Incall versus Outcall

TRman

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Is it just me, or is there a lot of good looking girls that only have outcall?

It would seem to me that Incall would be more popular for the men, and more profitable for the women.

Have girls that only offer outcall been a point of frustration at all? Has been for me!
 

CapitalGuy

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Outcall is easier for the lady. All you need is a phone and a ride. For incall, you need a safe house that would require some high start up costs, unless you want to use your own home, which is unsafe for the lady and lets a bunch of johns know where she lives. Or, an agency has to organize an incall for you. As well, outcalls are legal. Easiest and quickest way for a lady to work is outcall only.
 
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OnTheWayOut

While what CG said seems to be dead on, at least AFAIK ...... that said, yeah, lots of times I've seen outcall only ads and wished they were incall. While grabbing a room for an hour or 2 of fun seems like such a waste I have to admit I've done it a few times and not regretted the experience :D

But 9 times out of 10 I'll pass and go see an incall instead ............
 

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let's not forget that in Canada, an outcall only escort is 100% legal.
incalls are 100% ILLEGAL.
does THAT answer you're question?
then you add in all the previously stated stuff (safety, cost, etc...)
ya... it's not rocket science.
 

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alexxxis said:
let's not forget that in Canada, an outcall only escort is 100% legal.
incalls are 100% ILLEGAL.
does THAT answer you're question?
then you add in all the previously stated stuff (safety, cost, etc...)
ya... it's not rocket science.
I'm not sure outcall is 100% legal. Exchange of sex for money is illegal in Canada wherever it happens. It's not because agencies are advertizing openly that it is legal.
 

TRman

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I'm glad I started a discussion. I just think that for a lot of girls that renting a hotel room for a few days would be profitable as they may be more clients.

Don't know how many clients an out call girls would have, but I think they would have more as an incall.

I know I just look at outcall and go Damn!!
 

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I think Alexxxis is generally correct, but I'd be interested to hear Ladyluvr's point.

And Conchobhar... doesn't matter if it is "prostitution." Prostitution hasn't been illegal in Canada for ages... it's all the activities around prostitution... i.e. Soliciting, communication for the purpose of, living off the avails, etc

Bottom line is that with a reputable SP, outcalls are pretty safe... but I'd be cautious meeting random SPs and inviting them over to your place... to each their own.
 
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OnTheWayOut

ottawadave said:
Prostitution hasn't been illegal in Canada for ages... it's all the activities around prostitution... i.e. Soliciting, communication for the purpose of, living off the avails, etc
While this is what I have understood to be true it always puzzled me ..... it's a back door way of saying they aren't too keen on ii. But they let everyone advertise openly and every once in a while randomly bust someone, usually an MP.

While overall it allows for us to have a fairly relaxed hobby, it's also annoying to me that they just can't say "this is the fucking rule, deal with it". Guess I should just shut up, all those grey areas are what has let me have loads of fun .........:confused:
 

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slurp said:
While this is what I have understood to be true it always puzzled me ..... it's a back door way of saying they aren't too keen on ii. But they let everyone advertise openly and every once in a while randomly bust someone, usually an MP.

While overall it allows for us to have a fairly relaxed hobby, it's also annoying to me that they just can't say "this is the fucking rule, deal with it". Guess I should just shut up, all those grey areas are what has let me have loads of fun .........:confused:
I hear ya... What's illegal in this country and what's enforced are 2 different stories as you know. And this is what always freaked me about MAs. I know that in the grand scheme of things, the activities there are usually not high on the enforcement list (assuming the place isn't offering too many extras), but who wants to be the guy on the table the day a bust happens, you know?

That's why even though I am a very infrequent hobbiest, I generally prefer the outcall so that you can be fairly certain you don't have to worry about the legal aspects... depends for everyone what their acceptable level of risk is... mine is low... haha...
 

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Conchobhar said:
Yeah, outcalls for Escorts are legal. And it is never advertised as money for sex. That's prostitution. What you're paying for is the time you spend with the lady. Whatever happens between the two of you is between two (sometimes three if you're lucky) consenting adults, and in no should be considered as having money exchanged for sex.
common missconception.
PROSTITUTION is not illegal.
Publicly soliciting (street walking) is.
outcalls are.
agencies are.
there is no grey area.
the reason u hear "you pay for my time" is cuz ur speakin to someone who a)does incalls or b)works for an agency or c)like you, doesn't realize they're legal.
 

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Lets simplify the legal situation, assuming all parties are at least 18 years of age:
1. Prostitution is not illegal anywhere in Canada.
2. Agencies face the risk of a charge for living off the avails of prostitution. That same charge would apply to pimps. that is the reason they advertise that the fee is for time only.
3. Incalls are illegal since "common bawdy house" is a charge for the operator and "found ins".
4. Outcalls for which arrangements are made by private means, for example phone or e-mail are not illegal, even if the e-mail or phone call is explicit that sexual services will be provided for money. But, again, note that arranging this transaction for someone else, in return for some of their payment is "living off the avails...".
5. Outcalls arranged in public, for example in a street or bar conversation could bring a charge of "communication for the purpose..."
An indie, making her own arrangments by phone or e-mail for attending an outcall and actually attending and receiving payment for sexual services has not committed any crime in Canada, and neither has her client.
6. Some municipalities have passed by-laws requiring the escort or the agency to have a "business licence" so operating without one becomes a by-law infraction, but not a breach of criminal law.
 

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bbclown said:
I'm not sure outcall is 100% legal. Exchange of sex for money is illegal in Canada wherever it happens. It's not because agencies are advertizing openly that it is legal.
Really. Can you quote the relevant section of the Criminal Code that says that?

Best of my knowledge, it's neither illegal to be or to use the services of an adult prostitute in Canada.

..c..
 

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neverwas said:
Lets simplify the legal situation, assuming all parties are at least 18 years of age:
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4. Outcalls for which arrangements are made by private means, for example phone or e-mail are not illegal, even if the e-mail or phone call is explicit that sexual services will be provided for money. But, again, note that arranging this transaction for someone else, in return for some of their payment is "living off the avails...".
I read an article in Spacing a couple of years ago that gave me the understanding that land line is private, therefore legal...but cell phones use public airwaves therefore they're illegal.
 

neverwas

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There are several good reasons why the legal situation appears so confusing.
First, we read and see too much that comes from the USA where the law is different.
Second, the Criminal Code does not say that prostitution is legal. It sets out a number of acts that are illegal. If the Criminal Code doesn't make adult outcalls illegal, then they are legal. As I indicated in my earlier posting, a number of acts, like living off the avails, soliciting in public, being in a common bawdy house are specifically made offences. The exchange of money for sex is not included as an illegal act, therefore it is legal.
Third, the Criminal Code creates the offence, but the various courts ,thoughout the country, interpret the Code. For that reason you may occasionally hear about a case that seems to change the law by interpreting part of the Code differently, such as the possible distinction between "land lines" and "cell phones". I have not seen that distinction and find it surprising if true.
Fourth, we confuse the notions of sin and law. Just because some people think prostitution is "sinful" we are not surprised when people think it must be illegal. Well, this time we sinners get a break.
 

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I'm not sure that the legal situation is all that confusing at all. If you stand back and look at the forest, instead of trying to analyze the trees, it becomes clear.

Prostitution is legal and/or tolerated in Canada AS LONG AS it doesn't present a real problem for anyone else.

Streetwalking presents all kinds of problems, from lewd public behaviour to weird traffic to interfering with other businesses to being obvious to litter. If streetwalkers and their customers behaved a bit more discreetly, based on how we've seen other prostitution situations dealt with in Canada, we can assume it would be ignored.

Incalls have pretty much been ignored by most municipalities, save those who license (cash grab on) escorts. I think the only reason they don't turn a blind eye to incalls is because the municipality's butt is on the line.

But I've been hearing rumours that a decision in a court in Quebec pretty much put a hold on incall charges. I'm not sure I believe it, as it was a different scenario -- it was a swinger's club that charged admittance -- but who knows? Frankly, I haven't seen a bawdy house charge since that decision, and I have seen some formal brothels set up in places like Vancouver.

Many people don't like the idea that prostitution law is embedded in the federal criminal code -- but really, I DO like it! I am an American by birth and upbringing (married to a Canadian -- that's what brought me here). In the US, prostitution laws can vary from one place to three feet away where it falls into a different jurisdiction. That's just too complicated! Here in Canada, by having our prostitution laws embedded in the federal criminal code and subject to interpretation in the courts, we are protected from the vagaries of municipal bylaws, which would change direction like grass in the blowing wind.

Our system isn't perfect, but no system is. I've come to think that our laws and our interpretations by the courts here are probably better than most. I'm not as convinced of our law enforcement or crown prosecutions. Those are more political, I think. And for sure, I think that sometimes more public businesses such as strip clubs, massage parlours and escort agencies are sacrificed on the altar of public opinion. Even if the cases go no where, they still make a big splash in the news ... and put those involved through sheer hell.

If I had my druthers, I'd like to see it return to the way it was twenty years ago. Back then, outcalls were the norm for new business -- but once a customer was in and established, incall was available to him. This protected the independents, the agencies and the good customers. It was all a private matter, beyond the scope of the law. Unfortunately, the customers demanded first-time incall privileges. While I can understand their interest in that, it has put us all at some risk, even if miniscule.

..c..
 
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