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Pot Meets Kettle

Hamas lobby group in the UK accuses Israeli lawmakers of racism
Judging by the full on support of apartheid here, accusing Israeli lawmakers of racism is a given.
If you're leading an apartheid country, how can you possibly not be racist?
If you're defending apartheid, how can you possibly not be racist?

 

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Judging by the full on support of apartheid here, accusing Israeli lawmakers of racism is a given.
If you're leading an apartheid country, how can you possibly not be racist?
If you're defending apartheid, how can you possibly not be racist?


Why are you defending terrorist organizations?

 

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You mean like Amnesty, who you called 'terrorist propaganda'?
Why are you, a self identifying black Canadian, defending apartheid?

 

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You mean like Amnesty, who you called 'terrorist propaganda'?
Why are you, a self identifying black Canadian, defending apartheid?


HIDING BEHIND THE SKIRTS OF ANTI-SEMITISM @ HARVARD


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January 26th, 2023
Dear Reader,
For this week’s newsletter, researcher Joseph Leone investigated the suppression of Palestinian speech at the Harvard Kennedy School, in the wake of an uproar over the school denying a fellowship to former Human Rights Watch leader Kenneth Roth over his organization’s criticisms of Israeli human rights abuses. Roth was ultimately granted the fellowship, but concerns remain about the school’s ongoing campaign to shut down speech by Palestinian students and other supporters of Palestine on campus.
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The Editors​
Last week, Douglas Elmendorf, the dean of Harvard’s Kennedy School (HKS), made a surprising about-face. In July 2022, HKS denied a fellowship to Kenneth Roth, the former long-time head of Human Rights Watch (HRW), because of his work documenting Israel’s human rights abuses against Palestinians, The Nation reported in an article published this month. Elmendorf had overruled the leadership of the school’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, which had wanted to host Roth as a senior fellow, attributing this decision to what he deemed Roth and HRW’s “anti-Israel bias,” according to the article.
Following a wave of condemnation, including a letter calling for Roth’s reinstatement and Elmendorf’s resignation, signed by over 1,000 Harvard students, alumni, and faculty, the dean reversed his decision to blacklist Roth. He also said in a statement that his decision was “not made to limit debate at the Kennedy School about human rights in any country.” HKS professor Kathryn Sikkink, however, told The Nation that Elmendorf had told her explicitly that HRW’s record on Israel was the reason for the reversal on Roth, leading to widespread speculation that pressure from pro-Israel donors to the school had influenced his decision. While Elmendorf, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office, has denied donor involvement, Roth told Jewish Currents that “he hasn’t offered any convincing alternative. So the ball is in his court to explain.”
The Roth episode exposed the limits of academic freedom at HKS, a staging ground for some of the world’s most powerful leaders in the US and globally. As such, the school’s decisions to legitimize certain views while marginalizing others have an impact on the political landscape well beyond the Harvard campus.
An investigation by Jewish Currents including interviews with over two dozen students, alumni, faculty, and administrators at Harvard suggests that speech supporting Palestinian liberation was suppressed at HKS well before Elmendorf’s arrival in 2016. (This reporter is a recent graduate of the Harvard Kennedy School.) For years, sources say, the school’s administration consistently offered a platform to high-profile members of the Israeli government, intelligence, and military establishment—and obstructed efforts led by Palestinian students to bring alternative voices to campus. The school’s actions suggest a systematic pattern of discrimination against Palestinian students, along with those who speak out for Palestinian rights.
“Clearly the censorship of critics of Israel is a problem that is far broader than my case,” Roth told Jewish Currents. “The fact that Harvard capitulated in my case, when I had the capacity to mobilize massive public attention, doesn’t say a lot about what it would do in a less visible case,” he added. “I continue to worry about less visible critics of the Israeli government.”
Through a uniquely applied toolkit of red tape and long delays, the HKS administration has used the grind of bureaucracy to shut down speech, demoralizing Palestinian students into foregoing the school as a venue for discussing these topics. “It made us feel unwelcome at the school,” Nadim Houssain, a recent Palestinian HKS graduate, told Jewish Currents. “It felt that we were up against the institution, and it seemed to be contrary to the ethos of the university’s mission of being open to free speech.”
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Founded in 1999, the Carr Center at HKS has long served as a hub for scholars, activists, and policymakers from around the world to gather and address global human rights issues. The recent incident involving Roth was not the first time the center faced interference from the HKS administration over Palestine. In 2012, the institution was scheduled to co-sponsor “Israel/Palestine and the One-State Solution,” a conference intended to convene academics, journalists, activists, and legal scholars to discuss what a future democratic Israeli-Palestinian state could look like. The gathering was organized by six student organizations, spearheaded by the HKS Palestine Caucus. (Student groups at the Kennedy School, like the Palestine Caucus, are entirely student-run and regularly host events and speakers on HKS grounds, bringing a multiplicity of diverse perspectives to campus.)

At first, conference planning ran smoothly. Student organizers told Jewish Currents that they successfully reserved the Kennedy School’s largest event space, received seed money from the Harvard Provost’s Office, and secured the Carr Center’s co-sponsorship. But the concept of the conference spurred a backlash from conservative Zionist voices both within and outside Harvard. In response to these complaints, David Ellwood, Elmendorf’s predecessor, began working to distance the Kennedy School from the event. Ellwood, an economist and a former assistant secretary at the US Department of Health and Human Services, had served as the school’s dean since 2004. He and John Haigh, then-HKS executive dean, pressured Charlie Clements, the Carr Center’s executive director at the time, to revoke its sponsorship of the conference and remove any trace of his or the center’s involvement with the event. Clements conceded. “I thought seriously about this and if it was worth losing my job over,” Clements told Jewish Currents. “I decided that the event taking place [even without Carr Center sponsorship] was more important than my making a big stand about it.” Timothy Patrick McCarthy, then a lecturer in public policy and director of the Carr Center’s sexuality, gender, and human rights program, a co-sponsor of the event, told Jewish Currents, “We were removed by the force of institutional intimidation.” Despite Ellwood’s efforts to stigmatize the conference, its organizers went forward with the event. (Ellwood and HKS administration declined to comment; Haigh could not be reached for comment.)
Elmendorf’s arrival as dean in 2016 did nothing to alter these dynamics. Under his leadership, students have regularly faced obstacles when attempting to host events on Palestine. In 2017, the Human Rights Professional Interest Council (PIC), an HKS student group, planned to hold an event where Avner Gvaryahu, co-director of Breaking the Silence—an organization of Israeli veterans working to shed light on the occupation of Palestine —and Issa Amro, a co-founder of the Palestinian organization Youth Against Settlements, would discuss human rights in Palestine/Israel. The organizers felt they had tried to hold a nuanced discussion, representing a diversity of perspectives and experiences. “I had not expected this amount of pushback,” Imani Franklin, one of the student event organizers, told Jewish Currents. Yet members of the student services staff at HKS still had concerns. In emails to Franklin, an HKS student services staff assistant wrote that Gvaryahu and Amro appeared “to share similar stances on issues,” on the topic of Palestine/Israel. HKS, the email said, sought to host events where “both sides of an issue” were represented, so as “to avoid the dismissal of other viewpoints.”

“It felt like what he was really asking was to include a panelist who supported the occupation,” Franklin said. The requirement, she recalled, “had a chilling effect.” Ultimately, this event did not take place: After the long delays in securing the event space and the administration’s approval, Gvaryahu was no longer available. Discouraged, the student organizers did not try to reschedule it.
The next flashpoint came in February 2019, when the Palestine Caucus arranged for a talk to be held on the HKS campus with Ahmed Abu Artema, a Palestinian journalist who had recently helped organize and document the Great March of Return, a series of weekly demonstrations in Gaza. But the school again threw up roadblocks. After conferring with HKS leaders including Elmendorf and Tarek Masoud, faculty director of the HKS Middle East Initiative, Melissa Wojciechowski St. John, senior director of student services, wrote to the organizers in an email that the event could go forward only under three conditions: restrict attendance to people affiliated with Harvard, effectively closing it to the public; require that the organizers specify in their promotional material that it was “not officially sponsored by the school or co-sponsored by any outside organization”; and allow Masoud to moderate it. The last stipulation was notable because, as several people told Jewish Currents, much of the Palestinian community at HKS views Masoud as unsympathetic to their concerns. “He’s seen as a legitimizing source of truth on all things Middle East, yet he fails to consult Palestinians when it comes to Palestine/Israel-related initiatives,” Samer Hjouj, a recent Palestinian graduate of HKS, told Jewish Currents. In response, Masoud said that he consults widely on MEI activities. “I’ve never turned away an offer of advice. I always encourage everyone in our community— Palestinian, Israeli, and otherwise—to reach out whenever they think we can do something better,” he added.
In her email, Wojciechowski St. John reminded the Caucus that these policies exist “to avoid situations in which outside groups are inappropriately using HKS students and resources to advance their own agenda.” The organizers found a different solution: hosting the event at Harvard Law School, free of these restrictions.
Meanwhile, beyond the Harvard campus, the political climate for Palestinian rights activists was becoming more dire. By April 2019, 27 US states had passed anti-boycott laws that punish businesses or individuals who call for or engage in boycotts against Israel or its illegal settlements. To draw attention to these attacks on speech, in April 2019, a coalition of 12 HKS student groups, including the Business and Government PIC and the Black Student Union, organized a talk at HKS titled “BDS: Examining the Case for Economic and Cultural Boycotts.” It was set to feature Omar Barghouti, a Palestinian human rights advocate and a co-founder of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement for Palestinian rights. But, as with the Artema episode, administrators imposed strict conditions on the event, Hjouj and other student organizers said. They would allow the students to host the talk on campus only if they enlisted a member of the Harvard faculty to moderate it—Barghouti was too controversial, they said. The students did as requested, securing Cornel West, then a professor at the Harvard Divinity School, as a moderator. Then, two weeks prior to the event, Wojciechowski St. John rejected West, on the grounds that he would be “too radical,” and required that the students ask a faculty chair at HKS to moderate instead. In response, the students decided to take the event, moderated by West, to Harvard College, the university’s school for undergraduates. (Wojciechowski St. John could not be reached for comment.)
Muath Ibaid, a recent HKS public policy graduate from the occupied West Bank and former head of the student Palestine Caucus, described HKS’s treatment of Palestinian students as absurd. “When you’re booking a room for an [on-campus] event, you have people advising you to make it as vague as possible so that they [administrators] don’t block it or ignore it. If you put the word ‘Palestine’ in any title, it’s going to trigger all kinds of red flags and you are not going to get approval for even a room reservation.” Through this restrictive approach, he said, the Kennedy School administration has succeeded in driving most Palestinian events off campus.
HKS administrators continued deploying this strategy in February 2020, when the Palestine Caucus sought to hold an event at the school with anthropologist Sa’ed Atshan, an HKS alumnus known for his scholarship on Palestine and LGBTQ social movements. Per HKS protocol, the Caucus filed a request to host the event in a room in one of its buildings 55 days before the event’s scheduled date, emails reviewed by Jewish Currents show; HKS administration typically approves such requests within days of their filing. Yet six weeks after the students filed their request, and 13 days before the talk was set to occur, the administration refused to approve it unless the students agreed to restrict attendance to Harvard student-ID holders and arrange for security guards to monitor the event. They also refused to allow Atshan to promote his books and required that Masoud serve as its sole moderator. Once again, students gave up on HKS and took the event to the law school. “It was very sad for me as a Kennedy School alum to be treated like this by my alma mater. It was so offensive,” Atshan said.
Masoud was more sanguine about the school’s protocols. “I support our students’ efforts to bring Palestinian perspectives to campus,” he told Jewish Currents, “I also think the dean is not unreasonable to be concerned about possible incivility when topics are controversial and audiences include people from outside of the University community. When I’ve been asked by the School to moderate events like the one with Dr. Atshan, I’ve agreed because I wanted to do what I could to ensure that the students could hold the event, and to be responsive to the dean’s desire to ensure that HKS events are characterized by civil, open discourse.” Elmendorf’s office declined to comment beyond the dean’s aforementioned statement on the Roth incident.
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While Palestinian students struggle to find a platform on HKS grounds, school administrators regularly welcome members of the Israeli government and military establishment. Both former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni and former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak have recently served as HKS fellows despite their roles in Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s assault on Gaza in 2008 and 2009 that killed over 1,400 Palestinians, the majority of whom were civilians. Other high-level Israeli officials frequently invited to speak at HKS include former directors of Mossad, high-ranking military officials, and cabinet members. Most recently, the Kennedy School welcomed Amos Yadlin, a retired Israeli major general, as a senior fellow for the 2021–2022 academic year. As the former chief of Israeli military intelligence, Yadlin oversaw the surveillance of Palestinians living under Israeli military rule. A few months before the contested Palestine Caucus event with Abu Artema, the HKS Israel Caucus hosted a talk with reservists from the Israeli military co-sponsored by Reservists on Duty, an Israeli NGO that conducts “public relations, on behalf of Israel,” according to the group’s website. The group’s involvement would seem to violate HKS’s concerns about outside organizations “inappropriately using HKS students and resources to advance their own agenda,” but the then-co-chair of the Israel caucus told Jewish Currents that the group did not face any pushback from the administration around this event. Indeed, none of the 37 leaders of HKS student organizations surveyed by Jewish Currents reported facing the types of restrictions imposed on the Palestinian events described here (with the partial exception of a group called the Criminal Justice PIC that on one occasion was required to limit an event to Harvard ID holders).
“HKS will preach this idea of being open and tolerant of other ideas and therefore will not outright say no,” Hjouj, the former leader of the Palestine Caucus, explained. “They will just make it so hard for you that you’ll end up having to do it elsewhere. After this happened multiple times, we learned our lesson.”
Palestinian students have faced similar frustrations across the Harvard campus. In 2021, Cornel West (who, full disclosure, sits on the Jewish Currents advisory board) left his position as a professor of the practice of public philosophy at the Harvard Divinity School after being denied tenure. In his resignation letter, he cited “Harvard administration’s hostility to the Palestinian cause” as one of the reasons for his departure. The law school, meanwhile, frequently provides a platform for anti-Palestinian figures, including a 2019 event with Dani Dayan, the Israeli Consul General in New York and a leader of the illegal settlement movement, prompting a student walkout in protest. Harvard University’s endowment, meanwhile, invests hundreds of millions of dollars in companies that enable human rights abuses in Palestine and violate international law by operating in the settlements.
In the wake of Elmendorf’s reversal on Roth, Palestinians at Harvard and their allies are calling for a broader reckoning with what they see as the university’s anti-Palestinian discrimination. With support for Palestinian rights growing at Harvard, as in the broader US, it remains to be seen how long the administration can continue to ignore these demands.​

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Unsurprisingly, the horrific violence Israel instigated on the Jenin refugee camp has lead to a reprisal attack by a single Palestinian, resulting in 7 deaths.
This was an act of terrorism, as the people killed were civilians. It was a horrific act and terrible loss of life.
As was the raid and attack on refugees in Jenin, a horrific act with a terrible loss of life.

Israel needs a de-escalate the violence, they are the occupying power and they instigated this round.
Both sides need to stop the violence.

Maybe its time to bring in the blue hats to end the occupation and apartheid.

 
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You mean like Amnesty, who you called 'terrorist propaganda'?
Why are you, a self identifying black Canadian, defending apartheid?


why do you continue to defend terrorism and anti-semitic attacks against Jews and Israel?



defending PFLP Terrorist organization



defending the Fatah organization that recently called for terrorist attacks against Israel



defending a voilent anti-semitic organization "Within our lifetime"




defending hamas again



franky saying the intafada(terrorism and against israelis and jews) is resistance

 

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Jenin operation: 'We eliminated a ticking time-bomb' says senior IDF officer
Islamic Jihad erected 30 barricades to prevent IDF from entering Jenin, to no avail.



A senior IDF officer has revealed further details of Thursday morning's successful counterterrorism operation in the Jenin refugee camp, in the course of which terrorists actively plotting a major attack were eliminated.

"We eliminated a ticking time-bomb in the form of Islamic Jihad terrorists who were planning a series of attacks on the homefront," the officer said.

Although security forces attempted to penetrate the camp without being detected, terrorists were still expecting them and set up a warning system as well as 30 separate barricades to block their entry. As soon as the IDF and special forces officers were spotted, gunfire broke out, first targeting a jeep carrying a senior IDF commander.

Meanwhile, special forces officers entered the camp disguised as Arabs, concealed on a truck carrying milk. They congregated in the vicinity of the home of one of the wanted terrorists, surrounding the building. A huge fire-fight broke out during the course of which at least three terrorists were killed by Israeli fire, terrorists belonging to Islamic Jihad who had been in the process of planning to execute a series of "significant" terrorist attacks.

According to Palestinian reports, eight Palestinian-Arabs were killed, including a 60-year-old woman, and several others were injured, some of them seriously. With regard to the civilian allegedly caught in the crossfire, an IDF spokesman said that, "We are familiar with the claim that a Palestinian civilian was wounded. The circumstances of the incident are under investigation."

In addition, two wanted terrorists were identified as they attempted to flee from the scene. Security forces fired at them and they were neutralized, according to sources. "One of the wanted men who had barricaded himself inside the building later gave himself up to security forces at the scene. IDF engineers then entered the building in order to set off a controlled explosion of two bombs that the wanted men had been planning to use. A fourth wanted man was located within the building and he too was neutralized."



IDF sources added that, "A number of armed men were identified and hit. We are examining allegations that additional people were killed due to the exchange of fire. No injuries were identified among security forces."

Meanwhile, IDF forces in the area are being bolstered by paratroopers, due to warnings of revenge attacks. Furthermore, Iron Dome batteries are being readied in the event of significant missile fire from Gaza.

Responding to the morning's events, the office of PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas said that the IDF operation was a "premeditated crime and slaughter," and that it was calling on the international community to intervene. According to the Al Jazeera network, Islamic Jihad issued a warning to the Israeli government that if the incursions into Jenin do not cease, "all options are open."

Jenin operation: 'We eliminated a ticking time-bomb' says senior IDF officer | ערוץ 7 (israelnationalnews.com)
 

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No, this is a lie.
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Yet you have never condemned attacks on Jewish civilians in the West bank and have always argued that they aren't actually civilians despite what the rights groups you support claim.

I'm sure you will claim this as Palestinian's right to self defence because it occurred in East Jerusalem.

And I don't know about sane people but you sure seem happy to quote Amnesty statements when they criticize Israel but reject them when they Criticize any Palestinians, Arabs, or Persians.
 

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Timeline:
- Israel goes to arrest suspects. Since you claim Israel occupies the West Bank it is their legal responsibility to maintain order.
- PIJ and Fatah fighters (including a PA security officer) open fire on the arrest team.
- Israel shoots back and kills 8 fighters and one innocent woman who looked out her window during the gun battle.
- Gaza terrorist use this as an excuse to launch what Amnesty, HRW, et al condemn as war crime rockets
- Another terrorists waits outside a synagogue and shoots 10 people, killing 7 before getting killed.

And we know you will be including the dead terrorist in your tallies of "innocent" Palestinians "murdered" by Israel.
 

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Timeline:
- Israel goes to arrest suspects. Since you claim Israel occupies the West Bank it is their legal responsibility to maintain order.
- PIJ and Fatah fighters (including a PA security officer) open fire on the arrest team.
- Israel shoots back and kills 8 fighters and one innocent woman who looked out her window during the gun battle.
- Gaza terrorist use this as an excuse to launch what Amnesty, HRW, et al condemn as war crime rockets
- Another terrorists waits outside a synagogue and shoots 10 people, killing 7 before getting killed.

And we know you will be including the dead terrorist in your tallies of "innocent" Palestinians "murdered" by Israel.
Raiding a refugee camp, killing 10 and wounding countless others is not 'maintaining order'.
That was instigating this round of violence.
Do you also claim that Putin's missiles are 'maintaining order'?

You should like Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and these fine people.

No wonder global polls now look like this.
 

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Raiding a refugee camp, killing 10 and wounding countless others is not 'maintaining order'.
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What a surprise that you try to claim that 9 militants (who were claimed as militants by the PA and their own terrorist groups) were murdered by evil Israel while they were peacefully shooting at troops.


And no comment on the terrorist massacre at a synagogue? What a surprise.
Palestinian terrorist shoots 7 dead in ‘murderous rampage’ at Jerusalem synagogue
Police kill the lone gunman, who fled scene of Shabbat eve attack in Neve Yaakov neighborhood, opened fire on officers; celebrations in West Bank, Gaza; IDF bolsters forces

Seven people were shot and killed and at least three others were wounded in a terror shooting attack at a synagogue in Jerusalem’s Neve Yaakov neighborhood, police and medics said Friday night.
According to police, the terrorist arrived by car at 8:13 p.m. at the synagogue in the East Jerusalem neighborhood and opened fire at people outside the synagogue and other passersby.
He is believed to have waited outside the synagogue until Shabbat prayers ended, then opened fire on worshipers as they walked outside.
He then fled the scene by car toward the Palestinian neighborhood of Beit Hanina — several hundred meters away — where, about five minutes later, he encountered officers who were called to the scene.
Police said the terrorist — a resident of East Jerusalem — was shot dead after he exited the car and opened fire on the officers while trying to escape on foot.


According to Channel 12 news, the terrorist first shot an elderly woman in the street, then encountered a motorcycle rider and shot him, before reaching the Ateret Avraham synagogue and opening fire at people outside.
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MDA said the dead were five men, aged 20, 25, 30, 50, and 60, and two women, aged 60 and 70.

The victims were not immediately named.


The wounded victims included a 15-year-old boy in moderate-to-serious condition, a 24-year-old man in moderate condition, and a 60-year-woman, also in moderate condition.







p.s. Love when you promote equal rights by posting people who want Jews gone.
 
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What a surprise that you try to claim that 9 militants (who were claimed as militants by the PA and their own terrorist groups) were murdered by evil Israel while they were peacefully shooting at troops.


And no comment on the terrorist massacre at a synagogue? What a surprise.
I commented this afternoon.

Israel raided a refugee camp and killed 10 people, followed by two rockets fired in Gaza by PIJ, followed by Israel bombing more refugee camps in Gaza.
That has instigated another round of tit for tat violence.
The Jerusalem killings are just as horrid as all the other killings.

The occupation or apartheid has to stop.
That is the only way to stop the violence.
Implement sanctions until Israel abides by UN resolutions and respects international law and basic human rights.

You have no solutions and propose only more death, more land theft/settler colonization and more apartheid.
 

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I commented this afternoon.

Israel raided a refugee camp and killed 10 people, followed by two rockets fired in Gaza by PIJ, followed by Israel bombing more refugee camps in Gaza.
That has instigated another round of tit for tat violence.
The Jerusalem killings are just as horrid as all the other killings.
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Ah, the racist attempt to justify attacks on Jewish civilians while saying Palestinian militants should be protected while shooting at Israeli troops.

Israel went to arrest suspected criminals. PIJ and Fatah fighters decided to start a gun battle and got killed during their attack. There is no comparison to a guy hunting down random Jews leaving their prayers. It's disgusting that you keep trying to justify it.

Fuck, you won't even describe it as terrorism.

You have no solutions
I know you're a war monger who wants Jews ethnically cleansed from Israel but my solution is the same solution as the UN, Canada, and even the Arab league. Far better than your support for Palestinian militants killing off Jews.
 

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I know you're a war monger who wants Jews ethnically cleansed from Israel but my solution is the same solution as the UN, Canada, and even the Arab league. Far better than your support for Palestinian militants killing off Jews.
You're lying, basketcase.

There should be a negotiated two state peace but there is no giving "back" land.
You support stealing as much of Palestine and not giving it back.
That is not settling for the two state solution.
That is racist, colonial settler violence.

Canada, and the world's, support for the two state solution is the same as Hamas', a full state based on the 1967 borders.
You want to create apartheid bantustans and like Netanyahu, think all the land is Israel's, from Al Aqsa to Jerusalem, to the West Bank and Gaza.

Never again includes making sure it doesn't happen to others, including Palestinians.

Canada condemned the Jenin attack and the Jerusalem attack and called for deescalation.
Respect human rights.
As I did here.
 
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You're lying, basketcase.
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Except your entire posting history backs me up.

Palestinians hate a One State solution. Israelis hate a One State solution (not that you care) yet you still demand Israel force Palestinians into it.

And considering you are against Israel trying to arrest suspected violent attackers, how do you propose Israel force Palestinians to accept a One State peace?



p.s Disgusting that you use a tweet mentioning the Holocaust and the terror attack in Jerusalem while still refusing to admit it was terrorism.
 

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Except your entire posting history backs me up.

Palestinians hate a One State solution. Israelis hate a One State solution (not that you care) yet you still demand Israel force Palestinians into it.

And considering you are against Israel trying to arrest suspected violent attackers, how do you propose Israel force Palestinians to accept a One State peace?



p.s Disgusting that you use a tweet mentioning the Holocaust and the terror attack in Jerusalem while still refusing to admit it was terrorism.
Only 33% of Palestinians support the two state solution any more, basketcase.
86% of Palestinians don't trust Israelis now, either, which is why the one state solution remains unpopular.
70% say the two state solution is no longer possible.


The two state solution is dead and unpopular.
The one state solution without equal rights (apartheid) is in place.
So the only reasonable action is to sanction Israel until equal rights are enacted.
End apartheid.

So what are you going to do?
 
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Only 33% of Palestinians support the two state solution any more, basketcase.
86% of Palestinians don't trust Israelis now, either, which is why the one state solution remains unpopular.
70% say the two state solution is no longer possible.


The two state solution is dead and unpopular.
The one state solution without equal rights (apartheid) is in place.
So the only reasonable action is to sanction Israel until equal rights are enacted.
End apartheid.

So what are you going to do?

THOMAS FRIEDMAN: CONSIGLIERE?


Thomas L. Friedman’s Israel: The krytron and the cholent heater
Social media is trending opinion writer Thomas Friedman of The New York Times seeming to offer more timely though mild criticism of Israel and its U.S. lobby as they drag America ever closer to disaster. For decades Friedman has run cleverly disguised cover stories for Israel from his top tier establishment media perch whenever an existential crisis emerged. Now, as always, Friedman diverts America’s attention away from the real story. His tactics include advancing evidence-free claims that Israel somehow benefits the U.S. and executing international and domestic pressure campaigns in concert with Israel lobby “experts” while ignoring uncomfortable historical facts that don’t support his narrative.
In a recent podcast with fellow 2003 Iraq invasion supporter Peter Beinart, Friedman fretted that “the prospect for a two-state solution has all but vanished” making that argument as if such a two-state prospect was ever anything more than a ruse designed to give Israel time to finish ethnically cleansing Palestinians and annexing their most desirable territories.
In a recent opinion piece Friedman urged President Biden to “save” Israel’s “democracy” from becoming an “illiberal bastion of zealotry” as if Israel has not inherently been such a bastion lording over millions of expulsed, disenfranchised and abused Palestinians.

“If you ask me, that is now the most likely outcome — a total mess that will leave Israel no longer being a bedrock of stability for the region and for its American ally, but instead, a cauldron of instability and a source of anxiety for the U.S. government.”

“What in the world is happening to israel?” The New York Times, December 15, 2022


Israel has never been a “bedrock of stability” for the U.S. as Friedman claims unless one defines proliferating nuclear weapons into the Middle East against the policy of JFK, constant war with neighbors and premeditated territorial acquisitions as “stability.” For Friedman, the West Bank and Golan heights are all territories Israel merely acquired through “war.” Unmentioned by Friedman is that Israel launched the first strikes of the 1967 Six-Day War and preplanned how to occupy the subsequently captured territories. The war was entirely avoidable.
Friedman’s most recent fretting over Israel is that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is engaged in a judicial overhaul that would undermine the Israeli Supreme Court’s alleged deep protection of minority rights and opposition to annexing the West Bank. But near the end of his critique Friedman admits the underlying reason for the overhaul would be to give Netanyahu the ability to toss out the ongoing bribery, fraud and breach of trust cases brought against him by Israel’s attorney general. Friedman himself way back in 1985 helped initially cover up the significance of the origins of Netanyahu’s self-inflicted predicament—Netanyahu’s corrupt dealings with Hollywood movie producer and Israeli spy Arnon Milchan.
“This is going to have a profound effect on U.S.-Israel relations. But don’t take my word for it. On Oct. 1, Axios published a story quoting what sources said Senator Bob Menendez, the New Jersey Democrat who leads the Foreign Relations Committee, told Netanyahu during a trip to Israel in September. In the words of one source, the senator warned that if Netanyahu formed a government after the Nov. 1 elections that included right-wing extremists, it could ‘seriously erode bipartisan support in Washington.'”
“The Israel We Knew Is Gone” The New York Times, November 4, 2022


Friedman hand-wrings that U.S. support for Israel will be jeopardized. The idea that anything other than an abrupt cutoff of campaign contributions could have a serious impact on “bipartisan support” in Washington, especially among the likes of Senator Bob Menendez, is risible. As Abraham Feinberg, long-term fundraiser who organized President Truman’s “whistle stop” campaign disclosed long ago, his own and the Israel lobby’s “path to power” were large quantities of what all American politicians most need, “campaign money.”

While it is tempting to believe Friedman has had some kind of change of heart and is starting to drop his knee jerk Israel surrogacy in times of crisis, even Friedman’s recent writing reveals the deeply dishonest influencer ever trying to advance Israeli interests while diverting away from issues of primary concern to Americans.

One recent example is Friedman teaming up with “Israel’s lawyer” Dennis Ross to coerce Saudi Arabia into “Abraham Accord” diplomatic recognition and formalized economic ties with Israel shortly before Israel’s most recent elections.

“For Israel, peace with Saudi Arabia is the big prize. It opens the door to peace with the whole Sunni Muslim world and access to an immense pool of investment capital…Dennis Ross, a former U.S. Middle East envoy, told me that, for starters, the Saudis could offer to open a commercial trade office in Tel Aviv, which would serve Saudi economic interests and ‘be a big psychological move toward Israel.'”
“Only Saudi Arabia and Israeli Arabs Can Save Israel as a Jewish Democracy” The New York Times, July 15, 2022


Why the Saudis would want to make such major concessions to Israel (and risk billions more of its sovereign wealth to Israeli boondoggles such as WeWork or “Project Jonah“) and finally bury sensible “precursor to peace” demands for justice for Palestinians in the Saudi Arab peace plan were unexplored.
It is more worthwhile to review Friedman’s newly relevant 1985 New York Times piece absolving Netanyahu and his co-conspirator Hollywood movie producer Arnon Milchan of crimes against the U.S. The pair’s corrupt dealings went far beyond the champagne and cigars with which Israeli courts charge Milchan plied Netanyahu for favors detailed in Israeli corruption charges and breathlessly reported in the Israeli press.
In the 1970s and 1980s Arnon Milchan’s network of front companies, working with Israel’s Ministry of Defense, were caught red-handed by the U.S. illegally exporting high speed switches from California to Israel. Upon somehow hearing about secret grand jury deliberations over the lowest ranking member of the smuggling operation, Richard Kelly Smyth, Friedman quickly swung into action locating and interviewing Arnon Milchan who had quite suddenly decamped from the U.S.

Mr. Milchan added, ”I told him that maybe one of the 30 companies I own around the world was buying or selling these things, but I have not been involved in these businesses for 12 years.”
Mr. Milchan said that when he arrived in Israel on Sunday night, he turned on television only to hear his name mentioned on the news in connection with a Newsweek article asserting that he was ”implicated in the case” of a purported effort to smuggle krytrons from the United States to Israel.
‘Started to Find Out’
At that point, Mr. Milchan said, he ”started to find out what is a krytron.”
Israeli radio broadcasters have on occasion mistakenly referred to the devices as ”Krypton” – the name of theplanet on which the comic-book hero Superman was born, and from which green kryptonite, a rock that could render him powerless, originated.
”I found out,” Mr. Milchan said, ”that a krytron was a small little gizmo which anyone can can go buy freely in the United States. You can use them for all kinds of things, including, incidentally, making cholent.”
Cholent is a stew of beans, carrots, potatoes and beef that is a traditional Jewish dish prepared on Friday night for eating on the Sabbath. Mr. Milchan said that with a krytron timer a stove could be set to turn on automatically to heat up the cholent on the Sabbath, without anyone working to light the fire.
ISRAELIS DENY KNOWING OF EXPORT BAR FOR DEVICE USABLE IN A-BOMB, The New York Times, May 18, 1985

It was not until the year 2012 that IRmep finally obtained and released FBI files about the Israeli operation called “Project Pinto” detailing Netanyahu’s direct involvement in the smuggling operation. The 810 krytons were shipped to Israel’s Ministry of Defense through Milchan’s “Heli Trading” company where Netanyahu was employed. The krytrons were obviously destined to upgrade Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons arsenal. It also later emerged that Arnon Milchan was a longtime spy for LAKAM, Israel’s covert espionage network tasked with stealing and smuggling sensitive military—especially nuclear weapons related—technology. Lakam was earlier involved in penetrating and stealing enough U.S. Navy weapons grade uranium from the NUMEC facility, a smuggling front company owned and operated by Zionist Organization of America operatives, for a dozen atomic weapons. There were never any criminal charges in the U.S. over the “NUMEC affair.”
In short, the krytrons were obviously not destined for heating a stew made of “beans, carrots, potatoes and beef” as Friedman so faithfully reported. Netanyahu in 2013-2014 successfully pressured the State Department, which knew all about the smuggling, to issue Milchan a 10-year visa to work and live in the U.S.
It is highly unlikely that Friedman has altered his primary function as a surrogate for Israel at America’s “newspaper of record.” Friedman’s admissions of obvious facts about the apartheid settler colonial nuclear state’s continued descent into darkness come too late, and have long been better and more credibly documented by far more reliable sources, albeit with far less reach.
The real story that Friedman is carefully steering around is that Israel and its lobby are dragging America down with increasing speed. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC’s recent massive direct (as opposed to indirect) interventions in U.S. elections replaced somewhat less compromised politicians with a new cadre of fellow surrogates willing to do almost anything for Israel.
As Americans become increasingly aware that AIPAC is a foreign influence operation set up by Israel and its cutout the Jewish Agency in the 1940s-60s, they are rightfully beginning to question the legitimacy of all the branches of government AIPAC unduly influences. The Congress, the White House and key government agencies. Their accelerating delegitimation through undue Israel lobby influence is a far bigger story than “two state solution” canards and the travails of a distant overseas “illiberal bastion of zealotry.” U.S. government illegitimacy is why there are so few warranted criminal prosecutions of ongoing Israel lobby crimes against America as politicians scramble ever more quickly for millions in Israel lobby campaign contributions while—like Friedman—working to divert public attention and quash accountability.
 
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THOMAS FRIEDMAN: CONSIGLIERE?


Thomas L. Friedman’s Israel: The krytron and the cholent heater
Social media is trending opinion writer Thomas Friedman of The New York Times seeming to offer more timely though mild criticism of Israel and its U.S. lobby as they drag America ever closer to disaster. For decades Friedman has run cleverly disguised cover stories for Israel from his top tier establishment media perch whenever an existential crisis emerged. Now, as always, Friedman diverts America’s attention away from the real story. His tactics include advancing evidence-free claims that Israel somehow benefits the U.S. and executing international and domestic pressure campaigns in concert with Israel lobby “experts” while ignoring uncomfortable historical facts that don’t support his narrative.
In a recent podcast with fellow 2003 Iraq invasion supporter Peter Beinart, Friedman fretted that “the prospect for a two-state solution has all but vanished” making that argument as if such a two-state prospect was ever anything more than a ruse designed to give Israel time to finish ethnically cleansing Palestinians and annexing their most desirable territories.
In a recent opinion piece Friedman urged President Biden to “save” Israel’s “democracy” from becoming an “illiberal bastion of zealotry” as if Israel has not inherently been such a bastion lording over millions of expulsed, disenfranchised and abused Palestinians.

“If you ask me, that is now the most likely outcome — a total mess that will leave Israel no longer being a bedrock of stability for the region and for its American ally, but instead, a cauldron of instability and a source of anxiety for the U.S. government.”

“What in the world is happening to israel?” The New York Times, December 15, 2022


Israel has never been a “bedrock of stability” for the U.S. as Friedman claims unless one defines proliferating nuclear weapons into the Middle East against the policy of JFK, constant war with neighbors and premeditated territorial acquisitions as “stability.” For Friedman, the West Bank and Golan heights are all territories Israel merely acquired through “war.” Unmentioned by Friedman is that Israel launched the first strikes of the 1967 Six-Day War and preplanned how to occupy the subsequently captured territories. The war was entirely avoidable.
Friedman’s most recent fretting over Israel is that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is engaged in a judicial overhaul that would undermine the Israeli Supreme Court’s alleged deep protection of minority rights and opposition to annexing the West Bank. But near the end of his critique Friedman admits the underlying reason for the overhaul would be to give Netanyahu the ability to toss out the ongoing bribery, fraud and breach of trust cases brought against him by Israel’s attorney general. Friedman himself way back in 1985 helped initially cover up the significance of the origins of Netanyahu’s self-inflicted predicament—Netanyahu’s corrupt dealings with Hollywood movie producer and Israeli spy Arnon Milchan.
“This is going to have a profound effect on U.S.-Israel relations. But don’t take my word for it. On Oct. 1, Axios published a story quoting what sources said Senator Bob Menendez, the New Jersey Democrat who leads the Foreign Relations Committee, told Netanyahu during a trip to Israel in September. In the words of one source, the senator warned that if Netanyahu formed a government after the Nov. 1 elections that included right-wing extremists, it could ‘seriously erode bipartisan support in Washington.'”
“The Israel We Knew Is Gone” The New York Times, November 4, 2022


Friedman hand-wrings that U.S. support for Israel will be jeopardized. The idea that anything other than an abrupt cutoff of campaign contributions could have a serious impact on “bipartisan support” in Washington, especially among the likes of Senator Bob Menendez, is risible. As Abraham Feinberg, long-term fundraiser who organized President Truman’s “whistle stop” campaign disclosed long ago, his own and the Israel lobby’s “path to power” were large quantities of what all American politicians most need, “campaign money.”

While it is tempting to believe Friedman has had some kind of change of heart and is starting to drop his knee jerk Israel surrogacy in times of crisis, even Friedman’s recent writing reveals the deeply dishonest influencer ever trying to advance Israeli interests while diverting away from issues of primary concern to Americans.

One recent example is Friedman teaming up with “Israel’s lawyer” Dennis Ross to coerce Saudi Arabia into “Abraham Accord” diplomatic recognition and formalized economic ties with Israel shortly before Israel’s most recent elections.

“For Israel, peace with Saudi Arabia is the big prize. It opens the door to peace with the whole Sunni Muslim world and access to an immense pool of investment capital…Dennis Ross, a former U.S. Middle East envoy, told me that, for starters, the Saudis could offer to open a commercial trade office in Tel Aviv, which would serve Saudi economic interests and ‘be a big psychological move toward Israel.'”
“Only Saudi Arabia and Israeli Arabs Can Save Israel as a Jewish Democracy” The New York Times, July 15, 2022


Why the Saudis would want to make such major concessions to Israel (and risk billions more of its sovereign wealth to Israeli boondoggles such as WeWork or “Project Jonah“) and finally bury sensible “precursor to peace” demands for justice for Palestinians in the Saudi Arab peace plan were unexplored.
It is more worthwhile to review Friedman’s newly relevant 1985 New York Times piece absolving Netanyahu and his co-conspirator Hollywood movie producer Arnon Milchan of crimes against the U.S. The pair’s corrupt dealings went far beyond the champagne and cigars with which Israeli courts charge Milchan plied Netanyahu for favors detailed in Israeli corruption charges and breathlessly reported in the Israeli press.
In the 1970s and 1980s Arnon Milchan’s network of front companies, working with Israel’s Ministry of Defense, were caught red-handed by the U.S. illegally exporting high speed switches from California to Israel. Upon somehow hearing about secret grand jury deliberations over the lowest ranking member of the smuggling operation, Richard Kelly Smyth, Friedman quickly swung into action locating and interviewing Arnon Milchan who had quite suddenly decamped from the U.S.

Mr. Milchan added, ”I told him that maybe one of the 30 companies I own around the world was buying or selling these things, but I have not been involved in these businesses for 12 years.”
Mr. Milchan said that when he arrived in Israel on Sunday night, he turned on television only to hear his name mentioned on the news in connection with a Newsweek article asserting that he was ”implicated in the case” of a purported effort to smuggle krytrons from the United States to Israel.
‘Started to Find Out’
At that point, Mr. Milchan said, he ”started to find out what is a krytron.”
Israeli radio broadcasters have on occasion mistakenly referred to the devices as ”Krypton” – the name of theplanet on which the comic-book hero Superman was born, and from which green kryptonite, a rock that could render him powerless, originated.
”I found out,” Mr. Milchan said, ”that a krytron was a small little gizmo which anyone can can go buy freely in the United States. You can use them for all kinds of things, including, incidentally, making cholent.”
Cholent is a stew of beans, carrots, potatoes and beef that is a traditional Jewish dish prepared on Friday night for eating on the Sabbath. Mr. Milchan said that with a krytron timer a stove could be set to turn on automatically to heat up the cholent on the Sabbath, without anyone working to light the fire.
ISRAELIS DENY KNOWING OF EXPORT BAR FOR DEVICE USABLE IN A-BOMB, The New York Times, May 18, 1985

It was not until the year 2012 that IRmep finally obtained and released FBI files about the Israeli operation called “Project Pinto” detailing Netanyahu’s direct involvement in the smuggling operation. The 810 krytons were shipped to Israel’s Ministry of Defense through Milchan’s “Heli Trading” company where Netanyahu was employed. The krytrons were obviously destined to upgrade Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons arsenal. It also later emerged that Arnon Milchan was a longtime spy for LAKAM, Israel’s covert espionage network tasked with stealing and smuggling sensitive military—especially nuclear weapons related—technology. Lakam was earlier involved in penetrating and stealing enough U.S. Navy weapons grade uranium from the NUMEC facility, a smuggling front company owned and operated by Zionist Organization of America operatives, for a dozen atomic weapons. There were never any criminal charges in the U.S. over the “NUMEC affair.”
In short, the krytrons were obviously not destined for heating a stew made of “beans, carrots, potatoes and beef” as Friedman so faithfully reported. Netanyahu in 2013-2014 successfully pressured the State Department, which knew all about the smuggling, to issue Milchan a 10-year visa to work and live in the U.S.
It is highly unlikely that Friedman has altered his primary function as a surrogate for Israel at America’s “newspaper of record.” Friedman’s admissions of obvious facts about the apartheid settler colonial nuclear state’s continued descent into darkness come too late, and have long been better and more credibly documented by far more reliable sources, albeit with far less reach.
The real story that Friedman is carefully steering around is that Israel and its lobby are dragging America down with increasing speed. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC’s recent massive direct (as opposed to indirect) interventions in U.S. elections replaced somewhat less compromised politicians with a new cadre of fellow surrogates willing to do almost anything for Israel.
As Americans become increasingly aware that AIPAC is a foreign influence operation set up by Israel and its cutout the Jewish Agency in the 1940s-60s, they are rightfully beginning to question the legitimacy of all the branches of government AIPAC unduly influences. The Congress, the White House and key government agencies. Their accelerating delegitimation through undue Israel lobby influence is a far bigger story than “two state solution” canards and the travails of a distant overseas “illiberal bastion of zealotry.” U.S. government illegitimacy is why there are so few warranted criminal prosecutions of ongoing Israel lobby crimes against America as politicians scramble ever more quickly for millions in Israel lobby campaign contributions while—like Friedman—working to divert public attention and quash accountability.
Good post, but way too nuanced for this discussion.
Seems the Israel supporters only want to talk about Hamas, as if they are responsible for the occupation and apartheid.
They won't discuss anything else, no matter what you try.
 
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