoff of the campaign on Sunday.
“Because of what we see as unjust and unfair tariffs, it’s actually caused an increase in support for the Liberals,” Ms. Smith told Breitbart News Washington bureau chief Matthew Boyle.
“So that’s what I fear. The longer this dispute goes on, politicians posture, and it seems to be benefiting the Liberals right now. I would hope that we could put things on pause, is what I’ve told administration officials.”
Ms. Smith did not specify to whom in the administration she made her remarks, or what response she received.
Her comments drew criticism that she was issuing an invitation to meddle in the electoral process.
Naheed Nenshi, Leader of Alberta’s New Democrats, accused Ms. Smith of being happier to placate U.S. President Donald Trump than to work with Canadians.
“Calling for a pause on tariffs to politically benefit one party or another isn’t the right approach,” Mr. Nenshi said in a statement. “But standing firm for Canada is.”
Pierre Poilievre kicks off Conservative election campaign under shadow of Trump’s trade war
Sam Blackett, press secretary to Ms. Smith, said any suggestion that the Premier is asking the U.S. to interfere in Canada’s election is “offensive and false.”
Ms. Smith said in a statement that she has been working to convince U.S. officials at all levels of just how damaging the threatened tariffs would be to both Canadians and Americans. This has included asking those same officials to refrain from placing tariffs on Canadian goods until a proper renegotiation of the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement can be held after the election, with a Prime Minister who has won a mandate from Canadians, she said.

“Now that an election has been called, I would reiterate my hope that the U.S. would refrain from placing tariffs on their closest ally and largest trading partner during the middle of the election,” she said.
Mr. Poilievre did not directly answer a question from The Globe and Mail about the appropriateness of Ms. Smith’s comments. Instead, he said there is good reason why Mr. Trump said it would be easier to deal with Canada if the Liberals formed the next government: because Liberals have weakened the country.
Liberal Leader Mark Carney said it will be up to voters to decide whether they want a unified government standing up for Canada or one that wants “division and Americanism,” which he said is what Mr. Poilievre seems to be offering, and Ms. Smith is endorsing.
In another part of the interview, the Premier suggested that Mr. Poilievre’s policies would most closely align with Mr. Trump’s.
“Pierre believes in development. He believes in low-cost energy. He believes that we need to have low taxes, doesn’t believe in any of the woke stuff that we’ve seen taking over our politics for the last five years,” Ms. Smith said.
“There’s probably still always going to be areas that are skirmishes or disputes about particular industries when it comes to the border, but I would say, on balance, the perspective that Pierre would bring would be very much in sync with, I think, the new direction in America. I think we’d have a really great relationship for the period of time they’re both in.”
 
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Danielle Smith doesn't know when to keep her mouth shut. The King of Kings only has eyes for Putin. She just handed Carney a cudgel.

 
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Poilievre's problem is that rather than embracing and promising a true alternative for Canada's future, he followed in the footsteps of the two losers who proceeded him by being a milquetoast shitlib. Which worked great while Trudeau was around but now that's he's gone he left his right flank wide open and gee wiz wouldn't you know, guess what Carney did the instant he won the liberal leadership. It's a shame Carney didn't run for a seat in Poilievre's riding, would have been the ultimate insult to have unseated the leader of the conservative opposition by at least superficially embracing more centrist policies while campaigning.
 

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Poilievre's problem is that rather than embracing and promising a true alternative for Canada's future, he followed in the footsteps of the two losers who proceeded him by being a milquetoast shitlib. Which worked great while Trudeau was around but now that's he's gone he left his right flank wide open and gee wiz wouldn't you know, guess what Carney did the instant he won the liberal leadership. It's a shame Carney didn't run for a seat in Poilievre's riding, would have been the ultimate insult to have unseated the leader of the conservative opposition by at least superficially embracing more centrist policies while campaigning.
Like we were discussing in another thread, Pierre's advisors are awful!!
 
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Poilievre's problem is that rather than embracing and promising a true alternative for Canada's future, he followed in the footsteps of the two losers who proceeded him by being a milquetoast shitlib. Which worked great while Trudeau was around but now that's he's gone he left his right flank wide open and gee wiz wouldn't you know, guess what Carney did the instant he won the liberal leadership. It's a shame Carney didn't run for a seat in Poilievre's riding, would have been the ultimate insult to have unseated the leader of the conservative opposition by at least superficially embracing more centrist policies while campaigning.
Disagree

Even when the Conservatives had a huge lead, Poilievre's approval ratings were still low. Meaning many voters were just holding out for a Trudeau replacement.

There is nothing he can do about that. We have roughly 50% of the population that will vote liberal, until they mess the system up so bad they have no choice to vote Conservative.

Even Carney has to pivot away from policies he's backed and supported.

And if Carney wants to test Poilievre in his riding, he's more than welcome to.
 
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Disagree

Even when the Conservatives had a huge lead, Poilievre's approval ratings were still low. Meaning many voters were just holding out for a Trudeau replacement.

There is nothing he can do about that. We have roughly 50% of the population that will vote liberal until they fuck the system so bad, you half to vote Conservative.

Even Carney has to pivot away from policies he's backed and supported.

And if Carney wants to test Poilievre in his riding, he's more than welcome to.
I'm always incredulous about polls, especially where approval/disapproval is being measured, this highlights a big reason why. They'll break down all the numbers they've generated but never tell you why people feel that way. Is it really that implausible to assume that the reason Poilievre doesn't have strong favorability among those polled is because he is a watered down liberal? I'm not so sure that's the case.

I'm also extremely incredulous that the Liberals have made this miraculous turnaround and are headed for a majority. Especially when considering the guy who has replaced Trudeau has the same political operatives responsible for Trudeau's rise backing him (I'm speaking specifically about Katie Telford and Gerry Butts), a former Trudeau cabinet minister as his chief of staff in Marco Mendocino, named a temporary cabinet that is composed largely of former Trudeau cabinet ministers and has a long history of supporting all the same stupid shit that Trudeau did.

Either way I'm at the point where I truely believe that there's no good party to vote for anywhere in Canadian politics. For the first time since I've been able to vote I'm likely going to sit this one out. I refuse to pick between Curly, Larry and Moe
 
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I'm always incredulous about polls, especially where approval/disapproval is being measured, this highlights a big reason why. They'll break down all the numbers they've generated but never tell you why people feel that way. Is it really that implausible to assume that the reason Poilievre doesn't have strong favorability among those polled is because he is a watered down liberal? I'm not so sure that's the case.

I'm also extremely incredulous that the Liberals have made this miraculous turnaround and are headed for a majority. Especially when considering the guy who has replaced Trudeau has the same political operatives responsible for Trudeau's rise backing him (I'm speaking specifically about Katie Telford and Gerry Butts), a former Trudeau cabinet minister as his chief of staff in Marco Mendocino, named a temporary cabinet that is composed largely of former Trudeau cabinet ministers and has a long history of supporting all the same stupid shit that Trudeau did.

Either way I'm at the point where I truely believe that there's no good party to vote for anywhere in Canadian politics. For the first time since I've been able to vote I'm likely going to sit this one out. I refuse to pick between Curly, Larry and Moe
I agree. These polls have no details and are highly erratic. Myself, I've decide to wait after the debates to gauge what I think will happen. Polling right now seems more like a popularity contest and that's not what they are for or how elections are won. In American polling, they have much more insight and breakdowns of who what when where and why. Perhaps American's take voting more serious or they have more funding.

They even have Jagmeet Singh projected to lose his seat or something close to that. As funny as that would be, how real is that?
 

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As has been acknowledged even by righties on this board, PP has been an MP for 21 years and accomplished nothing.

He managed to maintain a polling lead by being "not Trudeau". Now that there is an alternative (who is quite a bit right of Trudeau) who is not Trudeau, PP has nothing to run on.

2nd: the Fuck Flag Brigade really are minority. Them and the religious nuts are probably 30% at best. Centre-conservatives can see what is happening in the US, and don't want it, so they're breaking for the libs. Lefties can see what is happening in the US, and don't want it, so they're breaking for the Libs, because centre is better than right. Fiscal conservatives have a central banker to vote for over a crypto bro, so they're breaking for the libs.

Danielle smith is too high on her own supply to realize the damage she is doing to PP, and even the establishment knives are out for PP now:

 

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Mitchy from Buffalo, PP could learn something from the actor who inspired The Joker.

He's been told by his staff to smile more. The problem is, when he does so he gives a creepy Conrad Veidt vibe.

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Conrad Veidt made Bob Kane (creator of Batman comics) rich.
 
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I agree. These polls have no details and are highly erratic. Myself, I've decide to wait after the debates to gauge what I think will happen. Polling right now seems more like a popularity contest and that's not what they are for or how elections are won. In American polling, they have much more insight and breakdowns of who what when where and why. Perhaps American's take voting more serious or they have more funding.

They even have Jagmeet Singh projected to lose his seat or something close to that. As funny as that would be, how real is that?
Singh I could absolutely see loosing his seat. He's been an unmitigated disaster for the NDP. I know a fair number of union members who would sooner jump feet first into a wood chipper than vote NDP. Last I saw the boys all of them said they were voting CPC but that was well before Carney came into the picture
 
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I'm always incredulous about polls, especially where approval/disapproval is being measured, this highlights a big reason why. They'll break down all the numbers they've generated but never tell you why people feel that way. Is it really that implausible to assume that the reason Poilievre doesn't have strong favorability among those polled is because he is a watered down liberal? I'm not so sure that's the case.

I'm also extremely incredulous that the Liberals have made this miraculous turnaround and are headed for a majority. Especially when considering the guy who has replaced Trudeau has the same political operatives responsible for Trudeau's rise backing him (I'm speaking specifically about Katie Telford and Gerry Butts), a former Trudeau cabinet minister as his chief of staff in Marco Mendocino, named a temporary cabinet that is composed largely of former Trudeau cabinet ministers and has a long history of supporting all the same stupid shit that Trudeau did.

Either way I'm at the point where I truely believe that there's no good party to vote for anywhere in Canadian politics. For the first time since I've been able to vote I'm likely going to sit this one out. I refuse to pick between Curly, Larry and Moe

Your observations are consistent with our shallow celebrity culture.

People are voting for who they find most likable.
 

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Your observations are consistent with our shallow celebrity culture.

People are voting for who they find most likable.
The real issue is that people are voting for the pm. They should be more focused on getting the right candidate for their riding, but the average canadian voter doesn't understand parliament.
 
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