By Iran or from Iran? And sending to Al Queda? Let's try to stay within the evidence. So far, it's been nothing but a comedy show by Israel.
Iranian missile shipment stopped at sea
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I read that Reuters article and remember a current thread exactly about that, so I thought I'd post it as a point of interest.
Now, if Colombian cocaine arrives into the Port of Montreal, and gets reloaded onto a ship bound for the US, is the Canadian gov't responsible for that? I'd say not, and the same should be said about these weapons. Everyone is speculating on the identity of the source as well as the destination. If the ship was intercepted near Port Sudan & believed to be destined for offloading there, that's pretty much a gateway for the entire freakin' continent of Africa. This might be shocking to hear, but arms dealing is a pretty big business with lots of non-state actors (who's filling in for Viktor Bout these days?), and about the only folks that actually received any benefit from the whole "Arab Spring" that swept the Maghreb a few years ago are the smugglers/criminal/insurgents (now also affecting the Sahel). Theres a lot of routes to get materials to the Sinai or Gaza that don't include travelling upon an international sea lane.
Now, if Colombian cocaine arrives into the Port of Montreal, and gets reloaded onto a ship bound for the US, is the Canadian gov't responsible for that? I'd say not, and the same should be said about these weapons. Everyone is speculating on the identity of the source as well as the destination. If the ship was intercepted near Port Sudan & believed to be destined for offloading there, that's pretty much a gateway for the entire freakin' continent of Africa. This might be shocking to hear, but arms dealing is a pretty big business with lots of non-state actors (who's filling in for Viktor Bout these days?), and about the only folks that actually received any benefit from the whole "Arab Spring" that swept the Maghreb a few years ago are the smugglers/criminal/insurgents (now also affecting the Sahel). Theres a lot of routes to get materials to the Sinai or Gaza that don't include travelling upon an international sea lane.
Actually "turns out" is your usual bull shit. The actual wording in your link is "Doubts surface on Gaza destination of rockets seized by Israel"Whoops.
Turns out the missiles were probably going to Al Qaeda in Egypt....
And your cheer leading would lead people to think stopping Sinai militants from being armed is a bad thing.
The we could ask what kind of logic has Shia Iran supplying a Sunni/Saudi organization.
Of course we know the reality is you are so desperate to make Israel look bad that you don't care for facts or logic.
How else would you get Syria/Iranian missiles to Egypt? Seems to me you would need shipping from Syria/Lebanon through the Med, through the Persian Gulf/Red Sea, or by flying it (which has significantly greater oversight so that large a shipment would be problematic)? I guess it would be possible for the arms to transshipped from a legitimate sales destination in Africa but since to my knowledge, there is a ban on arms sales from Syria and Iran so smuggling is the only option.... Theres a lot of routes to get materials to the Sinai or Gaza that don't include travelling upon an international sea lane.
Of course Egypt has no interest in either the Palestinian groups in Gaza nor the Sinai militants being armed.
You must be embarrassed by how you acted as an unabashed cheerleader for Israel's hysterical claims. Don't get mad at others when it bites you. And it turns out that the missiles were not Iranian but Syrian. This comedy show by Israel just keeps on giving.Actually "turns out" is your usual bull shit. The actual wording in your link is "Doubts surface on Gaza destination of rockets seized by Israel"
And your cheer leading would lead people to think stopping Sinai militants from being armed is a bad thing.
The we could ask what kind of logic has Shia Iran supplying a Sunni/Saudi organization.
Of course we know the reality is you are so desperate to make Israel look bad that you don't care for facts or logic.
Just to remind you of your eagerness to do Israel's bidding:
Seems Iranian M-302 missiles have been captured on their way somewhere, the belief is to Gaza.
Of course no nation or legally constituted military says it is their missiles so it's pretty clear that once again, Iran is trying to smuggle illegal weapons. US and Israeli intelligence tracked the cargo from Bandar Abbas in Iran.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4495487,00.html
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-shared-intelligence-on-weapons-shipment/
Really? Which news article states that as a fact?..."And it turns"...
Of course just to show how fucked you are, you should try reading my post? Unlike you I don't just make up facts.
basketcase said:Seems Iranian M-302 missiles have been captured on their way somewhere, the belief is to Gaza.
Yes, you certainly spare no time repeating Israel's story. Kudos to your cheerleading role. Too bad almost none of it seems true, but yet another ham handed Israeli propaganda exercise.Really? Which news article states that as a fact?
Of course just to show how fucked you are, you should try reading my post? Unlike you I don't just make up facts.
Those who think critically smelled a rat immediately. You didn't.
So you don't like that my OP?Yes, you certainly spare no time repeating Israel's story. Kudos to your cheerleading role. Too bad almost none of it seems true, but yet another ham handed Israeli propaganda exercise.
Those who think critically smelled a rat immediately. You didn't.
Iranian missiles? Yes.
Stopped at sea? Yep
That's the title of the thread.
Ship captured? Check.
On their way somewhere? Of course.
Suspected to Gaza? That was the belief. Still could be fact.
No country or army claimed them? Da.
Smuggling missiles? True.
Cargo tracked from Iran? Oui.
Israeli troops did the stopping? Ken.
US intelligence was involved? Naam.
Seems my post was 100% true. I guess you are just upset that the missiles aren't going to be used to kill Jews.
I didn't have to gar far to find an error. It's right there in your very first point. Iranian missiles? No, Syrian. So, no Iranian missile shipment stopped. But your cheerleading title did accurately represent the Israeli line.So you don't like that my OP?
Iranian missiles? Yes.
Stopped at sea? Yep
That's the title of the thread.
Ship captured? Check.
On their way somewhere? Of course.
Suspected to Gaza? That was the belief. Still could be fact.
No country or army claimed them? Da.
Smuggling missiles? True.
Cargo tracked from Iran? Oui.
Israeli troops did the stopping? Ken.
US intelligence was involved? Naam.
Seems my post was 100% true. I guess you are just upset that the missiles aren't going to be used to kill Jews.
C'mon, wake up.
The comedy show is by you.By Iran or from Iran? And sending to Al Queda? Let's try to stay within the evidence. So far, it's been nothing but a comedy show by Israel.
I realize Seth that you are still on pain medication. But Rockets are rather different from cocaine.If Colombian cocaine arrives into the Port of Montreal, and gets reloaded onto a ship bound for the US, is the Canadian gov't responsible for that? I'd say not.
Syria does not have a common border with Iran, so either a truck convoy was organized from Syria across Iraq to Iran - I'd certainly hope that someone would notice such a truck convoy; or they were put on a ship sailed right by Egypt (either through the Suez Canal or right abound Africa) to Iran, then put on an Iranian ship to the Red Sea.
How else would you get Syria/Iranian missiles to Egypt? Seems to me you would need shipping from Syria/Lebanon through the Med, through the Persian Gulf/Red Sea, or by flying it (which has significantly greater oversight so that large a shipment would be problematic)? I guess it would be possible for the arms to transshipped from a legitimate sales destination in Africa but since to my knowledge, there is a ban on arms sales from Syria and Iran so smuggling is the only option.
Of course Egypt has no interest in either the Palestinian groups in Gaza nor the Sinai militants being armed.
Maybe I wasn't too clear, but I 'll try again.I realize Seth that you are still on pain medication. But Rockets are rather different from cocaine.
Syria does not have a common border with Iran, so either a truck convoy was organized from Syria across Iraq to Iran - I'd certainly hope that someone would notice such a truck convoy; or they were put on a ship sailed right by Egypt (either through the Suez Canal or right abound Africa) to Iran, then put on an Iranian ship to the Red Sea.
Sudan, under Bashir isn't that much different from Iran, in that neither country really gives a crap. They are the geopolitical equivalent of the honey-badger.
Despite the Sunni-Shi'ite difference, these two countries are pretty tight. Thick as thieves, one could say. They used to have quite alot of air traffic, but under US pressure, other Gulf nations (well, mainly Saudi Arabia) began denying flyover authority, so cargo now goes overseas via Iranian naval vessels (which are routinely granted docking privileges at Port Sudan). If Iran wanted to ship something like missiles to Egypt thru Sudan, there's no need to use commercial carriers. Its really unlikely this was a random stop; these containers were likely tracked for awhile, and though Israeli commandos could easily board a commercial carrier in int'l water, they likely wouldn't try to do the same to an Iranian flagged vessel. While they may have been Syrian missiles loaded at an Iranian port, its just not that plausible the Iranian gov't was behind it - they could have loaded up the Kharg or Bandar Abbas, made arrangements through Khartoum for docking & unloading & badaboom badabing, the trucks start rolling through 5K kms of N. African desert.
As for travelling from Iran to Syria overland - its true they don't have a common border and are separated by Turkey or Iraq - the gov`t of Iraq is soooo under Iranian influence now that it might as well become a province of Iran itself, except for the contested parts of Iraq that are basically a toll highway for the various badasses . Like the honeybadger, they also don`t give a fuck. Anyways, my point is this could be anyone transhipping for any number of recipients for end use in any number of small wars in the area.
Oh yeah, one more thing. are these recent manufacture M-302's fresh from the Syrain Scientific Research Center, or are they 10+ year olds that might have been sold & resold & resold. My analogies might be alittle off today, but is Colt responsible when its product that's flipped ownership a few times is used to commit a crime?
Long story short, wherever they originated and wherever they were intended, be thankful that someone pulled them out of the pipeline (hopefully) before they were used.
Wasn`t Eisenhower.....Trumanwhats the big fuss about, everyone and I mean everyone (not just CNN and Fox - there are other in this world), know that the only CANCER in the middle east is Israel. Hmmmm a non Arab state set up by the British in a completely arab dominated area - hmm can you say recipe for danger?? Anyways everyone should know that Eisenhower secretly met the king of Saudi, way back in the day to see where to put the jews from Germany, the King basically said, put them in Germany, where they came from. Sounded like pretty good advice to me?? why should the middle east have to deal with Europes problem??
Hey Mike. You should try doing some reading before spouting opinions.whats the big fuss about, everyone and I mean everyone (not just CNN and Fox - there are other in this world), know that the only CANCER in the middle east is Israel. Hmmmm a non Arab state set up by the British in a completely arab dominated area - hmm can you say recipe for danger?? Anyways everyone should know that Eisenhower secretly met the king of Saudi, way back in the day to see where to put the jews from Germany, the King basically said, put them in Germany, where they came from. Sounded like pretty good advice to me?? why should the middle east have to deal with Europes problem??
Jewish refugees to Israel after WWII (between 1945 and 1951) totaled around 350,000 out of a total population of 1.6 million. Seems like much of Israel had nothing to do with the Holocaust.
And as for cancer, I guess a democracy in the middle of a bunch of authoritarian countries will cause problems.
You are completely ignorant, and apparently get your information from hate websites.whats the big fuss about, everyone and I mean everyone (not just CNN and Fox - there are other in this world), know that the only CANCER in the middle east is Israel. Hmmmm a non Arab state set up by the British in a completely arab dominated area - hmm can you say recipe for danger?? Anyways everyone should know that Eisenhower secretly met the king of Saudi, way back in the day to see where to put the jews from Germany, the King basically said, put them in Germany, where they came from. Sounded like pretty good advice to me?? why should the middle east have to deal with Europes problem??
A large fraction of the Jews who founded Israel came from and were indigenous to the Middle East. To say that they all came from Germany is just anti Semitic nonsense you lifted from some hate website.
There obviously was a lot of immigration but around 700,000 came from other Middle Eastern countries in addition to a lot who were already there, and those who came from elsewhere came from everywhere, not only Germany.
To say that the British created it is to minimize the extent to which in reality the Jews created it, in defiance of the British, and in spite of British attempts to limit Jewish immigration.
Your idea that some Man In The Sky set aside the whole Middle East only for Muslims is patent nonsense. There have always been a lot of Jews in the Middle East.
Israel initially formed as a multi ethnic state with roughly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs, a slight Jewish majority. Had the Arabs been more religiously tolerant it could still be that way today, but instead they attacked.
Fundamentally you post boils down to blaming the victim.
Let me guess your next claims, I recognize the hate sources you are using. You will claim Israel got an unfair share of land by quoting the percentage who were Jews and "forgetting" to count the nearly half the population that was Arab.
Heard it all before, tired of the hate.
It was initially Roosevelt meeting with King Ibn Saud during WW2 (actually, Roosie was on his way back home from meeting with Stalin & Churchill at Yalta, and met with the King onboard the USS Quincy off the Suez Canal). Roosevelt wanted to secure Saudi oil for the US, and made a commitment to the King:Seth gecko, my apologies - you are absolutely correct sir - it was Truman and not Eisenhower. Good catch.
Roosevelt died within a few days of sending that letter to the King Saud.Your Majesty will recall that on previous occasions I communicated to you the attitude of the American Government toward Palestine and made clear our desire that no decision be taken with respect to the basic situation in that country without full consultation with both Arabs and Jews. ... [D]uring our recent conversation I assured you that I would take no action, in my capacity as Chief of the Executive Branch of this Government, which might prove hostile to the Arab people."
Truman had a different view on things, and a few months after assuming to the US Presidency he said:
.I'm sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism: I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
The Saudi royal family took that as a betrayal, and thus (along with other things) we have situatons as this: http://www.voanews.com/content/arab-summit-rejects-recognizing-israel-as-jewish-state/1879906.html
I wonder what would happen if we got some regional body in the West to refuse to recognize Saudi Arabia as an Islamic State?The Saudi royal family took that as a betrayal, and thus (along with other things) we have situatons as this: http://www.voanews.com/content/arab-summit-rejects-recognizing-israel-as-jewish-state/1879906.html
Truman had it right:
"In an area as unstable as the Middle East, where there is not now and never has been any tradition of democratic govern**ment, it is important for the long-range security of our country, and indeed the world, that a nation committed to the democratic system be established there, one on which we can rely. The new Jewish state can be such a place. We should strengthen it in its infancy by prompt recognition."
"In an area as unstable as the Middle East, where there is not now and never has been any tradition of democratic govern**ment, it is important for the long-range security of our country, and indeed the world, that a nation committed to the democratic system be established there, one on which we can rely. The new Jewish state can be such a place. We should strengthen it in its infancy by prompt recognition."
The Saudi's probably wouldn't lose much sleep over it; they know what they are. While lots of western organizations (gov'ts, NGOs, businesses, etc) don't have much of a clue of the region. Factions of the Saudi gov't (which is the House of Saud) are MAJOR sponsors of int'l terrorism, its not too clear which factions though. Saudi Arabia is most likely a state sponsor of terrorism, but good luck having the US State Dept put them on the list.I wonder what would happen if we got some regional body in the West to refuse to recognize Saudi Arabia as an Islamic State?
