If ICU beds run out, should vaccinated individuals get priority?

[basketcase]

...The Lamba and Mu variants loom and will likely overwhelm us with 5th and 6th waves and this only N. Americ,...

Lambda is unlikely to be a major problem. It's been around the US for a while but 99% of their current cases are delta, meaning it is likely less infectious. Mu is being potentially a concern because it MAY be able to get past the vaccine response but there is no indication right now that it is as highly infectious as delta.

 

[basketcase]

...

I went to the LSU/UCLA game Saturday. Had to have your mask on as you went through security...then you put it away for the next 4 hours along w/40,000 of your friends who spent $200 each on beer, hot dogs, chips, & pizza...for their health. So stupid.

Yes, those people and the State are stupid.

Being outdoors is a plus but packing in 100,000 screaming fans might have undone the good.

 

[basketcase]

They’ll get priority since the vaxxed will be the ones getting the most sick, as we are seeing in Israel.

Of course the actual data in Israel has unvaccinated people in ICU's at a much higher rate. Their elderly have greater than 90% vaccination rate yet those 10% unvaccinated make up around half of the ICU cases.

 

[K Douglas]

Delta. (Drops Mic)

You're a legend in your own mind I guess.

 

[Valcazar]

Lambda is unlikely to be a major problem. It's been around the US for a while but 99% of their current cases are delta, meaning it is likely less infectious. Mu is being potentially a concern because it MAY be able to get past the vaccine response but there is no indication right now that it is as highly infectious as delta.

So far the variants that seem to be more vaccine evasive are not able to compete with Delta for transmission and so not really going anywhere.

 

[K Douglas]

Just stop and get your vaccine as responsible people in society do. We don't need your nonsense and bullshit all in the hopes of trying to justify your selfishness and arrogance.

Spoken like a true commie. Stalin would be proud.

 

[K Douglas]

Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue

covid-19.ontario.ca

Ontario Sept 9 Stats ICU (Covid-2)

Unvaccinated. 113
Partially Vaccinated. 7
Vaccinated 8

How many with status 'unknown'?

 

[lomotil]

Lambda is unlikely to be a major problem. It's been around the US for a while but 99% of their current cases are delta, meaning it is likely less infectious. Mu is being potentially a concern because it MAY be able to get past the vaccine response but there is no indication right now that it is as highly infectious as delta.

So do you expect Delta to overtake the Lamda variant in South America ? It is likely or almost guaranteed that a variant(s) may. soon arise that is more problematic than all of the known variants combined. It is becoming apparent that we cannot hope to vaccinate our way out of this pandemic which is by definition global and not local. Those who believe that this pandemic is local are the rightful prey of the politicians and the charlatans. Nature and Darwinism will have the final say as this airborne pandemic is not amendable to successful control as say the polio vaccination was.

 

[squeezer]

Spoken like a true commie. Stalin would be proud.

At least it's not spoken from a very very very nonsensical perspective

 

[Leimonis]

What would you do if someone close to you in your family wouldn't want to be vaccinated and end up at the icu?

I dont know..some people in my family took that decision and even if I don't share the anti vaxx ideology, I wouldn't want them to be left aside and die.

I wouldn't want to see my family member going to jail for purposefully spreading AIDS but we still need to have rules if we want people to act responsibly towards others

 

[NotADcotor]

I think we should be concerned if ICU beds or for that matter any beds run out. I mean where are they running to and why. Are they going to start attacking people. Are we looking at some zombie like bed apocalypse?

Then I hear the election is a 2 horse race. Beds on the move, horses running in human elections. The end times must really be near. I am sure Justin Beiber, history's greatest monster is behind it all.

 

[squeezer]

Then I hear the election is a 2 horse race. Beds on the move, horses running in human elections. The end times must really be near. I am sure Justin Beiber, history's greatest monster is behind it all.

You really need to stop Beiber (<-----click here)Bashing! Let him in, you know you want to.

 

[Josephine Grey]

I wouldn't want to see my family member going to jail for purposefully spreading AIDS but we still need to have rules if we want people to act responsibly towards others

Yeah but they don't see themselves as irresponsible. They do what they think is best for themselves. Who are we to determine that because of this decision, someone should be left aside possibly for dead.

There is no death penalty for drunk drivers, for murderers or even the people who spreads AIDS. Why would there be one for them?

 

[NotADcotor]

You really need to stop Beiber (<-----click here)Bashing! Let him in, you know you want to.

1: You posted a Beiber link. The evils
2: You missed a chance to Rick Roll.

For shame. <Shakes fist Grandpa Simpson style> Hmm I wonder if anyone did a Gangnum Style parody called Grandpa Simpson style.

 

[PeteOsborne]

How many with status 'unknown'?

It is in his reference material.

 

[basketcase]

So do you expect Delta to overtake the Lamda variant in South America ? ...

Beyond me. I haven't spent much time looking at South American data.

Of course variants will continue to develop, especially in places where people can't/won't get vaccinated but there isn't a defined evolutionary path towards more dangerous and more contagious variants. Best case would be an highly contagious variant with very low illness rates; the vast majority of infected will survive and gain antibodies from infection that can fight off more deadly infections.

But vaccines as a solution are not a binary case. Covid is nowhere near as mutagenic as the cold or the flu so vaccinations will still provide protection against variants. The efficacy may decrease from the 95% from the original but even at 40% is doing more than nothing. There's a chance we'll be in a long-term cycle of needing boosters every year or two but we do that with the flu so most people will be okay with that.