IDF Killed Daughters of Palestinian Doctor Working in Israel

[landscaper]

I said proof, not opinion.

Try again, sweetheart.

Proof of what that Isreal went out of their way to avoid civilian casualties where possible?

The widely reported warnigs that something was going to be attacked would be a start I suppose but you don't want to listen to that one.

Proving a negative is impossible, prove that they did not kill more people that they could have, hmm the only way to do that is to start this thing up again and go at it full speed. That would produce the casualties that you seem to want, but assuming people with an active I.Q. are involved I will just assume they did what the could

 

[basketcase]

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An unnamed doctor quoted by an unnamed reporter. Good enough for you.
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Might have something to do with Hamas running around shooting anyone they believe collaborated (aka Fatah members).

I guess if unnamed sources bother your, you will go back and delete all of your posts of news with unnamed sources (but then you'd have a post count in the single figures).

 

[basketcase]

And here's an article that includes names.

"I used to support Hamas because they fought for our country, for Palestine," says Sadala. Hamas stood for a new start, for an end of corruption, which had spread like cancer under the moderate Fatah. In the 2006 elections Hamas won the majority with their message of change, said Sadala, who earned a living in the building business. Gesticulating wildly, the 52-year-old surveyed the ruins of the bedroom: "That is the change that they brought about. We were blasted back 2,000 years."
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"I've changed my mind about Hamas," Abu Abed says. "I can't support any party that wages a war that destroys our lives." He is particularly pained by the fact that Hamas is still selling the cease-fire as a victory.

"Who has won here?" he asks and points to the debris that was once his home.

One of his neighbors weighs in: "Many people are now against Hamas but that won't change anything," he says. "Because anyone who stands up to them is killed." Since they took power Hamas has used brutal force against any dissenters in the Gaza Strip. There were news agency reports that during the war they allegedly executed suspected collaborators with Israel. The reign of terror will go on for some time, says the neighbor who doesn't want to give his name. "There will never be a rebellion against Hamas. It would be suicide."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,603203,00.html#ref=rss

 

[basketcase]

More on Hamas and it's genuine interest in building a better Palestine.

Hamas: No reconciliation with Fatah until it ends Israel peace talks

A senior Hamas official on Sunday said that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement must end peace negotiations with Israel before any reconciliation talks can take place.
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Hamdan is Hamas' representative in Lebanon and is close to top Damascus-based political leader Khaled Meshal. Speaking at a rally in Beirut Sunday, Hamdan said Hamas welcomed Palestinian dialogue, but any reconciliation should be based on a resistance program to liberate territory and regain rights.
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"It's time for us to talk about a reconciliation based on a resistance program to liberate the [occupied] territory and regain rights," he added.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1058514.html

 

[basketcase]

And if there's any doubt as to the real motivation behind Hamas,

Hamas rejects long-term truce
As a Hamas delegation discussed a materializing ceasefire Sunday with Egyptian Intelligence Chief Omar Suleiman, a spokesman for the organization in Gaza reiterated its stark rejection of a long-term truce with Israel.

The spokesman, Ismail Radwan, said a long-term agreement "will kill the resistance, which is the Palestinian people's legitimate right as long as the occupation continues to exist."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3661622,00.html

So in other words, Hamas is worried that peace will take away the reason for Hamas to exist.

I guess Hamas thinks it's better to have conflict with them in control than to give their people peace.

 

[gryfin]

The proof is there, toots. You're just too thick to see it.

In other words, you have no proof.

 

[gryfin]

And here's an article that includes names.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,603203,00.html#ref=rss

That's impressive Best Boy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078850/) but I think we are all at a loss to see what that has to do with Hamas using Human Shields which is what the challenge to provide proof was all about.

Unfortunately, the part where there is a claim that people are killed when standing up to Hamas just happens to come again from....guess what?...an unnamed neighbor.

But if it's a pat on the head you are looking for, I'll give you a little one to make you feel better.

Now go back to your train set.

 

[Inferno]

In other words, you have no proof.

A negative cannot be proven. But you already know that; you're just attempting to weasel your way into a seemingly victorious position.

Kind of like a terrorist who provokes an army, hides among his civilian population when the army retaliates, then emerges from the rubble to shout, "Ha! I'm still alive, suckers! I win, you lose!"

Survey the photos of Gaza. Some buildings are still standing. If that's not satisfactory for you, ok then: tell your Hamas heroes to resume firing rockets into Israel so that the IDF can finish the job.

My point - since it continues to elude you - is that Israel sent in ground forces to LIMIT civilian casualties. If they had wanted to reduce the number of Israeli casualties, they could have just pounded Gaza into dust from above. It would have been simpler, cheaper and safer (for Israelis, that is).

BTW, it's interesting (well, comical, actually) to reflect upon Haniyeh's cmments on the eve of the war that Gaza "would become a cemetary" for the Israelis who entered. Yeah, that sure went according to plan, didn't it?

The Hezbollah boys must be snickering under their kaffiyehs...

 

[gryfin]

A negative cannot be proven. But you already know that; you're just attempting to weasel your way into a seemingly victorious position.

Kind of like a terrorist who provokes an army, hides among his civilian population when the army retaliates, then emerges from the rubble to shout, "Ha! I'm still alive, suckers! I win, you lose!"

Survey the photos of Gaza. Some buildings are still standing. If that's not satisfactory for you, ok then: tell your Hamas heroes to resume firing rockets into Israel so that the IDF can finish the job.

My point - since it continues to elude you - is that Israel sent in ground forces to LIMIT civilian casualties. If they had wanted to reduce the number of Israeli casualties, they could have just pounded Gaza into dust from above. It would have been simpler, cheaper and safer (for Israelis, that is).

BTW, it's interesting (well, comical, actually) to reflect upon Haniyeh's cmments on the eve of the war that Gaza "would become a cemetary" for the Israelis who entered. Yeah, that sure went according to plan, didn't it?

The Hezbollah boys must be snickering under their kaffiyehs...

In other words, you've go no proof.

 

[Inferno]

In other words, you've go no proof.

Tell you what: prove to me, first-hand, that there really are 72 virgins awaiting you in Heaven, and I'll concede the point.

 

[gryfin]

Tell you what: prove to me, first-hand, that there really are 72 virgins awaiting you in Heaven, and I'll concede the point.

In other words, you've got no proof.

 

[Inferno]

In other words, you've got no proof.

And you've got no proof that Israel couldn't have levelled the entire Gaza Strip if it had wanted to (although sane readers may disagree with you).

So we're at a stalemate.

The difference is that Israel achieved its objectives: Hamas hasn't fired a rocket for a number of days now.

What has Hamas achieved? And what have you achieved by supporting Hamas?

 

[gryfin]

And you've got no proof that Israel couldn't have levelled the entire Gaza Strip if it had wanted to (although sane readers may disagree with you).

So we're at a stalemate.

The difference is that Israel achieved its objectives: Hamas hasn't fired a rocket for a number of days now.

What has Hamas achieved? And what have you achieved by supporting Hamas?

No, we are not at a stalemate. You made the assertion, not I. I'm just asking if you had any proof or if you are just a blowhard.

It's pretty simple.

 

[fuji]

In other words, you've go no proof.

Gryfin, you would demand proof that 2+2=4 if it being true meant that you were wrong.

Your view here is unbelievable: You think that Israel used its full military might in Gaza and the result was only a few hundred civilian casualties.

Plainly Israel showed restraint and took steps to minimize casualties or else PLAINLY there would have been a lot more.

You can call that opinion if you want: It's also my opinion that 2+2=4. You are essentially an individual who is incapable of acknowledging when you're wrong, even when you are BLINDINGLY wrong.

 

[fuji]

What has Hamas achieved? And what have you achieved by supporting Hamas?

Hamas has achieved absolutely nothing, but in Gryfin's case, I suspect he receives a paycheque.

 

[slowandeasy]

I am sorry to say, but I see now that guys like Fuji etc, are simply the flip side of Gryfin.... one is just as biased as the other.

Fuji, when does Israel expect to turn the West Bank back over to the Pals?

Did anyone of you guys see the 60 minutes piece today???

 

[digdoo]

The icing on the cake? The Israeli's trotted out their "The dog ate my homework" excuse and claimed that Hamas was in his house and firing at them.

And they probably were. I have seen it firsthand and fought it. Have you? Or do you just spout off what you read thirdhand?