Interesting child support case

[dcbogey]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090107.wtwins08/BNStory/National/home

"Man who didn't father twins must pay child support

KIRK MAKIN
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
January 7, 2009 at 7:14 PM EST
A Toronto man is on the hook to pay child support, notwithstanding a DNA test that proved he is not the biological father of his ex-wife's twins, an Ontario Superior Court judge has ruled.

Madam Justice Katherine van Rensburg ordered Pasqualino Cornelio to continue paying child support to the 16-year-old twins – regardless of whether he was bamboozled by a philandering wife."

IMHO, this man only makes other men who are fighting support and/or custody orders look bad. He raised the kids as his own as the judge said "Mr. Cornelio was the only father the twins knew during the course of the marriage,” Judge van Rensburg said. “The relationship that developed from the time of their birth was the natural relationship between a parent and his children."
Despite the lack of a DNA relationship they are "his" children and he should man up and continue to do the right thing.

 

[themexi]

Despite the lack of a DNA relationship they are "his" children and he should man up and continue to do the right thing.

"Man up"........


What a totally bullshit slogan....

What about "WOMAN UP"???????? You know.... as in take responsibility for the FACT that she LIED, CHEATED & CONNED a man into establishing the relationship with these foreign kids in the first place???????


Are you actually saying that this poor CUCKOLD has to take responsibility & the woman should get off scott free with paternal fraud???????

Think about it. If these are the only kids they have she has not only CONNED him into spending time & attention & money on them tat could ave been spent on his own offspring, but she robbed him of the equal right to have his own real decendants.


Why should he have to pay for her deception & dishonesty & SHE DOESNT??????????

FUCK. THAT.

 

[dcbogey]

It seems he suspected his wife had had an affair when they separated, why not get the test as soon as the kids were born. Unless you were in the house you have no idea what their relationship was like and wht he knew or didn't know. What is a fact is that he raised the kids as his own and now wants out - the sign of a true lowlife, in my opinion.
I do not condone what the wife did, btw.
And what do you mean by "foreign kids"?

 

[themexi]

It seems he suspected his wife had had an affair when they separated, why not get the test as soon as the kids were born. Unless you were in the house you have no idea what their relationship was like and wht he knew or didn't know. What is a fact is that he raised the kids as his own and now wants out - the sign of a true lowlife, in my opinion.
I do not condone what the wife did, btw.
And what do you mean by "foreign kids"?

True the facts in this particular case are nebulous.

However the "De facto" parent rulings being issues by these judges dont take that into consideration anyway. Even if he never had any reason to suspect is wife was a lowlife he would be fucked over the same way.

I think that if it can't be proven that the "father" was informed of the wife's cheating, then he should not only Not ave to pay for support upon divorce but the wife should hve either a judgement against HER for Paternal Fraud. There should also be legal remedies to jail women such as this.


ALL of this bullshit could EASILY be avoided by MANDATORY paternity testing for ALL births, NO exception. Under the UN's orwellian rights of the child bullshit kids have a %100 right to know their biologicl identity & liniage anyways.


Just like Men who rape women should have their balls cut off & nailed to the nearest tree , Woman who try to dupe men into supporting someone else's genetic material should have the same done to their ovaries. They're not equal types of violations but the are sure equivilent enough.












By "foreign" I simply mean that the man was tricked into being a father to children not of his direct biological lineage. Tantamount to killing off his genetic line... Woman have %100 rights over their reproduction & rightly so..... MEN should as well.

 

[dcbogey]

This case was about CHILD support - are you saying that even though the couple supported the children during the marriage, only one of them should be required to do so now, regardless of the genetic material that went into producing the children? Spousal support, that wasn't mentioned in the article, could be another matter. Why didn't the father sue in civil court instead of trying to screw "his" children? I wonder how the relationship between them is now?

 

[themexi]

This case was about CHILD support - are you saying that even though the couple supported the children during the marriage, only one of them should be required to do so now, regardless of the genetic material that went into producing the children? Spousal support, that wasn't mentioned in the article, could be another matter. Why didn't the father sue in civil court instead of trying to screw "his" children? I wonder how the relationship between them is now?

He took care of those fraudulent children for quite a while..... she should be happy she got what she did.


YES. I am saying that he should be not only %100 free of ANY further support but that the "wife" should pay back every penny of the $ she defrauded him with intrest. To be fir she should only start repayment after the kids reach 18.


HE IS NOT SCREWING "THE" CHILDREN!

SHE SCREWED HER HUSBAND, & "HER" CHILDREN!

SHE is at fault %100. HE is one of the victims.



This ENTIRE situation is this womans doing. If those kids starve to death it is due the consequences brought on by HER ACTIONS.


Children suffer for the mistakes of parents all the time... Kids are poor because the parents are poor.... learn bad habits & make bad choices because their parents are idiots..... They starve because parents chose to have kids in a drought area..... LIFE HAS CONSEQUENCES & "deserve's" got nothing to do with it.

It's not like there isn't a precedent for welfare being used to support people who are reaping the yeild of bad decisions.




If the government feels so strongly that the kids shouldnt suffer then put them on the Dole. Bad enough that a portion of the poor buggers Taxes will go to support them.








AGAIN I ask anyone who can answer:

If he is being held to account for being defrauded...... WHY is it ok that the wife receive NO CONSEQUENCES???????


Jesus fuck at the very LEAST the judge should have issued a court order for her to remember the name of the man she slutted out to & held her in contempt if she did not.

 

[RTRD]

He isn't paying her...

"Man up"........


What a totally bullshit slogan....

What about "WOMAN UP"???????? You know.... as in take responsibility for the FACT that she LIED, CHEATED & CONNED a man into establishing the relationship with these foreign kids in the first place???????


Are you actually saying that this poor CUCKOLD has to take responsibility & the woman should get off scott free with paternal fraud???????

Think about it. If these are the only kids they have she has not only CONNED him into spending time & attention & money on them tat could ave been spent on his own offspring, but she robbed him of the equal right to have his own real decendants.


Why should he have to pay for her deception & dishonesty & SHE DOESNT??????????

FUCK. THAT.

...he is taking care of the only kids he has ever known, and they are being taken care of by the only father they have ever known.

If he was concerned about the kids being his, why did he wait 16 years to find out?

Tell me...what would be her "taking responsibility" at this point? Taking the kids out of school? Telling them they can't go to university? Having them wear hand me downs?

Fortunately, (as I have said before), we have judges and courts, so these decisions aren't left up to bitter men who are so emasculated and frustrated they decide to punish their exes via their kids...

 

[themexi]

...he is taking care of the only kids he has ever known, and they are being taken care of by the only father they have ever known.

If he was concerned about the kids being his, why did he wait 16 years to find out?

Tell me...what would be her "taking responsibility" at this point? Taking the kids out of school? Telling them they can't go to university? Having them wear hand me downs?

Fortunately, (as I have said before), we have judges and courts, so these decisions aren't left up to bitter men who are so emasculated and frustrated they decide to punish their exes via their kids...

See above.... her bad choices.... her job to fix it or explain to the kids that her fuckup is their problem.

I agree that the kids are equal victims in this...... Making the OTHER victim pay however is uncceptable.

Do casinos have to pay back $ to the families of parents tat gamble everything away? Do drug dealers? How are the precious children in those situations any less deserving than the ones in this case?

 

[RTRD]

Why must we be...

He took care of those fraudulent children for quite a while..... she should be happy she got what she did.


YES. I am saying that he should be not only %100 free of ANY further support but that the "wife" should pay back every penny of the $ she defrauded him with intrest. To be fir she should only start repayment after the kids reach 18.


HE IS NOT SCREWING "THE" CHILDREN!

SHE SCREWED HER HUSBAND, & "HER" CHILDREN!

SHE is at fault %100. HE is one of the victims.



This ENTIRE situation is this womans doing. If those kids starve to death it is due the consequences brought on by HER ACTIONS.


Children suffer for the mistakes of parents all the time... Kids are poor because the parents are poor.... learn bad habits & make bad choices because their parents are idiots..... They starve because parents chose to have kids in a drought area..... LIFE HAS CONSEQUENCES & "deserve's" got nothing to do with it.

It's not like there isn't a precedent for welfare being used to support people who are reaping the yeild of bad decisions.




If the government feels so strongly that the kids shouldnt suffer then put them on the Dole. Bad enough that a portion of the poor buggers Taxes will go to support them.








AGAIN I ask anyone who can answer:

If he is being held to account for being defrauded...... WHY is it ok that the wife receive NO CONSEQUENCES???????


Jesus fuck at the very LEAST the judge should have issued a court order for her to remember the name of the man she slutted out to & held her in contempt if she did not.

...such an angry young man?

"If he is being held to account for being defrauded...... WHY is it ok that the wife receive NO CONSEQUENCES???????"

He isn't being "held account" - he is being legally committed to enforce his obligation as a parent to the only children he has ever known, as the only father the children have ever known.

That said, the answer to your question is because the courts don't punish infidelity...which is a good thing for a lot of MEN.

If we were talking alimony, I'd be somewhat of the same mindset as you (though not nearly as angry). I have always thought that proven infidelity which leads to a divorce should rule out spousal support because in that case it can be argued that the actions of one spouse lead to the consequences in question.

But...as I've noticed many Terbites don't' seem to understand...child support and spousal support are not the same thing.

Not that any of this matters - like I said, fortunately the court system exists to help protect financial vulnerable primary care givers to children from their mentally and emotionally fucked up ex spouses who seek to punish them through the children.

 

[RTRD]

Because....

See above.... her bad choices.... her job to fix it or explain to the kids that her fuckup is their problem.

I agree that the kids are equal victims in this...... Making the OTHER victim pay however is uncceptable.

Do casinos have to pay back $ to the families of parents tat gamble everything away? Do drug dealers? How are the precious children in those situations any less deserving than the ones in this case?

...the drug dealers and casino didn't spend 16 years caring for them, only to decide they don't give a fuck anymore because they got punked.

It really is that simple. He got punked...16 years ago. Too damn bad. Don't punish the kids now.

How does that fucking work, huh? "Oh kids, I know I told you that I loved you for 16 years, but now that I know I am actually not your biological father, that was a lie and as of yesterday I don't give a shit about you"?

 

[dcbogey]

He took care of those fraudulent children for quite a while..... she should be happy she got what she did.


YES. I am saying that he should be not only %100 free of ANY further support but that the "wife" should pay back every penny of the $ she defrauded him with intrest. To be fir she should only start repayment after the kids reach 18.


HE IS NOT SCREWING "THE" CHILDREN!

SHE SCREWED HER HUSBAND, & "HER" CHILDREN!

SHE is at fault %100. HE is one of the victims.



This ENTIRE situation is this womans doing. If those kids starve to death it is due the consequences brought on by HER ACTIONS.


Children suffer for the mistakes of parents all the time... Kids are poor because the parents are poor.... learn bad habits & make bad choices because their parents are idiots..... They starve because parents chose to have kids in a drought area..... LIFE HAS CONSEQUENCES & "deserve's" got nothing to do with it.

It's not like there isn't a precedent for welfare being used to support people who are reaping the yeild of bad decisions.




If the government feels so strongly that the kids shouldnt suffer then put them on the Dole. Bad enough that a portion of the poor buggers Taxes will go to support them.

AGAIN I ask anyone who can answer:

If he is being held to account for being defrauded...... WHY is it ok that the wife receive NO CONSEQUENCES???????


Jesus fuck at the very LEAST the judge should have issued a court order for her to remember the name of the man she slutted out to & held her in contempt if she did not.

Again - I am not saying the wife is blameless. If he wants to get some form of retribution from her, more power to him. This was not the right way to do it and the judge, imho, made the correct decision.

 

[themexi]

...the drug dealers and casino didn't spend 16 years caring for them, only to decide they don't give a fuck anymore because they got punked.

It really is that simple. He got punked...16 years ago. Too damn bad. don't punish the kids now.

How does that fucking work, huh? "Oh kids, I know I told you that I loved you for 16 years, but now that I know I am actually not your biological father, that was a lie and as of yesterday I don't give a shit about you"?

Please cut the liberal manhating sentimental sloganfest............

"They are the only kids he has ever known" because SHE DEFRAUDED HIM.

Maybe, they WOULDN'T be the only kids he has ever known if she had been honest & he had the chance to go start an HONEST family of his own.....
- not so warm & fuzzy when the facts get in the way of feelings, huh?




Yes.... He should absolutely have the right to do that if he wishes.....



AGIN..... all of this would be moot if only ALL newborns undergo immediate & mandatory Paternity testing.



Yes I'm angry.... Injustice does that. Explain why the victim here should be punished further so that the other victims don't suffer when te perpetrator receives no punishment.

 

[themexi]

Again - I am not saying the wife is blameless. If he wants to get some form of retribution from her, more power to him. This was not the right way to do it and the judge, imho, made the correct decision.

Let's call a spade a spade shall we?

Not saying the wife is blameless is insufficient to the pursuit of JUSTICE.....

She. Is. To. BLAME!!!!


Why can't you bring yourself to be Fair in your language?????




Fair enough.... the family court was the wrong place to ask for the Return of money & that part was a fair call.

But the CONTINUANCE of payments is way out of line......

 

[RTRD]

None of which...

Please cut the liberal manhating sentimental sloganfest............

"They are the only kids he has ever known" because SHE DEFRAUDED HIM.

Maybe, they WOULDN'T be the only kids he has ever known if she had been honest & he had the chance to go start an HONEST family of his own.....
- not so warm & fuzzy when the facts get in the way of feelings, huh?




Yes.... He should absolutely have the right to do that if he wishes.....



AGIN..... all of this would be moot if only ALL newborns undergo immediate & mandatory Paternity testing.



Yes I'm angry.... Injustice does that. Explain why the victim here should be punished further so that the other victims don't suffer when te perpetrator receives no punishment.

...justifies the kid suffering an injustice to anyone who isn't a woman hating nut job.

And again, fortunately, we have courts and judges to protect children and women from such men.

 

[themexi]

...justifies the kid suffering an injustice to anyone who isn't a woman hating nut job.

And again, fortunately, we have courts and judges to protect children and women from such men.

How is this so cut & dry to you? And how does me demanding that PEOPLE that defraud others be held account for thier actions make me hate women?

In this case.... The Victims happen to be the children & a Man & the perpetrator of all of this suffering happens to be a woman.

I suppose the genders of the victim & the guilty party are reason enough for you to make your decision. YOUR Bias, NOT mine.



Please explain how my condemning women who engage in this sort of fraud is condemnation of ALL women.



Seriously..... you "Knights in shining armor" that come to te rescue of anyone no matter what they did so long as they're female & a male is a victim are the ones who have a hate on for an entire class of people.

 

[mandrill]

Judge probably made the correct ruling, although he could have couched it in more sensitive and intelligent language. The law is normally that a guy who doesn't realize he has been cuckolded is NOT responsible for the children. But this was a father-children relationship of 16 years. That is a very long time and no one else is going to support these children, but this guy.

If it had just been a year or two, the guy would have had a defense.

 

[RTRD]

The same way....

How is this so cut & dry to you?

...it is so cut and dry for you.

I suppose the genders of the victim & the guilty party are reason enough for you to make your decision. YOUR Bias, NOT mine.

Nope. I'd feel the same way if she were being asked to pay child support to him because he was the primary care giver.

And how does me demanding that PEOPLE that defraud others be held account for thier actions make me hate women?

Please explain how my condemning women who engage in this sort of fraud is condemnation of ALL women.

The same way my feeling like the children should be kept whole and left blameless makes my POV "manhating". I don't' understand it either, but hell I assumed you would since you said it first.

 

[themexi]

Nope. I'd feel the same way if she were being asked to pay child support to him because he was the primary care giver.

Please explain how a father could defraud his wife into believing that the kids were her biological offspring & NOT the hidden product of an affair & your argument could actually mean something.

But you probably CAN'T.... so this part of your argument is beyond foolish & useless.



In a situation like this, where it was PROVEN that the wife chehted & misled her spouse...... & that deception led to him acting like the father.......

YES it IS in fact cut & dry that in this case.... the MAN was wronged.......

Heaven forbid... a man can be wronged by a woman...... Imagine that.

 

[RTRD]

Agreed....

Judge probably made the correct ruling, although he could have couched it in more sensitive and intelligent language. The law is normally that a guy who doesn't realize he has been cuckolded is NOT responsible for the children. But this was a father-children relationship of 16 years. That is a very long time and no one else is going to support these children, but this guy.

If it had just been a year or two, the guy would have had a defense.

..and I'd probably would extend that window out for more than just a year of two.

It is obviously and unusual case, with a completely subjective criteria, but in my mind, if the kids in question have no reasonable chance of ever thinking anyone else is their father or father like figure in their lives, then the only father they will ever know should continue to make provisions for them as he did before.

I didn't read the entire thing, so I missed the less than "sensitive and intelligent language." But, I do agree it is pretty fucked up that this guy wants NOW claim these kids aren't his 16 years later just to save himself some dough...regardless of how that will impact the kids themselves. I mean, completely apart from the money....how low of a piece of shit do you have to be that you are comfortable announcing to your kids "turns out I'm not your Dad and your mother is a cheat whore" just to save on cash?? That is why I think this is all about punishing the wife...he didn't care about the paternity of those kids before...why now?

 

[CapitalGuy]

Not his kids, not his responsibility. What happens to her children is not his concern and if they lose (an education, a nice house, whatever), and he doesn't care, so be it. No reason for that one guy to have to pay for a societal sob story. Ridiculous ruling.