In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

canada-man

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Yes then in 1967 Israel occupied both territories and since have instituted extremely oppressive measures. Not to mention have engaged in all kinds of atrocities including forced evictions to create jewish settlements.

Dont even try the "terrorist propaganda" bit with me. It is standard rhetoric with pro-Israel partisans.

Hamas and other terrorist groups and their supporters also regurgitate the same propaganda. that's i called them terrorist propaganda



Timeline of Peace Proposals Rejected

– 1993-1994 Oslo Accords – The Oslo Accords represent the start of what was supposed to be a “peace process” for Israel and the Palestinians. Israel agreed to recognize the Palestinian Authority’s right to interim self-governance in Gaza and the West Bank in return for the Palestinians’ recognition of Israel’s sovereignty.

Soon after the “peace process” was established, Palestinians began attacking Israel with suicide bombers.

2000 Israel Offers Follow-up Peace Deal – Israel offered the Palestinians another opportunity to end the conflict, but the offer was rejected outright. Instead of proposing an alternate peace deal, former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat initiated terror attacks on Israel that led to the death of 1,184 Israelis, according to reports.

– 2005 Israelis evacuate Gaza Strip and West Bank –Israel ordered the evacuation of all Israeli settlements within Gaza and the West Bank, essentially giving this land to the Palestinians in an attempt to establish peace. The Palestinians did not accept this gesture of goodwill and instead allowed Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip and continued issuing terror attacks on Israel.

– 2008 peace proposal – Israel offered the PA another peace deal that was rapidly rejected by the PA’s new president Mahmoud Abbas. Reportedly, the Palestinians were not satisfied with the land boundaries proposed in the deal, as they did not allow the Palestinians control over Jerusalem’s holy sites.

– 2009 Israel Offers Support for Palestinian State – Israel offered conditional support for a demilitarized Palestinian state, which the Palestinians quickly rejected.

– 2020 Trump Peace Plan (Deal of the Century) – Palestinians quickly rejected a peace plan formulated by former President Donald Trump and supported by Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The plan’s title was “Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People,” and focused on economic incentives to quickly and drastically repair the Palestinian economy. The Palestinians refused the deal prior to seeing it.
 

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Hamas and other terrorist groups and their supporters also regurgitate the same propaganda. that's i called them terrorist propaganda



Timeline of Peace Proposals Rejected

– 1993-1994 Oslo Accords – The Oslo Accords represent the start of what was supposed to be a “peace process” for Israel and the Palestinians. Israel agreed to recognize the Palestinian Authority’s right to interim self-governance in Gaza and the West Bank in return for the Palestinians’ recognition of Israel’s sovereignty.

Soon after the “peace process” was established, Palestinians began attacking Israel with suicide bombers.

2000 Israel Offers Follow-up Peace Deal – Israel offered the Palestinians another opportunity to end the conflict, but the offer was rejected outright. Instead of proposing an alternate peace deal, former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat initiated terror attacks on Israel that led to the death of 1,184 Israelis, according to reports.

– 2005 Israelis evacuate Gaza Strip and West Bank –Israel ordered the evacuation of all Israeli settlements within Gaza and the West Bank, essentially giving this land to the Palestinians in an attempt to establish peace. The Palestinians did not accept this gesture of goodwill and instead allowed Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip and continued issuing terror attacks on Israel.

– 2008 peace proposal – Israel offered the PA another peace deal that was rapidly rejected by the PA’s new president Mahmoud Abbas. Reportedly, the Palestinians were not satisfied with the land boundaries proposed in the deal, as they did not allow the Palestinians control over Jerusalem’s holy sites.

– 2009 Israel Offers Support for Palestinian State – Israel offered conditional support for a demilitarized Palestinian state, which the Palestinians quickly rejected.

– 2020 Trump Peace Plan (Deal of the Century) – Palestinians quickly rejected a peace plan formulated by former President Donald Trump and supported by Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The plan’s title was “Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People,” and focused on economic incentives to quickly and drastically repair the Palestinian economy. The Palestinians refused the deal prior to seeing it.
Why no source for this timeline?
 

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Not according to the UN, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and others.
Though, if IIRC, you also called all of those 'terrorist propaganda'.

But if you're looking for terrorism you should start with the Kahanist, Ben-Gvir.
You wouldn't be supporting terrorist propaganda yourself, would you?

Ben Gvir’s dream ministry brings Kahane’s vision one step closer
With the portfolio he’s craved, the far-right lawmaker can accelerate Israel’s colonial violence against Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line.

yawn more anti-jewish sources
 

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Hamas and other terrorist groups and their supporters also regurgitate the same propaganda. that's i called them terrorist propaganda
Timeline of Peace Proposals Rejected

– 1993-1994 Oslo Accords – The Oslo Accords represent the start of what was supposed to be a “peace process” for Israel and the Palestinians. Israel agreed to recognize the Palestinian Authority’s right to interim self-governance in Gaza and the West Bank in return for the Palestinians’ recognition of Israel’s sovereignty.

Soon after the “peace process” was established, Palestinians began attacking Israel with suicide bombers.
No body supported the Oslo accords. Not the palestinians. Nor Israelis. Heck the Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated by an Israeli over this.

2000 Israel Offers Follow-up Peace Deal – Israel offered the Palestinians another opportunity to end the conflict, but the offer was rejected outright. Instead of proposing an alternate peace deal, former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat initiated terror attacks on Israel that led to the death of 1,184 Israelis, according to reports.

– 2005 Israelis evacuate Gaza Strip and West Bank –Israel ordered the evacuation of all Israeli settlements within Gaza and the West Bank, essentially giving this land to the Palestinians in an attempt to establish peace. The Palestinians did not accept this gesture of goodwill and instead allowed Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip and continued issuing terror attacks on Israel.

– 2008 peace proposal – Israel offered the PA another peace deal that was rapidly rejected by the PA’s new president Mahmoud Abbas. Reportedly, the Palestinians were not satisfied with the land boundaries proposed in the deal, as they did not allow the Palestinians control over Jerusalem’s holy sites.

– 2009 Israel Offers Support for Palestinian State – Israel offered conditional support for a demilitarized Palestinian state, which the Palestinians quickly rejected.

– 2020 Trump Peace Plan (Deal of the Century) – Palestinians quickly rejected a peace plan formulated by former President Donald Trump and supported by Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The plan’s title was “Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People,” and focused on economic incentives to quickly and drastically repair the Palestinian economy. The Palestinians refused the deal prior to seeing it.
None of these peace plans address any of the key demands of the palestinians. Peace isn't just offered from one side for the other to accept. Israel will never accept the Palestinian right to return cuz that would make Israel a muslim majority state. They cant have that! Also the very fact that they had to evacuate settlements is an admission that they engaged in land grab. The 2020 Trump plan was also a fucking joke. A peace plan formulated without Palestinian participation lol. Nice try.
 
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why ask for sources when you repeatedly ignore them when you disagree with them
You know why there's been no peace?
Basketcase summed it up:

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.
Why would the occupying force ever settle when they can keep colonizing, settling or 'stealing' more Palestine?
 
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You're surprised that after 20 years of Oslo Accords, where Israel stalled while they created 'facts on the ground', that Palestinians aren't keen on peace talks?
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When exactly have the Palestinian leadership been willing to make a deal? In 1919 when they incited riots against indigenous Jews? 1937 when they rejected the Peel Commission plan? 1947 when they chose war over the Partition? The PA has still rejected every international proposal and walked away from really constructive offers without even bothering with a counter and Hamas is still using violence to try and eliminate the Jewish presence.

All you want is Jews gone from the region and are happy to endorse violence as a means to achieve it. If your view was anything else, you'd at least have the ability to criticize the roadblocks from the Palestinian side, not just the Israeli side.
 

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Hamas fires rockets because Israel invades. Its war. One side alone cannot be blamed.
Sorry but Hamas rockets are not a reasonable response to anything. Weapons that by their very definition are war crimes, not tools of war. Neither is it an act of war when Hamas gunmen shoot up bus stops full of civilians.

There is plenty of room to push for real negotiations along the lines of the Arab League initiative instead of trying to justify attacks explicitly targeting civilians.
 

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That's an antisemitic trope.
Shouting 'Free Palestine' is not antisemitic.
But trying to associate the entire Jewish people with Israel is antisemitic.
You keep trying to pretend that but when a the vandalism is targeting a Jewish owned restaurant, there are protests outside a Jewish owned business, or driving around in areas with plenty of Jews yelling about raping their mothers, it sure as hell is anti-semitic.

It would be unacceptable for people to target Muslim owned business to condemn Saudi Arabia or ISIS. Similarly the protests targeting the Shia mosque north of the city over Iran's violence against women were unacceptable. Hell, you scream racism when I describe Hamas as a designated terrorist entity. Of course just another case where you have completely different standards when it comes to Jews.
 

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None of these peace plans address any of the key demands of the palestinians...
What exactly do you see as these key demands?

Olmert offered a fully contiguous West Bank on land equal to all of the West Bank/Gaza, a land corridor to Gaza, a shared Jerusalem with international oversight, some refugees/descendants allowed to come to Israel, the rest funded to relocate to Palestine, stay in their 'host' country, or settle in a third country like Canada, and international funding for building the Palestinian economy.

Abbas claimed his only issue was he wanted to study the map and wasn't happy with the amount of land swaps but in the months following, he didn't even bother making a counter-proposal. Could you imagine seeing a deal which could have created a realistic Palestinian state, completely in line with the Arab league and UN plans and throw it away simply because of which couple % of the land would be swapped.

Of course he know he'd have a hard time selling it to his own party, let alone Hamas, PIJ, etc.

Peace isn't just offered from one side for the other to accept....
Don't tell that to franky. He keeps saying Israel is responsible for unilaterally enforcing peace.

p.s. the normal way negotiations work is one side makes an offer and the other makes a counter-proposal as they work towards a compromise.
 

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anti-jewish terror apologists love to have ties with neo nazis and white supremacists


The Neo-Nazi ties of the British Pro-Palestinian BDS organisations.



On May 11th 2019, the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign (PSC) along with other organizations held a rally in the centre of London supporting a menagerie of Labour Party members unions and different Palestinian organisations from across the UK who came together to rally against Israel.

This is not the first time that a demo has taken place in London by the PSC, the largest being in 2014 when estimates of 5000 people attended a rally in Trafalgar Square primarily targeting Israel’s defense war “Protective edge” in response to the bombardment of Hamas rockets.

However, over the last decade it has become very clear that the Palestinian cause and their objectives has altered from a red green alliance of NGOs who regularly campaign against Israel, but are now collaborating with the attendance of Neo-Nazi organisations at their UK demonstrations.

It is not by chance that these protests are antisemitic by definition with the chanting of “river to the sea Palestine will be free” (of Jews) but we see many times Palestinian protests in Gaza flying the swastika to humiliate and degrade Jewish people living in Israel.

So why the sudden worry between Palestinian BDS and the very public display with the British fascist far-right (not the alt-right) and more importantly why are the British fascist far-right antisemites backing the Palestinian cause ?

Firstly, it’s extremely important to understand that the main objective of the Nazi far-right organisations in the United Kingdom are politically redundant with no representatives in Parliament. What is dangerous, is that the antisemitic left (red) and islamists (green) are well represented politically, which the British National party and the National front are aware of and can easily slip in through the back door” to support.

The National Front like the BNP are antisemitic, anti immigrant and anti black, but hate Jews more than they hate any pro-immigration policy.

There are a list of traitorous European politicians who claim to be against murdering Islamists and who are then, not surprisingly, labeled by Islamic groups as “Islamophobes”, but end up supporting “Palestine” out of fear of being called “Zionists”. A tangled weave that underlines the danger to the Jews.

Another ploy of British left wing anti-racist organisations, is to call anyone supporting Israel a “white supremacist” or a “Nazi”, and say they’re fighting antisemitism to divert the attention from their own anti zionist agendas and therefore, who cares if the National Front roll up to a Palestinian demo they will ignore as has the MSM (main stream media ) whose sole priority is to condemn Israel first.

An interesting comparison with the ideological mindset of the British National Front is Marine Le Pen a more hidden ally of Palestinians . Being famous in the US for her cat-fight with Madonna, she condemns Islam routinely, making her look attractive to the average proud Frenchman, she also supports “Palestine” for pretty much the same moronic reasons as Nick Griffin. Her father, is, well, the same exact thing so I won’t waste any time writing about it.

Recently, Le Pen lost parliamentary immunity for comparing the Islamic invasion of France to the Nazi invasion of France half a century ago, which to a thoroughbred Frenchman is pretty spot-on. However, one must not be fooled by the politically incorrect façade and look below the surface and past the “Zionist conspiracy” rubbish to see the pro-”Palestinian” agenda.

The argument that Europe should not be involved in the Middle East and that Israel is strong enough to take care of itself certainly has valid points but to then label everything as a “Zionist conspiracy” to drag Europe into Middle Eastern wars, and use this label to get those people to support “Palestine” and their terrorist actions is completely idiotic.

Their argument makes perfect sense: Let’s fight the Islamic hordes on our streets but support the Islamic conquest of a Middle Eastern country just to be against a “Zionist conspiracy” because “Palestinians” will certainly repay the support we give them by supporting us against their fellow Islamic hordes in our own countries!

The British National Party was right all along because the Palestinians BDS supporters clearly support them against “Shariah4UK” and other Islamic groups in Britain in return for their support for the “Palestinian” state. Confused yet ?

Nick Griffin BNP hates Islamism but loves Palestinians that murder Jews and attacked the EDL (English defence league) which they said represented the struggle of the British working class against Islamist invaders, and because the EDL supports Israel.


This is only because the EDL flew Israeli flags, which upset Nick Griffin, because he says that as a British Nationalist he is offended by any “foreign” flag being flown by a group calling itself “patriotic”. Which is funny, given his love for the “Palestinian cause”. Makes perfect sense again ! Claim that you are committed to the fight against Islam, criticize pro-Israel groups for getting involved in foreign conflicts, and then make a tweet about the “horrible suffering” of the “poor oppressed ‘Palestinian’ Islamists”.

(You can also replace The BNP with the NF in the above paragraph).

However this goes much deeper.

The British National party have always said that their support for the Palestinian people outweighs their disgusting distaste of the British people being subjugated to terror attacks and as we’ve seen over the past decade the terror attacks that have taken place in London all been perpetrated by Islamic terrorism.

So how does that play in the minds of a British National party supporter?

The NF use the same excuses that they hate Israel because of the bombing of British Army in British controlled Palestine. But failed to mention the last decade of terror attacks that have taken the lives of British people by Islamic terrorism.

So, in affect what they’re doing is excusing the British people that they supposedly represent being murdered by Islamic terrorism but supporting the terrorism when it murders the Jews. Not only is this rank hypocrisy but it’s also a very dangerous precedent even though it’s a well-known ploy.

The idea that the far right in the UK is potentially a political threat to Jews is wrong .

What we need to be afraid of is the coordination and collaboration they have with the vitriolic political left and anti racist, anti Israel movements.

 

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When exactly have the Palestinian leadership been willing to make a deal?
Check the Palestine papers, Abbas offered everything Israel wanted and still they said no.

All you want is Jews gone from the region
This is slander.
Post this again and I'll report you to the mods.
How many times do I have to post support for BDS , equal rights and/or the one state solution?

Again, Israel is sliding towards what the PA is (and is nowhere near what Hamas is).

Amazing that you claim Ben Gvir is horrible but stay silent on the Palestinian leadership.
I've repeatedly called on both Hamas and Israel to be investigated by the ICC for all war crimes reported by human rights organizations.
Now that you're admitting Israel is morally equivalent there is no reason for you not to join that call.

Sorry but Hamas rockets are not a reasonable response to anything. Weapons that by their very definition are war crimes, not tools of war.
Israel regularly uses indiscriminate weapons, shelling Gaza and using tank fire. Israel commits the same crimes and you support them.
Plus Israel also regularly targets civilians and civilian infrastructure.
So why do you support Israel when they do things that you think Hamas should be charged for?

You keep trying to pretend that but when a the vandalism is targeting a Jewish owned restaurant, there are protests outside a Jewish owned business, or driving around in areas with plenty of Jews yelling about raping their mothers, it sure as hell is anti-semitic.
You're still claiming its antisemitic to write 'Free Palestine'.
That's another antisemitic trope, that has nothing to do with the Jewish people, just Israeli colonization and occupation.
There are plenty of Jewish organizations that are against the occupation and apartheid.
 
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The world wide support of the Palestinian people is such a delight to watch, people are finally waking up to the brutal and inhumane treatment of the Zionists on the Palestinians. So many Jews are even against the evil Zionists, better late than never.
 

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‘Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism,’ Rules German Judge
Ruling against participants in pro-Gaza rally notes that ‘Zionist’ is really just a code word for ‘Jew’
By | February 3, 2015



A German judge last week equated condemnation of Zionism with anti-Semitism, undercutting the arguments of many who claim that hostile criticism of Israel is not the same as hating the Jews.

In judging the case of 24-year-old Taylan Can, a German citizen of Turkish decent known for is anti-Israel activism, Judge Gauri Sastry refused to allow the defendant to hide behind the notion of legitimate criticism of the Jewish state.

Can was ultimately convicted for incitement against an ethnic minority for his role in a July 18, 2014 demonstration in Essen, Germany, where he and others used the term “Zionist” to stir up anger against Israel and local Jewish residents.

At his hearing, Can insisted he was not an anti-Semite, and was merely opposed to the policies of the State of Israel. But Judge Sastry was having none of it. Die Welt quoted her as clarifying that “‘Zionist’ is the language of anti-Semites, the code for ‘Jew.’”

It was likely that particular portion of Judge Sastry’s ruling would be overturned when Can appealed to higher courts, but European Jewish groups nevertheless praised the unprecedented and bold decision that had publicly unmasked one of the more dangerous lies of our times.

PHOTO: Pro-Gaza rally in Essen, Germany last summer

'Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism,' Rules German Judge - Israel Today
This ruling will make things worse in the long run. Looks like history repeating itself,
 

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This ruling will make things worse in the long run. Looks like history repeating itself,
There has been a massive attempt to try to label criticism of Israel as antisemitic in order to stop debate of Israeli apartheid.
Its come through the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, who came up with a definition of antisemitism they are trying to sell governments.

Independent Jewish Voices Canada explains it well.
 
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Fatah Chair Identified as Attendee at Canadian Palestinian Solidarity Parliamentary Event
The world wide support of the Palestinian people is such a delight to watch, people are finally waking up to the brutal and inhumane treatment of the Zionists on the Palestinians. So many Jews are even against the evil Zionists, better late than never.

Will you condemn hamas?
 

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Fatah Chair Identified as Attendee at Canadian Palestinian Solidarity Parliamentary Event


Will you condemn hamas?
I’m on the side of the oppressed even if the oppressors are my own people.

What specific obsession do you have with Zionists?
 
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