In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

[basketcase]

Yes, I am the only one who supports investigating both sides ...

Bullshit.

Is this terrorism?

Palestinian killed as Israeli settlers attack West Bank village

Residents of Turmus Ayya say 400 settlers march down the village’s main road, setting fire to cars, homes and trees.

www.aljazeera.com

How about these?

Four Israeli settlers killed in attack in the occupied West Bank

Shooting carried out by Palestinians took place near the illegal settlement of Eli after a deadly Israeli incursion.

www.aljazeera.com

At least 7 hurt in Tel Aviv car-ramming and stabbing attack

Three in serious condition, suspect shot dead; Hamas praises attack as ‘initial response’ to Israel’s assault on Jenin.

www.aljazeera.com

You have a long, long history of calling Israeli Jews terrorists yet go out of your way to deny Palestinian terrorism even when the Palestinian factions involved openly state what they are doing. You have repeatedly called Gaza rockets and attacks on Jewish drivers/pedestrians to be "self defence' and claimed that it's okay for Palestinians to attack Jews in the West Bank because maybe some of them may be terrorists, both views in direct opposition to the rights groups you pretend to respect.

 

[basketcase]

United Nations Resolutions don, mean a thing to Bebe, human rights even less...

UN resolutions have 2 sides. They require the Palestinian/Arab side to commit to peace as well.

 

[Frankfooter]

To arrest PIJ terrorists who have been shooting at Jewish drivers, Jewish owned houses, and people stopping at a gas station. The people dead in the raid were claimed by PIJ as their fighters no matter how desperately you want them portrayed as innocent victims.

And disgustingly you keep trying to claim that Jews in the West Bank are fair game because maybe some of them might have been violent.

How do you differentiate between legitimate right to self defence against an illegal occupation and terrorism?
How do you decide when a Palestinian is a civilian, militant or terrorist?

The answer?
You claim they are all terrorists, like this:

The people dead in the raid were claimed by PIJ as their fighters

 

[Frankfooter]

A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
All Israelis no matter their race have the same legal rights under Israeli law.
Therefore not Apartheid. Simple.

Wrong.

There are three levels of apartheid as detailed by the UN, Amnesty et al.
1) Apartheid in the OToP
2) Apartheid in Jerusalem
3) Apartheid inside the Green Line.

All are different forms of apartheid, the easiest confirmation is noting that only Jewish Israelis have the 'right to self determination' by law, 'Israeli Arabs' are not given that same right.
That's apartheid.

Its all here, read it and if you have actual arguments quote the report with page numbers.

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

 

[Frankfooter]

You have a long, long history of calling Israeli Jews terrorists yet go out of your way to deny Palestinian terrorism even when the Palestinian factions involved openly state what they are doing. You have repeatedly called Gaza rockets and attacks on Jewish drivers/pedestrians to be "self defence' and claimed that it's okay for Palestinians to attack Jews in the West Bank because maybe some of them may be terrorists, both views in direct opposition to the rights groups you pretend to respect.

I have a long history of quoting reports by the UN, Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem and saying that should be the basis of investigations on both sides.
You have a history of calling all Palestinians killed by Israel 'terrorists', including women, children, medics, journalists and even the disabled. (See the Great March of Return).

Posting single source news stories doesn't cut it.
Let the ICC do the charging now, Israel is an apartheid state that lets settlers and soldiers get away with terrorism.

Let the ICC decide who is a militant and who is civilian.
Let them decide what is apartheid and who is committing war crimes.

And lets end the use of the term 'terrorist', you only use that word as an excuse to justify assassinations, collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and refusing to give Palestinians any basic human rights.

 

[Frankfooter]

UN resolutions have 2 sides. They require the Palestinian/Arab side to commit to peace as well.

They also say all settlements are illegal, the occupation is illegal and Israel rules through apartheid.

 

[Klatuu]

Bullshit.

Is this terrorism?

Palestinian killed as Israeli settlers attack West Bank village

Residents of Turmus Ayya say 400 settlers march down the village’s main road, setting fire to cars, homes and trees.

www.aljazeera.com

How about these?

Four Israeli settlers killed in attack in the occupied West Bank

Shooting carried out by Palestinians took place near the illegal settlement of Eli after a deadly Israeli incursion.

www.aljazeera.com

At least 7 hurt in Tel Aviv car-ramming and stabbing attack

Three in serious condition, suspect shot dead; Hamas praises attack as ‘initial response’ to Israel’s assault on Jenin.

www.aljazeera.com

You have a long, long history of calling Israeli Jews terrorists yet go out of your way to deny Palestinian terrorism even when the Palestinian factions involved openly state what they are doing. You have repeatedly called Gaza rockets and attacks on Jewish drivers/pedestrians to be "self defence' and claimed that it's okay for Palestinians to attack Jews in the West Bank because maybe some of them may be terrorists, both views in direct opposition to the rights groups you pretend to respect.

You tick all the boxes.

Anti-Palestinian racism is a form of anti-Arab racism that silences, excludes, erases, stereotypes, defames or dehumanizes Palestinians or their narratives. Anti-Palestinian racism takes various forms including:

• denying the Nakba and justifying violence against Palestinians;
• failing to acknowledge Palestinians as an Indigenous people with a collective identity, belonging and rights in relation to occupied and historic Palestine;
• erasing the human rights and equal dignity and worth of Palestinians;
• excluding or pressuring others to exclude Palestinian perspectives, Palestinians and their allies;
• defaming Palestinians and their allies with slander such as being inherently antisemitic, a terrorist threat/sympathizer or opposed to democratic values.

 

[Klatuu]

UN resolutions have 2 sides. They require the Palestinian/Arab side to commit to peace as well.

But you only mention one side. And it’s not the side that is the occupier, ethnic cleanser, violator of multiple international laws and practitioner of apartheid. You give that side a pass. Good one, grandpa.

 

[basketcase]

How do you differentiate between legitimate right to self defence against an illegal occupation and terrorism?
How do you decide when a Palestinian is a civilian, militant or terrorist?

The answer?
You claim they are all terrorists, like this:

No, I listen to when PIJ claims they are active combatants killed while fighting Israeli forces.

And pretty pathetic that your attempt to disc4rediti me is your exact stated view justifying attacks on Jewish civilians.

 

[basketcase]

I have a long history of quoting reports by the UN, Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem ...

And then argue against them when they criticize Palestinians. Those groups are 100% clear that being Jewish doesn't revoke civilian status and 100% clear that Gaza rockets have no legitimate justification.

Have you ever even admitted that there are Palestinians who commit terrorism?


No surprise you ran away from my question.

Bullshit.

Is this terrorism?

Palestinian killed as Israeli settlers attack West Bank village

Residents of Turmus Ayya say 400 settlers march down the village’s main road, setting fire to cars, homes and trees.

www.aljazeera.com

How about these?

Four Israeli settlers killed in attack in the occupied West Bank

Shooting carried out by Palestinians took place near the illegal settlement of Eli after a deadly Israeli incursion.

www.aljazeera.com

At least 7 hurt in Tel Aviv car-ramming and stabbing attack

Three in serious condition, suspect shot dead; Hamas praises attack as ‘initial response’ to Israel’s assault on Jenin.

www.aljazeera.com

...

 

[basketcase]

You tick all the boxes.

Anti-Palestinian racism is a form of anti-Arab racism that silences, excludes, erases, stereotypes, defames or dehumanizes Palestinians or their narratives. Anti-Palestinian racism takes various forms including:

• denying the Nakba and justifying violence against Palestinians;
• failing to acknowledge Palestinians as an Indigenous people with a collective identity, belonging and rights in relation to occupied and historic Palestine;
• erasing the human rights and equal dignity and worth of Palestinians;
• excluding or pressuring others to exclude Palestinian perspectives, Palestinians and their allies;
• defaming Palestinians and their allies with slander such as being inherently antisemitic, a terrorist threat/sympathizer or opposed to democratic values.

If you want to play with the adults, you can try posting quotes where I do any of those things.

The Nakba is a real thing, just like the ethnic cleansing of Jews at the same time. Unlike you I accept both happened and accept leadership on both sides played and continue to play a role in accelerating the conflict.

I've never denied that Palestinians are indigenous to the region. I also acknowledge that half of Israeli Jews are also indigenous to the region.

The third point is just asinine.

I've never excluded other viewpoints but I sure as hell call out ones that I find immoral. SOME anti-Israel voices are anti-semitic (and have racist elitism towards Arab people too) and SOME Palestinians are terrorists. There's a reason why Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and others are on Canada's terrorist list. Most Palestinians aren't terrorists and it's wrong to pretend they are but it's idiotic to say it's wrong to call out the racists and terrorists.

BTW. Speaking of Palestinian perspectives...

https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2088%20English%20full%20text%20June%202023.pdf

Any comment on more than half Palestinians polled supporting what is defined as terrorism?

 

[Klatuu]

If you want to play with the adults, you can try posting quotes where I do any of those things.

The Nakba is a real thing, just like the ethnic cleansing of Jews at the same time. Unlike you I accept both happened and accept leadership on both sides played and continue to play a role in accelerating the conflict.

I've never denied that Palestinians are indigenous to the region. I also acknowledge that half of Israeli Jews are also indigenous to the region.

The third point is just asinine.

I've never excluded other viewpoints but I sure as hell call out ones that I find immoral. SOME anti-Israel voices are anti-semitic (and have racist elitism towards Arab people too) and SOME Palestinians are terrorists. There's a reason why Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and others are on Canada's terrorist list. Most Palestinians aren't terrorists and it's wrong to pretend they are but it's idiotic to say it's wrong to call out the racists and terrorists.

BTW. Speaking of Palestinian perspectives...
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https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2088%20English%20full%20text%20June%202023.pdf

Any comment on more than half Palestinians polled supporting what is defined as terrorism?

You just ticked all the boxes again, grandpa.

But since you claim to believe that the Nakba is a real “thing” as you put it, tell us what you think the Nakba is.

 

[Frankfooter]

No, I listen to when PIJ claims they are active combatants killed while fighting Israeli forces.

And pretty pathetic that your attempt to disc4rediti me is your exact stated view justifying attacks on Jewish civilians.

You then call them terrorists instead of militants.
Certainly you'd never call the fighters in a refugee camp under illegal occupation 'freedom fighters', would you?

And then argue against them when they criticize Palestinians.

Nope.

I'm willing to back the investigation of every war crime listed on both sides by Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and the UN.
Why won't you join me in supporting both sides being investigated?

Because you only support one race, isn't it?

 

[Frankfooter]

I've never denied that Palestinians are indigenous to the region.

Yet you continue to support settler colonization and apartheid along with ethnic cleansing to take their land.
Imagine arguing that in Canada with the native population, you'd be worse than MAGA, wouldn't you?

 

[Klatuu]

I've never denied that Palestinians are indigenous to the region.

But you’ve never said that they are indigenous and that those in the refugee camps are completely indigenous to what is now Israel.
So, go ahead, say it.

 

[basketcase]

You just ticked all the boxes again, grandpa.

But since you claim to believe that the Nakba is a real “thing” as you put it, tell us what you think the Nakba is.

Wow, that's pretty stupid. Your ideologue blinders have you refusing not only to admit that some Palestinians have culpability in the conflict but seemingly also to read or admit reality.

 

[basketcase]

You then call them terrorists instead of militants.

Because they are, both according to Canada and the definition of terrorism.

Because you only support one race, isn't it?

Who is it that refuses to admit there is terrorism from one side?

Hell, you don't even accept when terror groups like PIJ or Hamas admit exactly whet they did. A Hamas member ran down pedestrians, got out , then went to stab more people. That is terrorism whether you admit it or not. PIJ members shooting up gas stations or shooting at cars is terrorism, at least according to the rights groups you pretend to support. But you think so lowly of Palestinians that you refuse to hold them accountable for their choices.

 

[basketcase]

Yet you continue to support settler colonization and apartheid along with ethnic cleansing to take their land.
Imagine arguing that in Canada with the native population, you'd be worse than MAGA, wouldn't you?

It shows how pathetic your arguments when you claim things directly contrary to what I've repeatedly posted.


And your double standard shows up because you endorsed Palestinians staying in homes owned by Jews that were ethnically cleansed in 1949.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow, that's pretty stupid. Your ideologue blinders have you refusing not only to admit that some Palestinians have culpability in the conflict but seemingly also to read or admit reality.

Why are you blaming Palestinians for a 73 year old occupation of their home country?

 

[Frankfooter]

Because they are, both according to Canada and the definition of terrorism.

Who is it that refuses to admit there is terrorism from one side?

Hell, you don't even accept when terror groups like PIJ or Hamas admit exactly whet they did. A Hamas member ran down pedestrians, got out , then went to stab more people. That is terrorism whether you admit it or not. PIJ members shooting up gas stations or shooting at cars is terrorism, at least according to the rights groups you pretend to support. But you think so lowly of Palestinians that you refuse to hold them accountable for their choices.

You use the word 'terrorism' to label Palestinians as sub human and to justify apartheid, settler colonialism, apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

If you were really concerned about 'terrorism' you'd admit:
1) Israelis commit way more acts definable as 'terrorism'
2) Both sides need to be held to the law equally.

You won't admit either of those, though.
Instead you'll keep justifying apartheid and labelling the indigenous people as sub human 'terrorists'.