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danmand

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Butler1000

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Nah, you are just a fraud.
You think Sanders Supporters are frauds?

Are you another Clinton neo liberal? Could all your anti war posts be a fraud ?

See how easy that is?

Tell you what Danmand, who do you back in the primary?
 

WyattEarp

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You do realize that the vote would have passed had the Dems who voted against not made the political calculus that a yes vote would have hurt their 2020 chances. do you really think this was a vindication of any sort. Not even you are that dumb. Are you?
I'm not sure you understand how Impeachment works. It's intended to be a political process with a very high bar to pass. Our founding fathers anticipated that a sitting President could be harassed by Congress and the individual States.
 

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You do realize that the vote would have passed had the Dems who voted against not made the political calculus that a yes vote would have hurt their 2020 chances. do you really think this was a vindication of any sort. Not even you are that dumb. Are you?
That is exactly the point, with no legal basis, a vote for impeachment is irresponsible and idiotic. The fact that 90 Democrats self identified is interesting.

You are clearly dumb enough to have missed this most obvious point.
 

toguy5252

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So your point is the Dems arent interested in what's right, just what gets them re elected.

And these are the people you want in office?

Man am I glad I back Bernie. I couldn't be that morally bankrupt.
Your phony self-righteousness is comically transparent.

And pretending to favor Bernie is really getting quite tiresome.
 

toguy5252

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That is exactly the point, with no legal basis, a vote for impeachment is irresponsible and idiotic. The fact that 90 Democrats self identified is interesting.

You are clearly dumb enough to have missed this most obvious point.
I am reconsidering my last post. Maybe you really are that dumb and gullible.
 

toguy5252

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In the end, it boils down to just having a simple difference of opinion regarding the President. :)
Not at all. You of course can support his policies and you can of course support him. But when you and other try and explain away facts (and by that I mean objective facts and not Trump or alternative facts) which are demonstrably false. that is not a matter of opinion.
 

mellowjello

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That is exactly the point, with no legal basis, a vote for impeachment is irresponsible and idiotic. The fact that 90 Democrats self identified is interesting.

You are clearly dumb enough to have missed this most obvious point.
Why do you say that?
 

Butler1000

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Your phony self-righteousness is comically transparent.

And pretending to favor Bernie is really getting quite tiresome.
What, your continuous backing of the type of politicians who created the conditions for Trump to succeed isn't worthy of comment? Someone like Trump doesn't rise in a vacuum. They rise because the people in power have become so deaf to the problems of people that he looks good.

And you backing someone promising to put things back to those same conditions really shows how deaf and blind you are.

My support for Sanders extends back to the 2016 primaries. It's legit. I stand for a positive message.

You don't even know what you want.
 

Butler1000

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Your phony self-righteousness is comically transparent.

And pretending to favor Bernie is really getting quite tiresome.
And my point really stands. It's the Dem leadership that's morally bankrupt. The rigging and outright purchase of the last primary proves it.
 

Frankfooter

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And my point really stands. It's the Dem leadership that's morally bankrupt.
There are more documents out about Trump, Cohen and Daniels today that implicate Trump in the same crime that Cohen is now behind bars for.
There are still 13 ongoing investigations into Trump.
Mueller will speak publicly soon.

And now Trump is getting his mob to shout fascist chants.

Yet all you can talk about is Clinton?
 

Butler1000

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There are more documents out about Trump, Cohen and Daniels today that implicate Trump in the same crime that Cohen is now behind bars for.
There are still 13 ongoing investigations into Trump.
Mueller will speak publicly soon.

And now Trump is getting his mob to shout fascist chants.

Yet all you can talk about is Clinton?
The documents were released because the investigation is over. And no charges laid against Trump employees.

The Dem leadership at present is Pelosi, Schumer, Wasserman-Shultz, Tom Perez, and other senior politicians.

So no, that post had nothing to do with Clinton.
 

toguy5252

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I'm not sure you understand how Impeachment works. It's intended to be a political process with a very high bar to pass. Our founding fathers anticipated that a sitting President could be harassed by Congress and the individual States.
I understand exactly how impeachment works. I am not sure you understand how politics work. There is an election coming. The Dems would like to run on health care, immigration reform and the fact that the present PGOTUS in an incompetent, racist, misogynistic, immoral moron. Not by giving the GOP an issue like impeachment to distract.
 

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I think the point is, if the Democrats know it would fail, could they not be doing something more constructive in the house with their time?
Like the crisis at the border?

Wasting their time on investigations, subpoenas and failed impeachment is all but handing away 2020 to the Republicans.

Trump has done so much since being elected - Jobs, economy, peace, kept promises with Israel for the embassy, promise with the wall, the travel ban, pulling from Iran deal, the Paris agreement.
He is working hard to win people over, and put America above all.

Will he win a second term?
If the election was today, my money is on him winning by majority and taking back the house.
I don't believe the polls, and feel he is way more popular now. He has proven that was he does is for all Americans.
Unlike Trump, whose only job is to run the government as it's CEO, the 400 and some elected members of the House are there to talk, discuss, propose argue and vote, over, and over and over. And every one of them — unlike the President — was elected to do just tat by people back home who voted for them.

It wasn't 'the Democrats' who brought forward this motion. Anyone who paid the slightest attention to recent news knows the Party didn't want it. It was individual elected Representatives who moved, seconded and brought their motion before the House to be debated and voted on. That's how democracy works; the people's Representatives decide.

As for legislative assemblies making good use of their time, what has the Republican Senate accomplished recently?

Thanks for the offer of a bet, but there's no way to decide how he'd do today. Although I've despised him for a good few decades, it would make me very happy to see him win legitimately this time. The betrayal of the people by their Electoral System has just continued day by day since. And his total disinterest in serving all the people, or anything but his own vanity has consistently kept his polls in minority status, where they were Election night.

Americans deserve better.
 

mjg1

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The documents were released because the investigation is over. And no charges laid against Trump employees.

The Dem leadership at present is Pelosi, Schumer, Wasserman-Shultz, Tom Perez, and other senior politicians.

So no, that post had nothing to do with Clinton.
"No charges against Trump employees." That has stench of A.G. Bill Barr all over it, Barr is working behind the scenes to quash any investigation into Trump, State or Federal.
 

Butler1000

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"No charges against Trump employees." That has stench of A.G. Bill Barr all over it, Barr is working behind the scenes to quash any investigation into Trump, State or Federal.
The emoluments argument was never going to fly. As I said at the time. Congress had a Dept who's sole job was to pay off and get NDA's from Congressional employees for sexual harassment and misconduct issues brought against elected officials.

In other words the USA govt engaged in the exact same way as Trump did. And it was paid for by taxpayers.
 

Frankfooter

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The emoluments argument was never going to fly. As I said at the time. Congress had a Dept who's sole job was to pay off and get NDA's from Congressional employees for sexual harassment and misconduct issues brought against elected officials.

In other words the USA govt engaged in the exact same way as Trump did. And it was paid for by taxpayers.
You mean like Acosta's work with Epstein, on behalf of Trump?
Epstein was denied bail, by the way.

Did you enjoy the groping in the '92 video of Trump and Epstein?

Oh, its official that the only reason no charges were laid in the hush money investigation is the Justice Department's rule that they won't indict a sitting president.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...dent-ending-trump-hush-money-case/1769339001/

Lets hope he's out of office soon so justice can be done.
 

Butler1000

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You mean like Acosta's work with Epstein, on behalf of Trump?
Epstein was denied bail, by the way.

Did you enjoy the groping in the '92 video of Trump and Epstein?

Oh, its official that the only reason no charges were laid in the hush money investigation is the Justice Department's rule that they won't indict a sitting president.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...dent-ending-trump-hush-money-case/1769339001/

Lets hope he's out of office soon so justice can be done.
Well this is a non sensual seguay..........

I'm right. Again. And no, they won't lay charges afterwards. The politicians don't want the precident set. Do it to Trump and all of them are vulnerable.

He will walk away. Just like all the rest have.
 
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