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decoy2673

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This is beyond a public health issue at this point. Its really a question of the government infringing on ours rights and freedom. We have unelected officials (devilla etc) implicitly making huge decisions that are having devastating effects on our citizens. It's simply not right.

Its a dangerously slippery slope. This is the ultimate tenet of the Pro-Choice debate too. The fact that the government shouldn't have the power to decide what you do with your own body. This is along the same lines. Were in the early stages of the boiling frog scenario (frog starts in warm water, the water slowly but surely gets hotter until boiling frog doesn't realize until its too late).

Look past the distractions (politics, anti-maskers, fear mongers etc), you'll see the government is moving towards taking our autonomy. It'll be hard to walk back from that if we let it happen.

I've messaged all Ford, Tory, Trudeau essentially what I said here. I won't be voting for them, I will be supporting their opposition and listed these reasons why.
 

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The first lockdown we had was necessary. We simply knew too little about this virus. I still think it was the best decision. We needed to buy some time.

Now that we have entered the second wave a lockdown is not necessary as long as not too many imbecile act recklessly. We now know it's not necessary to clean your food or wash everything every 15 minutes. The virus is airborne so we need to concentrate on improving air system of all public areas. Better ventilation and better recycling of the air. But still not make any group activities!

We will overcome this but not by all staying inside our home shsom... As this will have devastating effect worst then the virus. A lockdown is a short term solution.

And Decoy the problem with public health is not about infringing your rights and freedom. It's about you following the rules in order to not impact the health of others. In other words public health is not about you it's about we.
 
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You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it...but...it's happening so you better adjust to it.
And your welcome to try to change it - legally. You say over reaction I say under reaction. My argument if we did a Newfoundland style blockade we get to fully operational internal economy fairly quickly, We could do driver changes at the boarder for goods - with cleaning of said goods on transfer.

Regardless, mistakes are being made, and will continue being made. We did not have 20/20 vision. Was y2k a waste? Maybe. Or did the prevention save lives? Or if nothing was done much the same would have happened? Billons where spent in advance to fix the bug and in theory no problems should have happened anywhere:

A few random stuff did get threw
A couple of nukes had minor problems, but the critical systems where fixed.
A few video late fees where marked for 100 years + late.
Some goverment programs where automatically cancelled after 100 years
In Asia a few ships where lost with there crew doe to navigation systems failing during storms

Some random problems


Reported problems include:


  • In Sheffield, United Kingdom, incorrect risk assessments for Down syndrome were sent to 154 pregnant women and two abortions were carried out as a direct result of a Y2K bug causing miscalculation of the mothers' age. Four babies with Down syndrome were also born to mothers who had been told they were in the low-risk group.[48]
  • In Ishikawa, Japan, radiation-monitoring equipment failed at midnight; however, officials stated there was no risk to the public.[49]
  • In Onagawa, Japan, an alarm sounded at a nuclear power plant at two minutes after midnight.[49]
  • In Japan, at two minutes past midnight, Osaka Media Port, a telecommunications carrier, found errors in the date management part of the company's network. The problem was fixed by 02:43 and no services were disrupted.[50]
  • In Japan, NTT Mobile Communications Network (NTT DoCoMo), Japan's largest cellular operator, reported on 1 January 2000, that some models of mobile telephones were deleting new messages received, rather than the older messages, as the memory filled up.[50]
  • In Australia, bus ticket validation machines in two states failed to operate.[47]
  • In the United States, 150 Delaware Lottery racino slot machines stopped working.[47]
  • In the United States, the US Naval Observatory, which runs the master clock that keeps the country's official time, gave the date on its website as 1 Jan 19100.[51]
  • In France, the national weather forecasting service, Météo-France, said a Y2K bug made the date on a webpage show a map with Saturday's weather forecast as "01/01/19100".[47] This also occurred on other websites, including att.net, at the time a general-purpose portal site primarily for AT&T Worldnet customers in the United States.


A small funny problem

Y2K bug bites German opera

BERLIN (AP) - It was almost as though Richard Wagner had come back to life.

When Berlin's German Opera ran its payroll for the first time this year, the millennium bug caused havoc by setting the date back to 1900, an official said Wednesday.

Staff at the Deutsche Oper -- which is known for staging 19th-century classics -- discovered that the software problem wiped out government subsidies for families with children by wrongly computing children's ages.

Suddenly, the payroll program would treat a person born in 1990 as 90 years old and automatically stop their child allowance payment, said Heinz-Dieter Sense, the opera's financial manager.

''Everything was year 2000-proof -- except for this isolated item,'' he said in a telephone interview. ''Of course, we hadn't checked every single line of the software.''

The opera was uneasy about withholding government-mandated benefits. So its accountants tricked the software by resetting it to December 1999, before calling in programmers to repair the problem for next month's payroll.

Still, staffers came up $10.50 short because child benefits increased as of Jan. 1. The amount will be included in February paychecks, Sense said.

''It's an unpleasant problem, but it is limited in scope,'' he said. ''Our employees were not that terribly upset.''



Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


As always hindsight is 20/20 and on fixing a problem, it appears the problem was a hoax. We know cancer is not a hoax now (and before it was - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...tells-truth-court-ordered-ad-campaign-n823136 ) mainly from the failure to cure it. If we did cure it, like small box and bed bugs (don't let the bed bugs bite) we now claim those areas are overblown and exaggerated.



Bonus unrelated link


Is covid like telling soilders that radiation from being nuked was perfectly safe or is it the mars invasion on the radio from the 30s or is it Y2K?
 
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I do understand about ER rooms and hospitals not getting overwhelmed. Cbc says that is starting to happen, I would like to know if that is true or not. I am against the lockdowns but I did overlook the hospitalization angle though.
 

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This is beyond a public health issue at this point. Its really a question of the government infringing on ours rights and freedom. We have unelected officials (devilla etc) implicitly making huge decisions that are having devastating effects on our citizens. It's simply not right.

Its a dangerously slippery slope. This is the ultimate tenet of the Pro-Choice debate too. The fact that the government shouldn't have the power to decide what you do with your own body. This is along the same lines. Were in the early stages of the boiling frog scenario (frog starts in warm water, the water slowly but surely gets hotter until boiling frog doesn't realize until its too late).

Look past the distractions (politics, anti-maskers, fear mongers etc), you'll see the government is moving towards taking our autonomy. It'll be hard to walk back from that if we let it happen.

I've messaged all Ford, Tory, Trudeau essentially what I said here. I won't be voting for them, I will be supporting their opposition and listed these reasons why.
I disagree. The problem is the externality effect your behaviour has. You have the right to do what you want on your own property. However, as soon as you use public goods (e.g. walk the street), your rights are limited by the agreements of how these goods can be used. For example, you have the right to have huge parties at you private home but, if you do so, you and your guest have cannot use the public spaces anymore unless the agreement of the use of these spaces are followed. I.e., your guests should stay in your house (and any land you own around your house) for 14 days before they can go to public street. Same with restaurants: they can stay open as long as everyone stay inside that restaurant for 14 days after the last person arrived.
 
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Here we go, whining like little babies, grow up, get use to it. Denying it is only going to prolong it.
Lockdowns won’t stop the virus, it will continue to spread regardless. Only the number infected at a given point in time might be reduced in the short term.

Need a vaccine that works, that can be distributed world wide quickly. This seems to be the only way to stop it. Anything else we do is just lipstick on a pig 🐖

Herd immunity won’t happen if lockdowns continue. People, huge number of people need to be infected to created herd immunity

Like you said, grow up, get use to it!! See SPs if you want. If you don’t want to, don’t. Simple as that.

Mods should delete all covid posts, terb needs to get back to being an escort review board and nothing else
 
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Here we go, whining like little babies, grow up, get use to it. Denying it is only going to prolong it.
I dont mean this as an insult at all. Seriously.

You are legitimately stupid.

This is not about the lockdowns. This is about the government deciding how you can or cant live your lives. They are infringing on our rights and freedoms, that we as a people have fought for over the course of hundreds of years. Its a huge deal. If you cant see that you're hopeless.
 

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Here we go, whining like little babies, grow up, get use to it. Denying it is only going to prolong it.
Exactly like a bunch of babies that the simplest form of preventive measures is too much for them to adhere to.
You gotta wonder how they go through life throwing their hand in the air and stomping their feet every time they are faced with any adversity outside of the norm.
The same posters “Stable Genius” crowd whining from the beginning about everything from shutdowns not having an affect, social distancing not working and adhering to limit on number of people are still complaining. These posters will be whining very soon about vaccines being a conspiracy theory having to do with Bill Gates.
 

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Tell that to the thousands of restaurant and bar owners who will go out of business if we lock down again
I doubt 1000’s of bars/restaurants will go out of business due to secondary shutdowns like you try to claim.
The government just announced more help for them so all these businesses affected are entitled to it to stay afloat unless they were already poorly run to begin with.
But those are a lot less than you claim.
 
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China totally lock down for 3 months and now chinese ppl are enjoying freedom while left and right wings in the west world are arguing whether to totally shut down or not.

 

Phil C. McNasty

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I doubt 1000’s of bars/restaurants will go out of business due to secondary shutdowns like you try to claim.
The government just announced more help for them so all these businesses affected are entitled to it to stay afloat unless they were already poorly run to begin with.
But those are a lot less than you claim.
If the lockdown is across Canada and we have 3 or 4 of them over the next year or two, I could see it easily being in the thousands.
Especially if you count fast food places as well.

Oh, and and this

 

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I dont mean this as an insult at all. Seriously.

You are legitimately stupid.

This is not about the lockdowns. This is about the government deciding how you can or cant live your lives. They are infringing on our rights and freedoms, that we as a people have fought for over the course of hundreds of years. Its a huge deal. If you cant see that you're hopeless.
Wrong, the measures are in place for the healthcare system to keep up with the growing numbers of hospital cases. My sister works in hospital administration. Let's keep the current health crisis in the hands of experts and not you. And I don't like these measures either. I'm all for keeping things open and the economy running but too many COVID idiots won't follow the guidelines.
 
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List of restaurants which have closed since Covid started 9 months ago. And thats just for the GTA:




BBs Diner – 76 Lippincott Street


Brothers – 1240 Bay Street



Universal Grill – 1071 Shaw Street


L’Arc En Ciel – 376 College Street


Café Crêpe – 246 Queen Street West


The Beaver – 1192 Queen Street West


True True Diner – 169 King Street East


Wexford Restaurant – 2072 Lawrence Avenue East


JJ Bean – Various locations


Supernova Ballroom – 330 Bay Street


Golden Thai Restaurant – 105 Church Street


Taiyaki NYC – 128 Dundas Street West


Live Organic Food Bar – 264 Dupont Street


Sorelle and Co – 1271 Denison Street


Scallywags – 11 St. Clair Avenue West


Carmen – 922 Queen Street West


Poutini’s – 1112 Queen Street West


Cauldron Ice Cream – 502 Queen Street West


Trattoria Giancarlo – 41 Clinton Street


Virtuous Pie – 611 College Street


Roselle West – 108 Dovercourt Road


Tennessee Tavern – 1554 Queen Street West


Pray Tell – 838 College Street


Labothery – 120 Adelaide Street West; 717 Bay Street, Unit D


Dino’s – 4923 Dundas Street West


Tucker’s Marketplace – all locations have closed, including 15 Carlson Court, Etobicoke


Butter Avenue – 477 Queen Street West


Crocodile Rock – 240 Adelaide Street West


Southern Accent – 839 College Street


Il Gatto Nero – 720 College Street


Jules Bistro – 147 Spadina Avenue


Nando’s – 21 locations have closed for good across the country


NishDish – 690 Bloor Street West


Pappas Grill – 440 Danforth Avenue


The Shore Leave – 1775 Danforth Avenue


Pancho Y Emiliano – 291 King Street West


Plentea – 1205 Queen Street West


Prohibition Gastrohouse – 696 Queen Street East


The Hideout – 423 College Street


The Red Light – 1185 Dundas Street West


The Lansdowne Cone – 659 Lansdowne Avenue


Vesuvio Pizzeria – 3010 Dundas Street West


N’Awlins Jazz Bar & Grill – 299 King Street West


Daves… – 730 St Clair Avenue West

deKEFIR – 333 Bay Street


120 Diner – 120 Church Street


The Grand Elvis – 176 Dupont Street


The White Brick Kitchen – 641 Bloor Street West


Luci Restaurant – 664 The Queensway



Yeon – 465 Queen Street West



Canis Restaurant – 746 Queen Street West



AMA – 930 Queen Street West



Gandhi Indian Cuisine – 554 Queen Street West



Clove Apple Cafe – 1405 Queen Street West



Evy & Flo Cafe – 713 Gerrard Street East



Moo Frites – 178 Baldwin Street



Burgatory – 719 College Street



Don Alfonso 1890 – 19 Toronto Street (Have recently opened a new pop-up)



SoSo Food Club – 1166 Dundas Street West



The Office Pub – 117 John Street



Frankie Tomatto’s – 7225 Woodbine Avenue, Markham



The Ellery – 1870 Danforth Ave



The White Brick Kitchen – 641 Bloor Street West



Stones Place – 1255 Queen Street West



Wayne Gretzky’s Toronto – 99 Blue Jays Way



Emmy’s Icecream – 426 St Clarens Avenue



Victorian Monkey – 2386 Kingston Road, Scarborough



Brass Taps Pizza Pub – 493 Danforth Avenue



I’ll be seeing you… – 747 Queen Street East



Ronto’s – 772 College Street



Dark Horse Espresso – 125 John Street



The Ossington – 61 Ossington Avenue
 
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Lockdowns won’t stop the virus, it will continue to spread regardless. Only the number infected at a given point in time might be reduced in the short term.

Need a vaccine that works, that can be distributed world wide quickly. This seems to be the only way to stop it. Anything else we do is just lipstick on a pig 🐖

Herd immunity won’t happen if lockdowns continue. People, huge number of people need to be infected to created herd immunity

Like you said, grow up, get use to it!! See SPs if you want. If you don’t want to, don’t. Simple as that.

Mods should delete all covid posts, terb needs to get back to being an escort review board and nothing else
The lockdowns won't stop the spread of the virus, that's true but the measures are to slow the spread so the healthcare system can keep up it, so we don't overload the hospitals. We are just trying to buy them some time to deal with the health crisis.
 

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Lockdowns won’t stop the virus, it will continue to spread regardless. Only the number infected at a given point in time might be reduced in the short term.

Need a vaccine that works, that can be distributed world wide quickly. This seems to be the only way to stop it. Anything else we do is just lipstick on a pig 🐖

Herd immunity won’t happen if lockdowns continue. People, huge number of people need to be infected to created herd immunity

Like you said, grow up, get use to it!! See SPs if you want. If you don’t want to, don’t. Simple as that.

Mods should delete all covid posts, terb needs to get back to being an escort review board and nothing else
Go bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. If you can't handle the Pandemic reality stick to the incall and outcall section and you will be just fine.

Decoy, you want to play with your loved one's life that's fine. Move to Florida or Sweden where it's open season on COVID infection. Here in Canada majority of us like the way it is being handled. If everyone does their part it will flatten the curve, if you do not want to do your part, then move to somewhere that will make you happy.
 

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Go bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. If you can't handle the Pandemic reality stick to the incall and outcall section and you will be just fine.

Decoy, you want to play with your loved one's life that's fine. Move to Florida or Sweden where it's open season on COVID infection. Here in Canada majority of us like the way it is being handled. If everyone does their part it will flatten the curve, if you do not want to do your part, then move to somewhere that will make you happy.
must suck being stuck on continuous repeat - flatten the curve flatten the curve. No one here is listening to you or cares.
 
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