Is Santa Racist?

Can we at least leave Christmas alone?

Black Pete is a Dutch tradition.

Next people will find something wrong with Santa using elves (little people) to make toys with no pay (slavery) and how inhumane it is for reindeer to pull a sleigh??
 
Yet another thing I love about the Dutch. Every year, they have Zwarte Piet at all the celebrations, every year there are protests, and every year they continue to give zero fucks and do it anyway. It’s a tradition, people like doing it, so fuck it, we’re gonna keep doing it!
 
If anybody actually read the Wikipedia article on the history of the practice. It is to represent a character that dates back to a time long before the mass Slavery of Africans. And is woven into the very fabric of Norse Mythology in a very complex way, that probably shouldn't be judged by those who do not possess an understanding of the culture and it's history.

Suffice it to say, its cultural significance and history seems not to tie into the sociopolitical struggles of African Americans, nor does it seem to comment on their societal standing.

As such, it should not be attached to the same baggage as exists for the practice of Blackface in North America.
 
This is the problem with culture and race +religion.

People like to divide, group and segregate and feel a part of the community especially if they are born at a certain place or look alike.

This means we are all part of the problem including myself, who support this.

Solution is simple but people wont like it. I guess we need to complain and project our own faults and blame others for the shit happing all around us. Its easy, nobody gives a shit about actually projecting solutions lol
 
Uncharted said:
If anybody actually read the Wikipedia article on the history of the practice. It is to represent a character that dates back to a time long before the mass Slavery of Africans. And is woven into the very fabric of Norse Mythology in a very complex way, that probably shouldn't be judged by those who do not possess an understanding of the culture and it's history.

Suffice it to say, its cultural significance and history seems not to tie into the sociopolitical struggles of African Americans, nor does it seem to comment on their societal standing.

As such, it should not be attached to the same baggage as exists for the practice of Blackface in North America.
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Exactly. First off, Zwarte Piet, in his contemporary form, is meant to be Moorish. Historically, however, the character seems to have been derived from Odin’s raven helpers (hence why his skin is black).

Context is important. Within the character’s historical context, there’s really no racial connotations. He’s a man representing a bird with black feathers. You can’t just universally condem things regardless of context. Something that’s offensive and inappropriate in most situations may be perfectly fine, depending on the context. Please quit being reactionary idiots and try to learn about the things you’re complaining about.
 
Like any creation of characters, The race is the same as the creator. Jesus being white, Santa being white, superman being white, black panther being black... I can go on. All of them are fiction Characters created by human representing their own race.
 
Micber said:
Like any creation of characters, The race is the same as the creator. Jesus being white, Santa being white, superman being white, black panther being black... I can go on. All of them are fiction Characters created by human representing their own race.
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Jesus wasn't really white.

He was most likely very Assyrian looking with dark eyes, dark hair and a very Arabic complexion.
 
Of course Santa is racist. He's white, after all. And he leaves coal for the naughty children which is black- the color of the oppressed.
 
Whether he is racist or not is debatable. But he is undoubtedly a bit of a dick. Eg: Rudolph - Santa was OK with the bullying and only warmed up to Rudolph when he needed him for his own purposes. Not a great example of character.

And there's this:

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Plus, he hangs out with elves and keeps list of kid's names in a big book with notes about whether they are "naughty". So he might even be a pedo.
 
A lot of deniers in here that can't handle the truth. lol

A lot of false info and half truth being mentioned to cover this up.

Racism and oppression is deeply rooting in many of your practices, but you want everyone to accept it.
 
curr3n_c1000 said:
A lot of deniers in here that can't handle the truth. lol

A lot of false info and half truth being mentioned to cover this up.

Racism and oppression is deeply rooting in many of your practices, but you want everyone to accept it.
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While I'm sitting here enjoying my Tim Horton "dark roast" coffee, I can't agree with more in what you've just expressed.
 
My Santa isn’t racist. You can have a racist Santa if you want, it’s your fantasy.
 
Is it Hispanophobic that both Sint-Nicolaas (Sinterklaas) and Zwarte Piet arrive from and return to Spain?
 
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