Is Iran next?

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Ever wonder what the US's response will be if there's another terrorist attack like 9/11 on American soil? A planned US response is no doubt in place or at least being worked on. It's all been speculation on what it is, but now more info is coming out. www.amconmag.com/2005_08_01/article3.html
American Conservative Magazine -Aug/05 issue
"In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections."
*I highlighted the word 'suspected' because the IAEA has found no Iranian nuclear weapons program.
I also know that CONPLAN 8022 and the Global Strike doctrine of the Bush administration has already put 'mini nukes' under control of key US military commanders. So what's up?
Like Iraq, will Iran be the US's next victim if there's another 9/11? And will the response be, as the article says, 'not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the US.' -just like Iraq?
We can hope another 9/11 will never happen, but I'm not sure if that's realistic.
 

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You're sick for hoping that another 911 will happen... I would also say that nobody wants that so you should never use the term "we" You're also dreaming... Iran lacks nuclear wepoans... North Korea on the other hand already has 10...

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Choron said:
You're sick for hoping that another 911 will happen... I would also say that nobody wants that so you should never use the term "we" You're also dreaming... Iran lacks nuclear wepoans... North Korea on the other hand already has 10...

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I don't think you understand d's post. I don't see anywhere that he was stating a hope for another 9/11. And whether Iran has nuclear weapons or not wasn't his point.
 

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Choron said:
You're sick for hoping that another 911 will happen... I would also say that nobody wants that so you should never use the term "we" You're also dreaming... Iran lacks nuclear wepoans... North Korea on the other hand already has 10...

Peace,
G
As Irlandais9000 kindly pointed out -you misread me. But then again my grammar is sometimes not the best.
I hope there is never another terrorist attack on the US like 9/11. And I agree that Iran should not be a future target if there unfortunately is such an attack. Especially if Iran has no involvement in the attack and the US uses a phantom Iranian nuclear weapons program as justification for a pre-emptive counter attack, just like the US did with Iraq's phantom WMD.
 

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Syria. . .

is next on Dubya's hitlist. Israel wants it done with Syria out of Lebanon.
 

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Iran is not next.

I'm sure the EU will have that nuke program under control any day now :rolleyes:

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..I respectfully disagree for one reason. The Americana are building 14 permanent bases in Iraq.They are planning on staying awhile. If the Iranians get their hands on Nukes in a couple of years it will seriously damage American efforts to control Iran.
I dont expect a full blown invasion , but a huge air attack maybe with small Nukes I wouldnt rule out.To try and take out the Iranian Nuclear facilities.
 

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The military is undermanned and exhausted. They're streached too thin with
troops in Afganastan, Iraq and many other places. Maybe, it'll be a contract
war! :eek:
Yeah right, not like we have 100k troops in Germany forward deployed with nothing to do. Believe me (and you really have no reason to) that the US could fight any two enemies with more vigor than any other nation.

Damn, that was hard to type, the Smithereens just played for our firm, damn fine show and I'm blitzed.

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DonQuixote said:
Plus, the American people don't trust Bush. They'll never get a War Powers
Act through the Senate. The Rs would be out of power within two years if
they even suggested an attack on Iran. Though they're Persian and not
Arabian the Near East would revolt in convulsions if the US tried an invasion
of Iran.

Think 'oil embargo' -1974 style.

While the poll numbers are down don't forget that he's the first POTUS to win more than 50% of the vote since dad.

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..I just read a book by Gwen Dwyer. His conclusion is the US wants the rest of the world know there is a different set of rules now. Pax Americana, whether you want it or not. However he also says the US army is pathetically weaker then it is made out to be.
They have plenty of everything except one thing, combat troops, and without them you cant do alot.
The US cannot even control a country that they had an embargo on for 10 years. The US army is over hpyhed and right now the US is playing a dangerous game of bluff, which it will not be able to keep up for very long.
Though with people like OTB supporting him it may drag on for 10 years or so until the US once again has to drag its troops home with their tails between their legs.
 
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DonQuixote said:
The executive branch and the pentagon are always coming up with potential
scenarios. That's been going on for what seems to be forever. I was involved
with plans to attack East Germany, Poland and Hungary when I was in the
military a lifetime ago. It's like the game 'diplomacy'. They're always planning
for something or another.

Don
I do hope you're right. But if another 9/11 does happen, and the Bush administration believes it's a good possibility, than one of those plans is bound to become a reality. I do not look forward to that day.
 

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The US had better start respecting China, Europe Russia exct, not for what they can do today, but what they will be capable of doing in 20 years.
The notion the US with 4% of the world' s population will ever manage to dominate the globe forever is so ridiculous as to be insane.
Yet thats what these dummies say they are doing, quite openly.
I disagree with Dwyers 2 sentence Put down of all talk about conspiracies. Then again he was in the service 20 years or so, his links to the Military Establishment may still be in play.
His overall assessment of what the US is up too though sounds logical.
Dominating the Middle Eastern Oil supplies is the last chance the US has to dominate trhe worlds economies.
If for no other reason then the rest of the world will continue to put their savings in the US.
Unfortunately I believe the US will not pull out in less then 10 years. Unless they get out within a year or two.
 

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DonQuixote said:
That's my point, exactly.

The US has spent an incredible amount of $$$ on weapon systems but
very little, by comparison, on the ultimate weapon, the infantryman.
Fear of caskets coming home from combat zones is the primary reason.

It takes troops on the ground and not stealth jets, submarines, aircraft
carriers and the like to win wars.

In 'Nam for every combat troop there were ten in the rear supporting him.
We're very high teck but not very deep with shoe leather. OTB just doesn't
get it. But, what do you expect from someone who relies on Fox News?

Don
Don - you CNN lover you.

OK, how many infantry troops does the US have - if you believe that we have too few you must know how many we have - I'm willing to bet it's many multiple of the troops serving in Iraq at the peak. This should get you started: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/active-force.htm

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*d* said:
I do hope you're right. But if another 9/11 does happen, and the Bush administration believes it's a good possibility, than one of those plans is bound to become a reality. I do not look forward to that day.
It won't happen unless Iran pops a nuke somewhere we care about (think SA, Israel or the US).

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Sure like Saddam did. The attitude and mentality the war mongers headed by Dubya will not surprise me to make more false documents, have Bolton a knowm liar to lie to UN to create another Bush League to attack Iran.

I am still waiting for the Iraqis to greet their saviors with flowers and sweets.

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onthebottom said:
It won't happen unless Iran pops a nuke somewhere we care about (think SA, Israel or the US).

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The US does not care about SA anymore, now that the apartheit regime is gone.

And whatever reason would Iran have to "pop a nuclear device" in SA? SA is not threatening Iran in any way.

Think again.
 

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onthebottom said:
Don - you CNN lover you.

OK, how many infantry troops does the US have - if you believe that we have too few you must know how many we have - I'm willing to bet it's many multiple of the troops serving in Iraq at the peak. This should get you started: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/active-force.htm

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A question for you OTB. If you believe that the US has more than enough trained regular army to go into battle, why have they left the troops in Europe, where you have suggested they are basically sitting on their ass, and opted instead to create a force In Iraq where reservists and national guard nearly outnumber regular army?
 

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DQ,

Did you stop maturing at 19 when you were drafted - I can't comprehend such a child billing people by the hour for legal advice!

OK, that should deal with the childish outburst. Now, how many infantry troops in the 10 divisions? Does that include the marines? I'm writing this on my blackberry so I won't have a chance to read your links until tomorrow.

Dam, that was Saudi Arabia..

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Ast - now that's a good question, I'm sure many of them are logistical but I also think our troops are in need of redistribution. Rummy has proposed redeploying 75k troops over the next few (5 or 10 I can't remember). One reason they don't move is that the countries where they are want to keep them (Germany 120k, Japan 45k, S Korea 35k).

I don't think these are all logistical, someone must be firing those 4,000 tanks we have.

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onthebottom said:
I don't think these are all logistical, someone must be firing those 4,000 tanks we have.

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At windmills in Belgium?
 
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