Is God right wing?

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Is God right wing?
Is the “religious right� an oxymoron?

One thing I have never been able to fathom, is how Christians in the US or anywhere claim that right wing issues are God’s issues.

Principles I learned as a Christian seem to support the other conclusion, such as:

1. do unto others as you would have them do unto you
2. I am my brother’s keeper
3. the meek shall inherit the earth
4. suffer the little children to come to me
5. Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple
6. Jesus healed the sick, inspired the disadvantaged
7. turn the other cheek
8. Jesus forgave those that betrayed him

The list goes on. Jesus taught tolerance, acceptance, respect for others, caring for others. Jesus recognized a separation between church and state: render under Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and render unto God what is God’s.

The US seems to be fearful that Muslim fundamentalists are taking over states in the Middle East, a fear I share, but they seem not to recognize that the US government is being heavily influenced by Christian fundamentalists, who, in my view, are not espousing true Christianity. Why is there such a disconnect?
 
I dunno. It's been awhile since I've read the bible but according to that book God seems pretty right-wing in terms of many social issues at least.
 
Screwge, i would agree with you,Right wing Cristians seem to be more interested in Power,than yielding there hearts to Jesus Christ.Many right wing christian ministers seem to have forgotten what theyve been called to preach the gospel instead of enforcing there own values.God has called Christians to pray for all leaders and malign no one.Of course to vote,but God is not for a particular party.
 
Don
I think the things you are thinking about may be stuff like: an eye for eye.

Two things to remember: things from the old testament were written by men and they were Jews, not Christians. It is in the New Testament where the beliefs of Christianity are set out. It too was written by men, but the philosophy is much different (see my first post).
 
DonQuixote said:
Anyone who wears his/her faith on their sleeve is a fraud.
My dad taught me long ago that someone who talks their
religious beliefs are frauds. A person of faith lives a spiritual
life, not a public life. Morality and values are personal, not
public. They walk the walk. Talk is cheap and cheesy.
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I think you just called the majority of people on this earth frauds.... especially the ones in developing countries.

Actully I tend to think of people who associate themselves with a religion but only pay minimal lip service to their faith is a fraud. Those terriorists who killing in the name of god are misguided to put it lightly but I certainly do not consider them frauds.
 
Paul Waters said:
As Gandi said:

"I like your Christ. I don't like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
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All i can say is that Christians are to be followers of Jesus Christ.Hes the vine we are the branch ,all comes from him.I hope in the future Christians would do this even myself.I know i fall short alot,but i will get up and make that my goal.His arms are stretched out to all people.alienating one person would be a disservice to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
..some of the biggest assholes I have ever met were born again Christians, they talk about compassion, charity exct, but thats all they do talk about it. Its like their religion gives them an excuse to be a jerk,maybe becuase when they go to Church they think they have their sins forgiven , at least for another week.
 
.."let whoever has not sinned cast the first stone"-as the mob was about to stone the Harlot.
Thats what I cant stand about alot of Christians they seem to act in reverse to what they are suposssed to believe cheif among them is not to be juddemental as per JC.
How many born again Christians could you describe as non judgemental.
 
Of course the Old Testament God and the God of the New Testament have quite different messages. And then there's the hypocrisy factor in professed believers to consider.

I'd say the God of Israel's history—Old Testament—was a warrior, law-giver, politician and statesman. The New Testament God is a neighbour, a family-head, a caregiver and a citizen. Neither excludes the other and neither fits the right/left definitions as I understand them, though I can well imagine Consrvatives preferring the Old Tetament for their quotes, and the Socialists the New.

Given that this discussion is yet another bit of US navel-gazing, it's okay, I guess, to completely ignore all the other revelations of God—to Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus…. We're really talking not of God, but of Man: the particular species known as American Christians, and the fundamentalist subspecies of that in particular.

Paranoid, easily duped, utterly convinced and unshakeable if they believe something to be God's will, infinitely various (but just as convinced) as to what that will might be, sure that God is a white American male, they have such skill at ignoring the parts of their Bible they find inconvenient at any given moment, that a thinking mind boggles. Perhaps their scariest aspect is their transference of the act of faith—what it takes to believe and commit to the unknowable, the ineffable, the Divine—to any other aspect of life that's just a bit hard to grasp. Example: "We have faith the President can win a war without a plan, cut taxes, better the nation and improve our lives; all by eliminating government waste". "An uprovoked invasion of any country the President says was responsible for 9/11's OK by me". Does that make them right-wing, or just unequipped for real life?

But they're the nicest folks I'd ever want to share a meal with or have happen by when my tire's flat.
 
We have to be sure to seperate religion and church from spirituality. They are not the same.
Religion and Church are man made institutions, created by man to push an agenda. People have died defending their particular "brand" of religion.
Spirtiuality is an overarching principle and are the base for most of the religions.
Love, caring and compassion for the fellow man are universal principles.
Unfortunately like most good things, they have a dark side. It usually happens when humans try to interpret them, instead of living them.
 
Remember Andy Rooney's commentary on 60 minutes:

It doesn't seem right, but religion has been in the news a lot recently.

Pat Robertson says that God has spoken to him and told him that George W. Bush will be re-elected because he deserves to be.

Here's Pat Robertson's exact quote: "I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I'm hearing from the Lord that it's going to be a blowout."

The movie by Mel Gibson called “The Passion of the Christ� is the other religious issue in the news. Everyone's talking about that. The question is whether the Jews killed Jesus Christ - who was Jewish, of course.

I hadn't wanted to say anything about this, because it seemed like a personal matter, but Pat Robertson isn't the only one who has heard from God.

I heard from God just the other night. God always seems to call at night.

"Andrew," God said to me. He always calls me "Andrew." I like that.

"Andrew, you have the eyes and ears of a lot of people. I wish you'd tell your viewers that both Pat Robertson and Mel Gibson strike me as wackos. I believe that's one of your current words. They're crazy as bedbugs, another earthly expression. I created bedbugs. I'll tell you, they're no crazier than people,� said God.

"Let me just say that I think I'd remember if I'd ever talked to Pat Robertson, and I'd remember if I said Bush would get re-elected in a blowout."

“As far as Mel Gibson goes, I haven't seen his movie, 'The Passion of the Christ,' because it hasn't opened up here yet. But I did catch Gibson being interviewed by Diane Sawyer. I did something right when I came up with her, didn't I,� added God. “Anyway, as I was saying, Mel is a real nut case. What in the world was I thinking when I created him? Listen, we all make mistakes."

That is what God said to me. That's about all he did say to me because I'm sure God has a lot more important things to do than talk to someone on television.

My own question to Pat Robertson is this: The election looks as though it could be close, certainly not a blowout. If George W. Bush loses the election to a Democrat, will you become an atheist?

My question to Mel Gibson is: "How many million dollars does it look as if you're going to make off the crucifixion of Christ?"


Written By Andy Rooney © MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
screwge said:
Is God right wing?
Is the “religious right� an oxymoron?

One thing I have never been able to fathom, is how Christians in the US or anywhere claim that right wing issues are God’s issues.

Principles I learned as a Christian seem to support the other conclusion, such as:

1. do unto others as you would have them do unto you
2. I am my brother’s keeper
3. the meek shall inherit the earth
4. suffer the little children to come to me
5. Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple
6. Jesus healed the sick, inspired the disadvantaged
7. turn the other cheek
8. Jesus forgave those that betrayed him

The list goes on. Jesus taught tolerance, acceptance, respect for others, caring for others. Jesus recognized a separation between church and state: render under Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and render unto God what is God’s.

The US seems to be fearful that Muslim fundamentalists are taking over states in the Middle East, a fear I share, but they seem not to recognize that the US government is being heavily influenced by Christian fundamentalists, who, in my view, are not espousing true Christianity. Why is there such a disconnect?
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I think this is a false question.

God would not be partisan but would likely have conservative social views (gay marriage, abortion) and liberal fiscal views (healthcare, support of the poor).

He'd have a hard time getting elected with those views (or appointed to the Supreme Court for that matter). The democrats would say he’s discriminatory and the republicans would say he’s a communist. Says something about our society actually.

You need a WWJD bumper sticker.

OTB
 
Let me restate the question I am interested in. Why are the so-called Christian Right in Canada and the US so disconnected from Christian values?
 
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