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Damondean

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The guy died and it's a tragedy. But does it warrant shutting down half the city, thousands of cops from all over and speeches by Fantino and others?

Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.

It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
 

rld

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The guy died and it's a tragedy. But does it warrant shutting down half the city, thousands of cops from all over and speeches by Fantino and others?

Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.

It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
My recollection is that similar ceremonies are held for police officers who fall in the line of duty so I would be surprised if it was related to the current political environment.

But I would not argue with you that we could do more to honour those who have fallen in A-stan.
 

thompo69

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The guy died and it's a tragedy. But does it warrant shutting down half the city, thousands of cops from all over and speeches by Fantino and others?

Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.

It looks like a giant effort to take spotlight off the G20 excesses and save Blair's job.
No. It's pretty standard for a police funeral.
 

needinit

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Obviously you never wish anyone would die in the line of duty or doing their job...but there are many workplace accidents that are just as tragic (not discrediting the loss to the family or anything).

Are the Police attending doing so on paid time - I saw a report yesterday on 5 police flying in from Calagry for this funeral - maybe one or two from other provinces, but it does seem like overload to me.

Who pays for all of this wages, hotels and airflights - I am assuming the cops are not doing it on their own time? Surely they are also not clocking hours when they are at the funeral itself?

Anyone with more insight into how this is funded please let me know.
 

black booty lover

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It's funny because I was thinking the same thing. Yes it's tragic, but why is it more tragic then the guys who parish due to their scaffold falling?
 

Aardvark154

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Young men die in Afghaniustan almost weekly and no equiivalent fuss is made.
Perhaps not in Toronto, I'm not at all sure that this is true in smaller towns or in base communities.

Then too look at the Highway of Heroes phenomenon.
 

Aardvark154

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there are many workplace accidents that are just as tragic.
To the best of my knowledge Iron Workers etc. . . . have an absolute right to say this is just too dangerous - go ahead and fire me, but I'm not doing this.

On the other hand, do you think there might be some criminal and civil liability if a Police Constable said the same thing and a third party died or was seriously injured?
 

Sal1979

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It's ridiculous actually....yes most of them are on PAID time for both the viewing and the funeral. I used to date a cop who was a CO for Niagara Police Dept and we have spoken about this in the past with other fallen officers. This is a huge expense to tax payers as always. Same as "Suspended With Pay" for many charges laid throughout the year that is unheard of in the media. Over time, time and a half, etc etc, plus they have all sorts of extra's that you would not believe possible! The hotels are paid for through budget expenses, car rentals, & food to name a few. The higher up in ranking you are, the more they spend and cost us, yet every year they ask for more and we keep getting less for service!

This officer did pay the ultimate price, which is what they do to protect and serve.....however what was he thinking? This whole parade is a HUGE waste of money. Toronto Police Services are like the Toronto Maple Leafs, highest paid in the country per officer including benefits yet the least respected force in North America. Recent poll shows 93% of Toronto residence have no faith or trust in the force, hence all the crime with guns and gangs, and no results for those communities affected by it!

Just my 2 cents
 

HOF

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CP24 Sue Scambati reports there are 12,000 Police Officers in attendance.
 

rld

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It's ridiculous actually....yes most of them are on PAID time for both the viewing and the funeral. I used to date a cop who was a CO for Niagara Police Dept and we have spoken about this in the past with other fallen officers. This is a huge expense to tax payers as always. Same as "Suspended With Pay" for many charges laid throughout the year that is unheard of in the media. Over time, time and a half, etc etc, plus they have all sorts of extra's that you would not believe possible! The hotels are paid for through budget expenses, car rentals, & food to name a few. The higher up in ranking you are, the more they spend and cost us, yet every year they ask for more and we keep getting less for service!

This officer did pay the ultimate price, which is what they do to protect and serve.....however what was he thinking? This whole parade is a HUGE waste of money. Toronto Police Services are like the Toronto Maple Leafs, highest paid in the country per officer including benefits yet the least respected force in North America. Recent poll shows 93% of Toronto residence have no faith or trust in the force, hence all the crime with guns and gangs, and no results for those communities affected by it!

Just my 2 cents
93%...really?

Least respected force in NA...seriously?
 

T-boy

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I'm glad Ontario is a safe enough place that we can afford to have 12,000 police off the streets at this very second!

Anyone wanna rob a bank right now?! There's no police to catch us! :p
 

Questor

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Obviously you never wish anyone would die in the line of duty or doing their job...but there are many workplace accidents that are just as tragic (not discrediting the loss to the family or anything).

Are the Police attending doing so on paid time - I saw a report yesterday on 5 police flying in from Calagry for this funeral - maybe one or two from other provinces, but it does seem like overload to me.

Who pays for all of this wages, hotels and airflights - I am assuming the cops are not doing it on their own time? Surely they are also not clocking hours when they are at the funeral itself?

Anyone with more insight into how this is funded please let me know.
Interesting.

Yes, it is tragic. Yes, special consideration should be given considering that he lost his life protecting life and property. Yes, it seems a little over the top to me. I wonder what the budget for TPS is for this.
 

GPIDEAL

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This may sound like a bigger deal, but I think it's been 10 years since the last police officer was killed in the line of duty NOT as a result of a traffic accident but due to a crime.

Bigger than what they do for our armed forces? Not necessarily. As 4Tees said, they renamed that section of the 401 in honour of our war dead, and have a long procession, not to mention ceremonies back at Kandahar.

(We shouldn't bring up the G20 as it is totally irrelevant).
 

Sal1979

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That is not true.
Really? So the Union President, Press Secretary, Minister of Social Services, Police Cheifs from different municipalities, Commanding Officers, Sergents, Acting Sargent etc etc etc communte to this event, it is at their own expense? Nevermind the several people behind the scenes to ensure their safe passage thru the city, accomidations, vehicle rentals or the units/platoon own vehicles. Who pays for the gas, the mileage, the drivers, the insurance of the vehicle, the hotels. Think about it before, does the Cheif do all this himself and his side kicks....NO.

My statment above is actual knowledge from dating a cop for over 2 years, and I still can't get over all the "previllages" they have! You would be amazed!
 

HOF

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CP24 Sue Scambati reports there are 12,000 Police Officers in attendance.
 

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I don't see soldiers on your list and have no idea what the point you are trying to make is.
 
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