Is running an incall operation illegal?

[Rockslinger]

Other than the high traffic of horny men

I have had more than my fair share of "high traffic" civilian neigbours . I read an article a while back about the escort business and they interviewed a hotel manager and he said escorts make excellent guests. Quiet and they don't trash the room and or do drugs (at least not while they are in the hotel). He said the worst guests are families with young teenagers.

 

[CUPID]

My Uncle lives in a nice part of London, England. In the 1980's his neighbours house was turned into an incall and was filled with escorts from Eastern Europe. Over the year that they were living there my Uncle had his life threatened, his property vandalized and his property value dropped. There was when a drunk client got upset and tried to drive his car into the incall once, majorly destroying both properties, luckily no one was hurt other then the driver. What finally got the place shut down was a fire in the kitchen where the escort's children were staying. 3 children died. The property was finally shut down as an incall and was sold.

 

[oldjones]

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You're making an assumption here my good man. The condos would be rented to the ladies the same as a hotel room. No one is running a brothel.

What happens in any room between two consenting adults is not against the law.

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But if what customarily happens in the place is an exchange of sex for money, the only question is how far the bawdy-house net stretches.

The condo board's likely safe, the renter to the ladies, maybe not so safe—just like the guy on the hotel desk, renting by the hour to girls he knows by name—and for sure the girls operating the service, or anyone working with them would at least be arrestable.

Your "what happens in a room is over-broad, and completely ignores the essence of the bawdy-house definition: that it's not one, but repeated acts of prostitution. The prostitution, any and all of it is legal, the place is not. Quite simple if you think of it this way: Whores and whoring are legal; whorehouses are not.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Only if you get caught...

Seems like its more who you are

Why is it a person many get her house taken and deported while others can freely operate, run internet ads...thinking a few big companies...for year after year? This in the same city (Toronto).

 

[oldjones]

Do you actually believe life is fair? Because I have this bridge I'm trying to sell…

Skill may also enterinto it, before we get to who you know, and how much they value your friendship.

 

[spankingman]

You could be chargwed with "Living off of the avails of prostitition."

 

[pjoe43]

it is called a 'common bawdy house' look it up

This really says it all.
If you are well connected they may let it slide for some time.
You never know when you may get raided by some pol who wants to score some points with the voters.

 

[Aardvark154]

My Uncle lives in a nice part of London, England. In the 1980's his neighbours house was turned into an incall and was filled with escorts from Eastern Europe. Over the year that they were living there my Uncle had his life threatened, his property vandalized and his property value dropped. There was when a drunk client got upset and tried to drive his car into the incall once, majorly destroying both properties, luckily no one was hurt other then the driver. What finally got the place shut down was a fire in the kitchen where the escort's children were staying. 3 children died. The property was finally shut down as an incall and was sold.

Good Lord, how horrific!

 

[Rockslinger]

Here are the results of some surveys:

1) 99% of respondents said they rather live next door to a propane dump than an incall.
2) 98% of respondents said they rather live next door to a garbage dump than an incall.
3) 97% of respondents said they rather live next door to a smelly, noisy, toxic spewing garage than an incall.
4) 96% of respondents said they would rather live next door to an insane ax murderer than an incall.
5) 95% of respondents said they rather live next door to someone with 10 attack pit bulls than an incall.

Just kidding!

 

[tboy]

Here are the results of some surveys:

1) 99% of respondents said they rather live next door to a propane dump than an incall.
2) 98% of respondents said they rather live next door to a garbage dump than an incall.
3) 97% of respondents said they rather live next door to a smelly, noisy, toxic spewing garage than an incall.
4) 96% of respondents said they would rather live next door to an insane ax murderer than an incall.
5) 95% of respondents said they rather live next door to someone with 10 attack pit bulls than an incall.

Just kidding!

seriously though, think about it. How handy would it be to have an incall next door? Ah you get home from work, feel like a little humina humina, walk next door to see whose on, baboom, you're good lol.

 

[Rockslinger]

seriously though, think about it. How handy would it be to have an incall next door? Ah you get home from work, feel like a little humina humina, walk next door to see whose on, baboom,

I know what you mean but I lived across the street from an elementary school once. 10,000 screaming kids during recess, lunch and after school (also the parent's cars picking them up gumming up traffic). One time they started to bang on those metal garbage cans. Drove me nuts! Give me an incall across the street anytime.

 

[saliksalik]

Perhaps the question is HOW illegal is it to run an incall operation.

Anybody here think about starting their own incall?

By whatever I have read TERB and elsewhere on prostitution laws in Canada, it is highly likely very illegal.
That is why the agencies take all the precautions and keep changing their locations whether hotels or residences.
That is also why clients get very nervous when they have to go through concierges, security, or back doors.
That is the risk we take when we go to Incalls. Do we have a choice in case of Incalls, definitely not.
Cheers

 

[saliksalik]

True, the political winds may shift. If Harper wins a majority or if the Taliban take over, then they will make all forms of sex illegal. In the case of the Taliban, they will probably march all of us down to Dundas Square and give us 50 lashes or worst.

In the case of Taliban, you will be stoned to death if you were married, both you and the SP. You will be lashed only if you were not married. They may behead you if they had mercy.

To see what stoning to death entails, watch the brilliant movie, The Queen and I, about Iran's deposed empress Farah Deeba, running at Bloor, and Empress Walk.

In the case of Harper, I would assume that you will be deprived of receiving or giving head ;-)
Cheers.

 

[toughb]

You're wrong toughb, if the man pays the woman for sex, and it is HER room, residence, or she has paid for the location in any way, that is illegal (aka incall).

She could be charged with "keeping a common bawdy house" and the customer could be charged with being a "found in".

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Based on that logic every hotel in the world is operating, in one form or another, a body house...Sure...

 

[sibannac]

My Uncle lives in a nice part of London, England. In the 1980's his neighbours house was turned into an incall and was filled with escorts from Eastern Europe. Over the year that they were living there my Uncle had his life threatened, his property vandalized and his property value dropped. There was when a drunk client got upset and tried to drive his car into the incall once, majorly destroying both properties, luckily no one was hurt other then the driver. What finally got the place shut down was a fire in the kitchen where the escort's children were staying. 3 children died. The property was finally shut down as an incall and was sold.

Is this your way of saying "Outcall good, Incall bad"

 

[Aardvark154]

This thread has one of those lives of its own. . . Perhaps if we keep it going on enough we'll get the answer we want.

Thus far at least four lawyers have stated that it is illegal. What more do TERBites want?

 

[tboy]

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Based on that logic every hotel in the world is operating, in one form or another, a body house...Sure...

Yup, that may be so. But it is only a bawdy house if the lady rents the room. It is perfectly legal if the customer (typically male) rents the room. It has something to do with that room being his temporary residence.

 

[fuji]

When the customer rents the room it is harder to prove that it's being kept "for the purpose" of prostitution but technically still illegal.

About the only way you could get nailed as a customer is if you read on terb that it was "perfectly legal" and bragged to the cops that you had rented a room for the purpose of prostitution--then they'd have your confession to use against you. Otherwise there's a reasonable doubt that your intended purpose was to sleep there and only incidentally called a prostitute, even if you never did manage to get that sleep.

 

[LordLoki]

Yup, that may be so. But it is only a bawdy house if the lady rents the room. It is perfectly legal if the customer (typically male) rents the room. It has something to do with that room being his temporary residence.

My understanding is that it does not matter who rents it. One transaction does not create a bawdy house. More than one transaction does. So guy rents, guy leaves girl there, she has a few more clients in…. guess what we have A bawdy house! Guess who is operating (rented) it?

Translation: Outcall is legal. In call (multiple customers to same location) is illegal. Does not matter who paid for room, does not matter what color the room is, does not matter if you spit out wooden nickels from your ass, in call is illegal and charges are laid every week from it.

If hotel knows it is going on, they are in trouble. Hence hotels cooperate with police. Hotels also like money so same cooperate less than others.

 

[tboy]

My understanding is that it does not matter who rents it. One transaction does not create a bawdy house. More than one transaction does. So guy rents, guy leaves girl there, she has a few more clients in…. guess what we have A bawdy house! Guess who is operating (rented) it?

Translation: Outcall is legal. In call (multiple customers to same location) is illegal. Does not matter who paid for room, does not matter what color the room is, does not matter if you spit out wooden nickels from your ass, in call is illegal and charges are laid every week from it.

If hotel knows it is going on, they are in trouble. Hence hotels cooperate with police. Hotels also like money so same cooperate less than others.

LL: yeah, sorry, it DOES matter who rents it. For eg: the reason they set it up this way is to prevent repeat occurances from happening at one location. An outcall, it happens at the client's residence therefore not one spot repeatedly. The difference being is that if the lady has customers over to her place, you have many customers going to one location. With outcalls, you have one lady going to many different locations.

Incalls: where the customer goes to see the lady at her permanant or temporary residence. (where the lady rents the room, or is working at a rented condo, townhouse, garage.....)

Outcalls: where the lady goes to the customer's temporary or permanant residence. (where the customer rents or owns the condo, townhouse, apartment, garage....)

Last time I read the Criminal Code of Canada it didn't state the number of times it has to happen to be illegal, it just has to happen once.

Now in practise, as we all know, one occurance won't draw the ire of the neighbours or police......