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Is it the end of an era for stick-shift cars?

DoctorMuon

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I was on highway 7 in Perth in 1991, at about 11pm on a Saturday night heading west home to visit parents ,working in Ottawa thru a uni summer break after I got off work late.
Moved the shift lever to put in gear, and hear a bang then it spun around. Linkage part broke.

Crawled under truck, saw the problem, saw broken end was on bottom so dangling link would not be a problem.
Find logs to stop back tire, tool box and seat moved up to jam clutch pedal to the floor.
Crawled back under and shifted on tranny levers into second, using pliers.

Revved the engine and rode the clutch to start moving from second gear. Drove 300km home in second gear. Would coast down hills with clutch to the floor to let engine cool a bit.
Windows down and heater going full blast to help cool the engine. One stop in Peterborough at late night gas station to buy more gas, since eating more with higher revs. Home 3am.

Next day down the shop my dad managed, pull a short rod of 3/8" mild steel cold rolled round bar, bend the 90's it needed after heat in the oxy torch. Use broken part as a template
Grind the bent ends to length, drill holes to accommodate cotter pins, and install it. Ordered a factory replacement part but never end up installing it. The home brew worked until the ignition module died in 1995. Brake lines were also starting to fail here and there and it became too much of a pita for an everyday vehicle and I had the truck towed to a scrap yard Second engine but over 450k on the rest of the running gear which was pretty good for a 1977 vehicle.
Ah, the nostalgia of jury-rigging poor quality cars from back then. You can't do that with cars anymore nowadays! Yeah, because these sorts of problems wouldn't happen nowadays.
 

passingthru

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"Gearless continuous transmissions"

Ba ha ha.

You know fuck all about cars don't you. I think you mean "Continuously Variable Transmission", i.e. CVT.

And CVT transmissions are a steaming piles of shit.

Audi really pushed real hard on the CVTs back maybe 10 or so years ago. Was supposed to be better than sliced bread. But then realized that CVT's were piles of shit and abandoned them.

Same with Nissan / Infiniti. Jatco, Nissan's anemic automatic transmission subsidiary was all in on CVT's. Now, they are phasing them out because drivers don't want them due to their lack of performance or reliability and no-one with any brains will buy a used car with a CVT. I think Ford and GM also gave up on CVT. I know Ford was buying CVTs for its econboxes from Jatco (ironically) maybe 5 or more years ago. Infiniti was pretty much one of the last manufacturers to use the CVT and well, Infiniti and Nissan are almost bankrupt these days due to lack of sales.

If you're into cars and driving, you don't want a CVT. Not ever.
it’s nice to talk about “what” happened without explaining “why” it happened. CVT’s are actually superior to a conventional planetary-type automatic. Significantly lower rotating mass, and fewer parts.

They do however, generate a LOT of heat. Heat is bad - especially for fluids like transmission fluid.

I can tell you without a doubt that anyone who has suffered a CVT related problem has neglected maintenance (other than software issues which seem to happen on early-production copies of whichever model).

So too with different maintenance requirements, the driving style is different. You don’t “casually” accelerate a CVT-equipped vehicle. You want to accelerate briskly to desired speed. They are a TORQUE DEMAND system that will respond to throttle inputs differently than a conventional automatic.Problem is, consumers don’t understand what’s happening - and will backpedal the car when it’s making all kinds of noise.

This screws with the programming because the “torque request” is now gone - until reapplication of the throttle….long story short, the driver isn’t using it right.
 

JackBurton

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My first 4 cars were manuals. The last one was a mistake, as I was already ready to go to automatic by that point but my friends convinced me to get another manual. I was already having back problems, and operating a clutch pedal is bad for your back. Are manuals going away? Yup, most definitely. Will I miss them? Not in the least.

All of the advantages of manuals have been going away, and the various automatics take the top ranks nowadays. Of course there are many different types of automatics nowadays, from the traditional slushboxes, to the dual-clutch, to the CVT. Just looking at the traditional slushbox automatic, and ignoring DCT and CVT, slushboxes are taking all of the crowns. The fastest accelerating versions of cars are now the automatics. The most fuel economical are now the automatics. They even take the fastest on-track performance crown most of the time now. There is nothing that a manual has an advantage in now, except giving the most back aches, and most frustration in traffic jams.

I don't see what the nostalgia is for manuals anyways. Why is there no nostalgia for manual chokes? What about manual crankshaft winding starters? Carburetors vs. fuel injection? There is no nostalgia for those because all of their replacement technologies have made life much more convenient, with no downsides. The same is now true of manual vs. automatic transmissions.

But this is all moot now anyways. At the dawn of the electric motors, which don't even need transmissions, this is a debate about the best buggy whips.
+1

Nailed it.

However, I still take small pleasure in being able to start and service my 1949 Ford tractor that I keep on my cottage property for plowing and stuff.

I like the smell and rattle of it. It’s got a quirky choke and even though it’s not worth much, no one could start it easily so I’m not worried about it being stolen.

Its nice to touch the past but only that way.I’m done with stick shift cars.
 
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anon1

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Learned to drive on stick, haven't had one in 20 years. Recently got a manual.
It is fun to drive, most of the time, but there are times that I want a slushbox because I'm not in the mood and just need a vehicular appliance.
 
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K Douglas

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I learned on manual transmission and drove them for almost 20 years until I got an SUV in 2009. Been buying automatics since. Much more convenient in Toronto traffic.
 

contact

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all my sports cars are manual (or paddle shift) daily drivers are auto manual is no fun in traffic
 

bluecolt

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I got my driver's licence in 1969, my motorcycle licence the next year. I have had many cars over the last 52 years and I have never owned anything other than a car with a standard transmission. These included various BMWs (my 1973 2002 was the best, they started building them crappy in the 80s), Porsches, VWs but my favourite stick was a 1954 MG TF. I loved that car. In fact, how does one drive a car with an automatic transmission. I drove a rental car a few times. I instinctively pushed down my left leg and foot to push the clutch and was surprised when there was none. Also, where is the shift on an automatic car? For the true afficionado, one can push start a standard transmission auto. You can't do that with an automatic.
 

bluecolt

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Just remembered that I had an early Toyota Corolla with manual transmission. Not sure why I ever did this, but got to the point where I could find the correct RPM and shift gears without using the clutch. No grinding or other unusual noises. Even got so good at it that I could downshift without the clutch too.
That is not difficult to do. For the many manual transmission cars that I have owned, I could avoid the clutch at certain rpms for all of them. Saves the clutch.
 

james t kirk

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That is not difficult to do. For the many manual transmission cars that I have owned, I could avoid the clutch at certain rpms for all of them. Saves the clutch.
Yeah, saves the clutch but burns out the synchros inside the transmission which is far more expensive to fix than a clutch.

Ok for emergencies, but that's it.
 
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