Is parental consent not required if a child chooses to get vaccinated in Ontario school?

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Without getting personal or attacking the news source, or derailing this of topic is this accurate that under the Healthcare consent act parental consent is not required if a child chooses to be vaccinated in Ontario?

This is apparently in Niagara region hosted by their public health.

Do you agree with this? What’s your opinion. What if there are complications. Will public health be liable. How about the child medical history and so forth. This does not make sense to me just trying to understand from some of our resident experts in this subject matter. So does this mean if a parent is against, and the kid chooses and they don’t have any medical conditions, then they will administer the vaccine?

 

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This is as real as Obama having death panels.
How do you explain this then...


“In Ontario, the law is that everyone, even people younger than age 12, can make their own decisions about their health, including choosing 'alternative treatments,' traditional medicines and culturally appropriate treatment,” reads a guide from the Provincial Advocate for Children and Youth that explains health care ...Jan 20, 2015
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Parental consent is NOT required as long as the doctor/nurse think their patient is capable of informed consent. No different from a doc prescribing the pill to a 15 year old.
 

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Parental consent is NOT required as long as the doctor/nurse think their patient is capable of informed consent. No different from a doc prescribing the pill to a 15 year old.
Exactly. A 13-year-old can have an abortion without parental consent. A child can also see a school Counsellor without parental consent.

Kids can also refuse treatment, including vaccination, even if their parent wants them to get it.

The issue is not age; as BC says above, it’s determinant upon whether the professional believes the child is able to understand the pros and cons of the treatment and make an informed choice.
 

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I was hanging out with a friend two nights ago whose 14 year old son has a best friend with an anti-restriction / anti-mask / anti-vaxxer nut job mom whose extended family (grandparents / cousins / uncles) have mostly disowned her in the last couple years, no dad is in the picture, mom hasn’t worked since she red pilled herself… Super sad, but a key member of TrueNorth and TheRebel’s audience.

Anyways, this kid is fully vaccinated and mom doesn’t know. 😂 Kid got his first at a pop-up clinic while mom was protesting a hospital earlier in the fall.

VERY glad we have protections like this because of people like his idiot or certifiably insane mother.
 
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I was hanging out with a friend two nights ago whose 14 year old son has a best friend with an anti-restriction / anti-mask / anti-vaxxer nut job mom whose extended family (grandparents / cousins / uncles) have mostly disowned her in the last couple years, no dad is in the picture, mom hasn’t worked since she red pilled herself… Super sad, but a key member of TrueNorth and TheRebel’s audience.

Anyways, this kid is fully vaccinated and mom doesn’t know. 😂 Kid got his first at a pop-up clinic while mom was protesting a hospital earlier in the fall.

VERY glad we have protections like this because of people like his idiot or certifiably insane mother.
What’s to stop the teachers from calling public health and child services then and declaring that the parents are not mentally fit to make the most informed decision for best interest, well being and health of their kids if the kid tells them that they want to take the vaccine but the parents don’t want them to or trying to talk them out of it or coerce and manipulate out of this decision which is against the health and medical recommendations?
 

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What’s to stop the teachers from calling public health and child services then and declaring that the parents are not mentally fit to make the most informed decision for best interest, well being and health of their kids if the kid tells them that they want to take the vaccine but the parents don’t want them to or trying to talk them out of it or coerce and manipulate out of this decision which is against the health and medical recommendations?
Well, I guess it would fall on deaf ears because that isn't what those services look for before they start an investigation. Those places don't have the resources as the best of times to investigate frivolous complaints. Now, teachers are legally obligated to report examples of real abuse that is physical, sexual or emotional.

As for True North....what a joke that place is. Candice Malcolm is an anti-immigration wing nut who got her start with the Canadian Tax Payers Association. She was pals with Faith Goldy, and was a frequent guest on Sun News when it was operating, and worked with the Harper government. Andrew Lawton is a failed radio host who is also a former PC candidate, as well as worked in the Harper government. Other notable contributors: Sue Ann Levy, Anthony Furey, Lindsay Shepherd and Raheel Raza.

So, basically, anything they say needs to be taken through a neo-conservative lens. Anything the cover will be torqued to cause as much anger and indignation to their followers. Same with Rebel.
 
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What’s to stop the teachers from calling public health and child services then and declaring that the parents are not mentally fit to make the most informed decision for best interest, well being and health of their kids if the kid tells them that they want to take the vaccine but the parents don’t want them to or trying to talk them out of it or coerce and manipulate out of this decision which is against the health and medical recommendations?
Has this been happening a lot this school year? Could you send a link if you know of this being a thing, as it seems fucking bananas, but I’ll keep an open mind.

Nothing stops teachers, administrators, guidance counsellors, friends, neighbours, co-workers, doctors, nurses, aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, parents, grandparents or anyone else from contacting Children’s Aid on a child’s behalf. As has been the case for as long as it’s been a thing.

What Children’s Aid does about the report is a Children’s Aid-thing.

I strongly suspect they wouldn’t take further steps after a report like the one you are worried about, unless a parent’s anti-vaccine stance is part of a larger pattern which has created reason for concern of a child’s safety while under their care.

How often do you think the CAS is acting on calls from some lunatic anti-vaxx neighbour who is gravely concerned that the children next door have been vaccinated, and the neighbour feels they should be removed from the home before more harm can be done?

CAS couldn’t force a vaccination, unless the abuse victim was already under their guardianship.

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I have a lot of family and friends in education, but don’t know a lot myself, and threw some questions your post had me thinking about into a couple group chats.

Nobody thought the scenario you posed was reality adjacent.

There was an announcement in the Spring where Ford/Lecce named teachers and guidance counsellors as caring adults they could talk to about COVID-19 vaccine advice. It took less than a day before the teacher unions publicly declined the opportunity, citing the announcement had come with absolutely no training or even literature to help them convey public health advice to students or parents about vaccinations. Who knows what the actual reasons for the decline were, but I can’t imagine a teacher’s union would want to open the doors that require the defence of some brain damaged loon of a teacher using the opportunity to proselytize about the harm these vaccines and others cause.

Public system teachers were later given advice from their unions to not engage in any ‘conversations’ with students or parents about vaccinations, in particular the COVID-19 vaccines, unless it’s covered as an expectation in a course they’re teaching. In high schools they were also told to refer kids with questions to guidance counsellors, administrators, school social workers, and whoever they connect with will connect them with public health.

As an aside, because Ford decided that the COVID-19 vaccination shouldn’t be mandatory for school-aged children this may be irrelevant, but generally, PH liases with the guardians through the school and board administration when an unvaccinated student attends school. There is no (or very limited) teacher involvement in the enforcement of Ontario’s mandatory vaccination laws. Almost without exception, since it’s privileged medical information teachers don’t need to know, they’d never know who is vaccinated and who is not.
 
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What’s to stop the teachers from calling public health and child services then and declaring that the parents are not mentally fit to make the most informed decision for best interest, well being and health of their kids if the kid tells them that they want to take the vaccine but the parents don’t want them to or trying to talk them out of it or coerce and manipulate out of this decision which is against the health and medical recommendations?
Sorry but there is absolutely nothing in the law that supports it. Strange you would pretend there is considering you quoted the actual truth.

“In Ontario, the law is that everyone, even people younger than age 12, can make their own decisions about their health, including choosing 'alternative treatments,' traditional medicines and culturally appropriate treatment,” reads a guide from the Provincial Advocate for Children and Youth that explains health care ...Jan 20, 2015

The kid is in charge of their own medical treatment as long as the professionals thing they are capable of understanding.
 
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so "youth" are mature enough to decide if they should get a vaccine but once they commit a crime they are not mature enough to understand what they did
 
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basketcase

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so "youth" are mature enough to decide if they should get a vaccine but once they commit a crime they are not mature enough to understand what they did
Last I checked, the legal system doesn't interview youth before they commit a crime to counsel them on the consequences the way doctors do with medical choices.
 

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I was hanging out with a friend two nights ago whose 14 year old son has a best friend with an anti-restriction / anti-mask / anti-vaxxer nut job mom whose extended family (grandparents / cousins / uncles) have mostly disowned her in the last couple years, no dad is in the picture, mom hasn’t worked since she red pilled herself… Super sad, but a key member of TrueNorth and TheRebel’s audience.

Anyways, this kid is fully vaccinated and mom doesn’t know. 😂 Kid got his first at a pop-up clinic while mom was protesting a hospital earlier in the fall.

VERY glad we have protections like this because of people like his idiot or certifiably insane mother.
Is the mom a Chris Skyy bum fan lol, does she listen to trashy Rebel news.
 
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I’m not sure how various school boards are proceeding, but there should certainly be consent from parents.
 
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