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Fuji has repeatedly called for the bombing of Iran.
Despite Iran being a signatory to the NPT and undergoing inspections, as opposed to Israel which is one of the 3 countries in the world not a NPT signatory.
That makes him a warmonger.
You are aware that Israel can't be held accountable to a treaty that it has never signed, right?
 

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Hezbollah is also democratically elected in Lebanon, they do not rule by force.
And is Hezbollah's democracy any less stable then Israel's, where Lieberman and his horrid ideas are keeping Netanyahu in power.
I know you intentionally ignore news you don't like but here's a quick review.

A few weeks ago, armed Hezbollah operatives prevented the actual government from arresting someone who was charged under Lebanon's laws.

You may have missed over a year of Hezbollah holding a strike to get powers that they hadn't been elected for. That confrontation ended in a week or two of gun fights between supporters of Hezbollah and the government coalition.

You also may have missed that Hezbollah has refused to turn over their weapons to the Lebanese military and have refused to have their forces merged with the LAF.

One last thing you must have also missed was the massive arms build up that Hezbollah - a non-governmental entity - has continued.

Your post also seems to pretend that Hezbollah is the elected government. They are not. They have been elected to enough seats that their coalition is essentially the opposition party. They do not rule Lebanon except through the fear that their willingness to use force provides.

As for you questioning whether Hezbollah makes Lebanon more unstable than Israel, I can't remember the last time that Israeli political parties settled their disagreements on the streets using automatic weapons and RPGs. Lebanon is so unstable right now that even though the UN tribunal into the political assassinations have let it be know that high ranking Hezbollah members are to blame they refuse to make an official statement because of the violence that will occur.

I would say without a shadow of a doubt to have the Iranian leader come to Lebanon and openly pledge support for a well armed political party that Iran had created in the first place and one that has often used those weapons against other Lebanese means he isn't afraid to announce his goal of Iranian Shiite control over Lebanon.

I would suggest you take the time to read some Lebanese newspapers before trying to use this as yet another attack on Israel because the Lebanese papers I read have articles that quite regularly comment on the increasing political instability and often compare current events to the time at the start of their civil war.
 

flubadub

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Really, now Basketcase, maybe its time to cut down on the caffeine.

Do you really believe that Hezbollah, which isn't running Lebanon, really wants to start a fight with Israel?
They might want the bits back that Israel took, but to think that their militia is ready to attack Israel with all its nuclear, navy, air force et al is a bit paranoid.
They are just there because the Lebanese army failed so miserably during the last Israeli attack.
 

Huron

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Yet another person trying to argue that Israel is above the law.
How the hell can it be held accountable to it, when it hasn't signed and ratified the treaty? That's not how international law works, kiddo.
 

fuji

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Do you really believe that Hezbollah, which isn't running Lebanon, really wants to start a fight with Israel?
Hezbollah wants whatever its masters in Iran tell it to want, plus a little extra bloodshed on the side just for fun.

They are just there because the Lebanese army failed so miserably during the last Israeli attack.
You know nothing about the history of Lebanon.
 

basketcase

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Really, now Basketcase, maybe its time to cut down on the caffeine.

Do you really believe that Hezbollah, which isn't running Lebanon, really wants to start a fight with Israel?
They might want the bits back that Israel took, but to think that their militia is ready to attack Israel with all its nuclear, navy, air force et al is a bit paranoid.
They are just there because the Lebanese army failed so miserably during the last Israeli attack.
Given a choice between too much caffeine and sinking to your level of ignorance, the choice is easy.

You also seem to be pretty hard on the Lebanese army in their performance in a war that Hezbollah started and in an area where Hezbollah has prevented the LAF from acting effectively. Is it also worth noting that Israel primarily attacked Hezbollah, not the actual legal army of Lebanon?

As to the reason that Iran created Hezbollah, it is to promote the Shia agenda and to exert Iran's influence in a barely functional Lebanon.
 

flubadub

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Given a choice between too much caffeine and sinking to your level of ignorance, the choice is easy.

You also seem to be pretty hard on the Lebanese army in their performance in a war that Hezbollah started and in an area where Hezbollah has prevented the LAF from acting effectively. Is it also worth noting that Israel primarily attacked Hezbollah, not the actual legal army of Lebanon?

As to the reason that Iran created Hezbollah, it is to promote the Shia agenda and to exert Iran's influence in a barely functional Lebanon.
Its debatable whether Hezbollah started the last war.
Hezbollah is only guarding the border because the LAF failed so miserably.
Israel also shot an ungodly amount of cluster bombs in Lebanon just before the end of the war, and bombed LAF airfields.
And do you have proof that Iran created Hezbollah?
 

fuji

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And do you have proof that Iran created Hezbollah?
Hezbollah recognizes the Supreme Leader of Iran as its supreme leader. It's funded by Iran (along with Syria) and the Iranian Republican Guard trains Hezbollah and supplies it with weapons.
 

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Its debatable whether Hezbollah started the last war.
Hezbollah is only guarding the border because the LAF failed so miserably.
Israel also shot an ungodly amount of cluster bombs in Lebanon just before the end of the war, and bombed LAF airfields.
And do you have proof that Iran created Hezbollah?
It may be debatable in your mind and perhaps the other sand flies, but not many others.
 

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Hezbollah is only guarding the border because the LAF failed so miserably.
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Hezbollah has prevented the LAF from working in the border area for decades. Most international sources refer to the south as a state within a state.

Beyond that, how is the LAF supposed to be ready for a war that Hezbollah started?

(your statements are sadly identical to those of Hezbollah themselves)
 

flubadub

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Hezbollah recognizes the Supreme Leader of Iran as its supreme leader. It's funded by Iran (along with Syria) and the Iranian Republican Guard trains Hezbollah and supplies it with weapons.
So you have no proof for the allegation that Iran created Hezbollah.
As I thought.

So they fund Hezbollah some, what's the big deal?
 

fuji

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So you have no proof for the allegation that Iran created Hezbollah.
Other than that it was trained and funded by the Iranian Republican Guard, that it recognizes the leader of Iran as its leader, and that it is supplied and armed by Iran--no, no proof at all.

:rolleyes:
 

flubadub

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it recognizes the leader of Iran as its leader
I'm just going to concentrate on this lie, first, because its so blatant.
That's the lamest crapola lie you've come up with in quite some time, and that's saying something.

So, please, Fuji, I request a citation.
Please show me some proof that Hezbollah recognizes Iranian President Ahmadenijad as their leader.
 

basketcase

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I'm just going to concentrate on this lie, first, because its so blatant.
That's the lamest crapola lie you've come up with in quite some time, and that's saying something.

So, please, Fuji, I request a citation.
Please show me some proof that Hezbollah recognizes Iranian President Ahmadenijad as their leader.
Actually Iran's real leader, the religious one.

Since you like wikipedia, will you believe it?

Hezbollah was largely formed with the aid of the Ayatollah Khomeini's followers in the early 1980s in order to spread Islamic revolution[4] and follows a distinct version of Islamic Shi'a ideology (Valiyat al-faqih or Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists) developed by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the "Islamic Revolution" in Iran.[5][6]
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It listed the Ayatollah Khomeini as the leader whose "orders we obey;"
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Hezbollah's original 1985 manifesto reads:

We are the sons of the ummah (Muslim community) — the party of God (Hizb Allah) the vanguard of which was made victorious by God in Iran. There the vanguard succeeded to lay down the bases of a Muslim state which plays a central role in the world. We obey the orders of one leader, wise and just, that of our tutor and faqih (jurist) who fulfills all the necessary conditions: Ruhollah Musawi Khomeini.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_Hezbollah

p.s. If you wanted to look it up you would see that this is the Ayatollah Khomeini who was "supreme ruler" of Iran until his death.
 

fuji

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I'm just going to concentrate on this lie, first, because its so blatant.
That's the lamest crapola lie you've come up with in quite some time, and that's saying something.

So, please, Fuji, I request a citation.
Please show me some proof that Hezbollah recognizes Iranian President Ahmadenijad as their leader.
You plainly don't understand Iranian politics if you think Ahmadenijad is the leader of Iran.

Hezbollah recognized Khomeini as their spiritual and political leader when they were first created by Iran. Since then they've grown a bit more independent, but they do still view Ahmadenijad's boss as their spiritual leader and still seek out his opinion on what to do whenever the face a major decision.
 

flubadub

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You plainly don't understand Iranian politics if you think Ahmadenijad is the leader of Iran.

Hezbollah recognized Khomeini as their spiritual and political leader when they were first created by Iran. Since then they've grown a bit more independent, but they do still view Ahmadenijad's boss as their spiritual leader and still seek out his opinion on what to do whenever the face a major decision.
I'm still waiting for proof that Hezbollah recognizes either the present president or present religious rulers as their leader, not a dead Shah.
 
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