Do you support the ideas him, Jr, or Manchin are putting forward? If so, which (because West's ideas in the OP are idiotically superficial and naïve)
Stating the fact that 3rd parties take votes from other parties is not stopping any 3rd party run.
Is Cornel West A Russian Propagandist?
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Stating the fact that 3rd parties take votes from other parties is not stopping any 3rd party run.
True. But he sure as shit inflamed them for the sake of his ego and business dealings.
I support them running. And not letting the media and party shame them for doing it. And yes, stating they are "taking" votes is both an attack on democracy and an excuse for poor showing. If you want votes do it on policy.
Seriously the people who choose to vote for the above are not Democrats anyway. So why do the Democrats complain so much when they do?
Thanks for admitting you promote these guys despite not supporting them simply because they may stop Biden from being re-elected.
And are you under the belief that political commentators are hired to not have opinions? Or is it you just don't like when their opinion doesn't support Trump's re-election campaign?
This is why I try no to get under the covers with Dutch Oven around. He is intellectually dishonest. Takes a shred of something from the main argument, then deflects using simmmilar words with vastly different meanings.
The original statement was that Trump "stoked" division.
Dutch tries a one-cheek-sneak red herring fart by denying that Trump "created" divisions. Then goes on to admit that he only magnified them and while other parasites took advantage of that, his business' didn't profit from them
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There are divides in American society. Trump didn't create them. Things he said and did were used by those who profit off those divides to amplify them. Trumps businesses do not profit from any such tactics.
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Never mind that this whole us vs them/I'm getting arrested for YOU divide and conquer strategy has provided Donald J. Trump, personally, with tens of millions of dollars through his various PAC's charities, campaigns etc....that he spends personally and to (sometimes!
) pay for his revolving door of lawyers. (As an aside... I wonder how he is going to handle the personal income tax implications of skimming off this cash (that Trump likely believes is his personally)? Oh, and the fact that he actually believes "This letter from Trump to Erdogan is cogent, if nothing else."
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You don't get to set the parameters of the posts.
And really thank you for admitting you would stifle democracy for Biden.
As for the commentators, when former press secretaries, with both parties, get shows they aren't commenting, they are shilling. Its direct propaganda. And thats why some people choose not to vote for the two parties.
As well, when a party doesn't align with a person's views, they are not obligated to vote for them. That you would limit choice is again, anti democratic.
Add in the fact your opposition to them isn't even based on domestic policy but stances on Israel shows how your bias definitely is against helping the American people.
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Either do you. That's why many of us routinely call out your anti-democrat posts. I find it pathetic that you will pretend to care about progressive causes when it gives you and excuse to shit on the Dems and are happy to support groups that are against all of those progressive policies you claim to champion. You push similar opinions of left-wing accelerationists but only when it supports your anti-Biden and Hillary conspiracy theories.
And I find it hilarious that you object to companies hiring people to push opinions, but only when it comes to the Democrats. For example, I've never heard you post a thing criticizing Fox as GOP propaganda.
BTW. I've spoken to actual leftist accelerationists and tried to explain that there are far more well armed right-wing militias than there are progressives.
Really. So you don't read my posts? Third paragraph of the post you quoted. Game set match.
They've gotten even more ideological and opinion-driven and less newsy, haven't they?
Wow.
That's kind of disappointing. Just another basic cable news network nonsense feed now.
I was never very impressed with them but back a few years ago they at least seemed to be trying to do something different.
I don't think that's fair.
He didn't admit that.
Yes, that's a plausible interpretation of Butler's idea here, but Butler can also not be malicious or deceptive in what he said, just cripplingly naive.
You can interpret what he said as being that he wants a world where voting honestly doesn't result in bad consequences due to systemic factors.
If he was in such a world, then people telling minor party voters that they were bad or doing bad by voting that way would in fact be anti-democratic and "stifling democracy" by trying to "shame" people into not voting their hearts.
Of course, we don't live in that world, and people pointing out that third party voting is actually counter-productive are being more honest and realistic and trying to do good.
So if you think Butler doesn't understand that, and isn't just pretending to be incredibly naive about politics and the real systemic issues involved, then he isn't admitting to supporting them because they will help defeat Biden, but just admitting to supporting them because he wants a magical pony unicorn world to exist even though it doesn't.
Major (Joe Biden's German shepherd) is starting his own dog party to vote against Butler.
My suggestion for anyone worried over Dr. West is to contact the Democrats to actually keep promises. Like for a Public Option as an example.
Whining over "lost" votes they never had isn't going to help them in the least.
Whining over "lost" votes they never had isn't going to help them in the least.
No one is that worried from a ruthlessly tactical point of view.
His impact is likely to be minimal.
He is The People's Party candidate.
They only have ballot access in Florida and as far as I know have shown no plans of getting access anywhere else.
Florida isn't really in contention anyway.
The "Presidential Run" is mostly a publicity stunt and fund raising.
People can't vote for West anyway and he isn't going to make the effort to give people the chance to vote for him.
It is the ongoing sucker's game people object to.
Seems like you're the only one whining in this thread about why the media refuses to promote a fringe candidate.
Lol. He has been on Anderson Cooper, Fox, and various podcasts. The press is paying attention and worried. As are the Democrats.
If he re-elects Trump, it'll be the only thing he's remembered for.
Huh.
Serves me right for ignoring him.
If he wins the Green Party nomination, he might actually be dangerous since he will get WAY more press than Jill Stein ever did.
He could get half her numbers and still get Trump elected.
