I took a civilian out on a date #2

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I never ever thought that I would to be able to take a woman out on a date who was exactly my type anytime soon. She had her boobs done, nails done, an amazing BBL, fake long nails, lip fillers and Botox work done on her face. She was everything that I was looking for in a woman.

One Friday night at 1:55 AM, I was leaving a club and driving out of a parking lot. I unexpectedly get a phone call from woman who I’ve been trying to date for years. It was one of the most random phone calls that I’ve ever gotten. She was asking me what I was doing. I was asking her why she’s calling me at almost 2 am in the morning. To summarize the dialogue of our conversation on the phone in short form, We set up a date for us to meet.

The following week on the night of our date, I texted her that I was on my way to the agreed upon location at the agreed time. She texts me back to meet her at a different spot and a different time. I wish she told me beforehand that she wanted to go somewhere else but whatever.

So I arrive to the new location, went inside and I see her and unexpectedly her female friend. I hug her, sat beside her and introduced myself to her friend. As soon as I saw her friend, I instinctively had my guard up; I didn’t want to be a sucker to get invited to a bar just to pay for two women their tabs.

I said to her “You didn’t tell me that you were bringing somebody else…”

She said “Oh I didn’t know it was going to be a problem.”

I said “You should have told me so I can prepare myself.”

It was bit of a slight mood killer but we got past that quickly after an uninvited male guest came to our table and sat beside my date’s friend.

During the night, we did a lot of hugging, hand holding and had a few smooches here and there. Our thighs are touch each other. I was feeling her BBL booty from time to time; It looks so damn good. She said “Don’t touch me. I’m not a piece of meat and I play hard to get.”

She started a business and she gave me her business card. She was giving me a rate and I asked her “Are you client-zoning me?”


“Is this what you invited me for?”


She looked slightly offended. “Are you serious? You think I would get you to drive all the way here just to get you to be my client?”

She suggested that we split the bill of our drinks and shots between the both of us. I tipped the waitress 5 percent. She did not look happy with me. I wasn’t sure it was because I didn’t insist on paying both our tabs, because I didn’t the tip the waitress enough or both. We had a non-toxic argument and she was telling me that wanted to be alone now. I was truly heartbroken and because genuinely enjoyed my time with her. I gave her a long warm hug and kissed her on the cheek because I really didn’t want to leave.

To conclude and as a self-assessment, I think me messing around with strippers and escorts has got me vigilant about women trying to take me for granted but for the worst. I was using the same guards that I use when I meet sex workers for dating and I think that is what came back to bite me in the ass.

Ever since I acquainted myself with sex workers, I get vigilant about women trying to take advantage of me.
 

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If I get a call from a woman at 2am the first thing I am thinking is booty call.
I can't decipher the events that took place on your date. All kinds of strange.
 

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It's good you're vigilant of the signals of the stunts that were going to be pulled on you...paying for her friend and that other guy probably
 

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Sorry to hear my friend - but why would you ever cross that line. SP's are there to provide you a service, if you want to date - you need to date outside our hobby lifestyle - these worlds do not coexist together.
 

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Sorry to hear my friend - but why would you ever cross that line. SP's are there to provide you a service, if you want to date - you need to date outside our hobby lifestyle - these worlds do not coexist together.
Sorry I’m not understanding you. I had a date with a civilian. Not an SP.
 
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Ahh sorry - my misunderstanding. Need to get laid - don't know how totally misread that :ROFLMAO: .
 

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I never ever thought that I would to be able to take a woman out on a date who was exactly my type anytime soon. She had her boobs done, nails done, an amazing BBL, fake long nails, lip fillers and Botox work done on her face. She was everything that I was looking for in a woman.

One Friday night at 1:55 AM, I was leaving a club and driving out of a parking lot. I unexpectedly get a phone call from woman who I’ve been trying to date for years. It was one of the most random phone calls that I’ve ever gotten. She was asking me what I was doing. I was asking her why she’s calling me at almost 2 am in the morning. To summarize the dialogue of our conversation on the phone in short form, We set up a date for us to meet.

The following week on the night of our date, I texted her that I was on my way to the agreed upon location at the agreed time. She texts me back to meet her at a different spot and a different time. I wish she told me beforehand that she wanted to go somewhere else but whatever.

So I arrive to the new location, went inside and I see her and unexpectedly her female friend. I hug her, sat beside her and introduced myself to her friend. As soon as I saw her friend, I instinctively had my guard up; I didn’t want to be a sucker to get invited to a bar just to pay for two women their tabs.

I said to her “You didn’t tell me that you were bringing somebody else…”

She said “Oh I didn’t know it was going to be a problem.”

I said “You should have told me so I can prepare myself.”

It was bit of a slight mood killer but we got past that quickly after an uninvited male guest came to our table and sat beside my date’s friend.

During the night, we did a lot of hugging, hand holding and had a few smooches here and there. Our thighs are touch each other. I was feeling her BBL booty from time to time; It looks so damn good. She said “Don’t touch me. I’m not a piece of meat and I play hard to get.”

She started a business and she gave me her business card. She was giving me a rate and I asked her “Are you client-zoning me?”


“Is this what you invited me for?”


She looked slightly offended. “Are you serious? You think I would get you to drive all the way here just to get you to be my client?”

She suggested that we split the bill of our drinks and shots between the both of us. I tipped the waitress 5 percent. She did not look happy with me. I wasn’t sure it was because I didn’t insist on paying both our tabs, because I didn’t the tip the waitress enough or both. We had a non-toxic argument and she was telling me that wanted to be alone now. I was truly heartbroken and because genuinely enjoyed my time with her. I gave her a long warm hug and kissed her on the cheek because I really didn’t want to leave.

To conclude and as a self-assessment, I think me messing around with strippers and escorts has got me vigilant about women trying to take me for granted but for the worst. I was using the same guards that I use when I meet sex workers for dating and I think that is what came back to bite me in the ass.

Ever since I acquainted myself with sex workers, I get vigilant about women trying to take advantage of me.
I really don’t totally understand what happened here, but yes, I think you have become hypervigilant about getting taken advantage of. If you are going to be successful in dating you will need to let your guard down a bit. Sure you may get taken advantage of once in a while, but if you are overly suspicious of everyone, and trust nobody, you will never be able to form a relationship of any sort. Relationships need to be founded on some degree of trust. You need to be able to take that chance.
 
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so I read a couple of flags that I would have not even bothered with a date.

1) calling out of the middle of nowhere after a long time you made your interest apparent to her.

2) you made a planned date. if she really likes you she really wont care where you are meeting since she is really interest in you, not the place. her texting back and changing the venue and time show very little respect for your time and choice. again if shes into you she wont care.

3) her female friend is with her. this was a date between you and her, not a threesome unless its been previously negotiated. the entitlement of the chick is unreal. I would have walked out at that point. Im not a meal ticket and the it shows me the lack of serious interest with her if she is bringing her friend along.

4) she was getting a free meal and networking for work imo.

could have been a foodie call with a side of networking. sure you touched her but women uses their wares to their advantage to get what they want and influence. it doesnt seem that she was that into you.
 

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so I read a couple of flags that I would have not even bothered with a date.

1) calling out of the middle of nowhere after a long time you made your interest apparent to her.

2) you made a planned date. if she really likes you she really wont care where you are meeting since she is really interest in you, not the place. her texting back and changing the venue and time show very little respect for your time and choice. again if shes into you she wont care.

3) her female friend is with her. this was a date between you and her, not a threesome unless its been previously negotiated. the entitlement of the chick is unreal. I would have walked out at that point. Im not a meal ticket and the it shows me the lack of serious interest with her if she is bringing her friend along.

4) she was getting a free meal and networking for work imo.

could have been a foodie call with a side of networking. sure you touched her but women uses their wares to their advantage to get what they want and influence. it doesnt seem that she was that into you.
To the original poster- guy nailed it. 👆There are plenty of fish in the sea. I wouldn't spend anymore time with her after this date.

I also think that you do come across a tad stingy. I would have tipped at minimum 15%. Cut corners elsewhere unless the service provided was subpar.

It sounds like you still had a possible interest in her at the time of settling the bill. If so, I would have definitely picked up the tab as well.
 

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She had her boobs done, nails done, an amazing BBL, fake long nails, lip fillers and Botox work done on her face.
The cash for that came from somewhere. If she's successful enough to afford it on her own, there's no reason to assume she's just trying to use you for a free dinner. If she isn't able to afford it on her own, then you knew what you were getting in to: a high maintenance woman used to being spoiled.

I said “You should have told me so I can prepare myself.”
What would you do differently to prepare if you had known?

During the night, we did a lot of hugging, hand holding and had a few smooches here and there. I was feeling her BBL booty from time to time; She started a business and she gave me her business card. She was giving me a rate and I asked her “Are you client-zoning me?”
She's holding your hand and kissing you, and you think she's trying to get you to be a client? Unless her business is in the sex industry, I'm not sure why you'd assume that.

She suggested that we split the bill of our drinks and shots between the both of us.
So you went out prepared to pay for her, but then didn't. Unless she's independently wealthy, a woman with that much work done is expecting to be taken care of.

I tipped the waitress 5 percent.
So not only did you not pay for your date, but you were also stodgy with your tip. You're out with a woman who has spent huge amounts on her looks, and so clearly cares about appearances and clearly has expensive tastes and likes, and decided to be cheap?

She did not look happy with me.
I'm not surprised. You're on a date, so she's expecting you to show your A-game, and you just showed her you're a cheapskate.

I wasn’t sure it was because I didn’t insist on paying both our tabs, because I didn’t the tip the waitress enough or both.
Almost definitely both.

I was truly heartbroken and because genuinely enjoyed my time with her. I gave her a long warm hug and kissed her on the cheek because I really didn’t want to leave.
If you had such a great time with her, maybe you should have reflected that either by picking up the tab or tipping a usual amount.

To conclude and as a self-assessment, I think me messing around with strippers and escorts has got me vigilant about women trying to take me for granted but for the worst. I was using the same guards that I use when I meet sex workers for dating and I think that is what came back to bite me in the ass.
I think the problem is you cheaped out around a woman that's clearly not into cheap things. You'll either need to pry open that wallet in future or find a woman that's equally frugal. But a frugal woman is unlikely to have all the work done.
 

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What would you do differently to prepare if you had known?
I would have texted her that I would not be interested in seeing her if she was going to go out with her friend and that I want to go out with her only.


She's holding your hand and kissing you, and you think she's trying to get you to be a client? Unless her business is in the sex industry, I'm not sure why you'd assume that.
I think it was a bad assumption on my part. It was unnecessary vigilance; She's visually the civilian version of all the strippers, MPAs and escorts that I have seen over the years due to the fact that she has work done on her body just like all of the sex workers that I have met over the years. The second reason was she changed the location and time of our date and once I got there, I saw her and her friend. I was trying to be careful that I wasn't getting played by being a used wallet for her and her friend. I may have dumped a bit of baggage on her. She asked me a question that was a long the lines of "Did a woman use you in the past?" I answered "I just don't like when women play games. That's all."

I approached the date from the frame as if I was seeing a sex worker by being too vigilant which led to my downfall.


So not only did you not pay for your date, but you were also stodgy with your tip. You're out with a woman who has spent huge amounts on her looks, and so clearly cares about appearances and clearly has expensive tastes and likes, and decided to be cheap?
That was my fault and I take full accountability. I got too protective and vigilant of how I spend my money on women ever since I greatly reduced the rate of me hobbying over the past year and a half and I was in disbelief that was interested in seeing me in the first place.


Thank you for your lengthy post. I really appreciate it.
 

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Sorry to hear my friend - but why would you ever cross that line. SP's are there to provide you a service, if you want to date - you need to date outside our hobby lifestyle - these worlds do not coexist together.

She had her boobs done, nails done, an amazing BBL, fake long nails, lip fillers and Botox work done on her face. She was everything that I was looking for in a woman.
Sounds and probably looks like an SP to me.
 

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I never ever thought that I would to be able to take a woman out on a date who was exactly my type anytime soon. She had her boobs done, nails done, an amazing BBL, fake long nails, lip fillers and Botox work done on her face. She was everything that I was looking for in a woman.

One Friday night at 1:55 AM, I was leaving a club and driving out of a parking lot. I unexpectedly get a phone call from woman who I’ve been trying to date for years. It was one of the most random phone calls that I’ve ever gotten. She was asking me what I was doing. I was asking her why she’s calling me at almost 2 am in the morning. To summarize the dialogue of our conversation on the phone in short form, We set up a date for us to meet.

The following week on the night of our date, I texted her that I was on my way to the agreed upon location at the agreed time. She texts me back to meet her at a different spot and a different time. I wish she told me beforehand that she wanted to go somewhere else but whatever.

So I arrive to the new location, went inside and I see her and unexpectedly her female friend. I hug her, sat beside her and introduced myself to her friend. As soon as I saw her friend, I instinctively had my guard up; I didn’t want to be a sucker to get invited to a bar just to pay for two women their tabs.

I said to her “You didn’t tell me that you were bringing somebody else…”

She said “Oh I didn’t know it was going to be a problem.”

I said “You should have told me so I can prepare myself.”

It was bit of a slight mood killer but we got past that quickly after an uninvited male guest came to our table and sat beside my date’s friend.

During the night, we did a lot of hugging, hand holding and had a few smooches here and there. Our thighs are touch each other. I was feeling her BBL booty from time to time; It looks so damn good. She said “Don’t touch me. I’m not a piece of meat and I play hard to get.”

She started a business and she gave me her business card. She was giving me a rate and I asked her “Are you client-zoning me?”


“Is this what you invited me for?”


She looked slightly offended. “Are you serious? You think I would get you to drive all the way here just to get you to be my client?”

She suggested that we split the bill of our drinks and shots between the both of us. I tipped the waitress 5 percent. She did not look happy with me. I wasn’t sure it was because I didn’t insist on paying both our tabs, because I didn’t the tip the waitress enough or both. We had a non-toxic argument and she was telling me that wanted to be alone now. I was truly heartbroken and because genuinely enjoyed my time with her. I gave her a long warm hug and kissed her on the cheek because I really didn’t want to leave.

To conclude and as a self-assessment, I think me messing around with strippers and escorts has got me vigilant about women trying to take me for granted but for the worst. I was using the same guards that I use when I meet sex workers for dating and I think that is what came back to bite me in the ass.

Ever since I acquainted myself with sex workers, I get vigilant about women trying to take advantage of me.
My biggest takeaway from this is THIS - and as I say this that I am not overly generous myself but I want to pay a fair price, and that includes tipping , especially minimum wage workers, when tipping is conventional behavior for reasonable service . . I DO NOT WANT TO APPEAR CHEAP !! If the service was adequate a 5% is the equivalent to stiffing the waitress. I cannot imagine many behaviors that are as likely to embarrass or turn-off my companion. SHAME ON YOU !!
 

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One Friday night at 1:55 AM, I was leaving a club and driving out of a parking lot. I unexpectedly get a phone call from woman who I’ve been trying to date for years. It was one of the most random phone calls that I’ve ever gotten. She was asking me what I was doing. I was asking her why she’s calling me at almost 2 am in the morning. To summarize the dialogue of our conversation on the phone in short form, We set up a date for us to meet.

The following week on the night of our date, I texted her that I was on my way to the agreed upon location at the agreed time. She texts me back to meet her at a different spot and a different time. I wish she told me beforehand that she wanted to go somewhere else but whatever.
She's not seriously interested in you or she's into playing mind games.
Walk away.

Also, don't be a cheapskate.
 
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You being vigilant about not getting suckered paid off IMO...she was presumptive that everything would be ok to have a chaperone on a date between 2 adults? that's a major red flag...unless her answer to your question was...oh, don't worry she's DTF and so am I...and 3 some is on the table....then that changes everything...she only offered to split the bill because you saw through her BS...still should've tipped the waitress adequately though...
 
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The cash for that came from somewhere. If she's successful enough to afford it on her own, there's no reason to assume she's just trying to use you for a free dinner. If she isn't able to afford it on her own, then you knew what you were getting in to: a high maintenance woman used to being spoiled.



What would you do differently to prepare if you had known?



She's holding your hand and kissing you, and you think she's trying to get you to be a client? Unless her business is in the sex industry, I'm not sure why you'd assume that.



So you went out prepared to pay for her, but then didn't. Unless she's independently wealthy, a woman with that much work done is expecting to be taken care of.



So not only did you not pay for your date, but you were also stodgy with your tip. You're out with a woman who has spent huge amounts on her looks, and so clearly cares about appearances and clearly has expensive tastes and likes, and decided to be cheap?



I'm not surprised. You're on a date, so she's expecting you to show your A-game, and you just showed her you're a cheapskate.



Almost definitely both.



If you had such a great time with her, maybe you should have reflected that either by picking up the tab or tipping a usual amount.



I think the problem is you cheaped out around a woman that's clearly not into cheap things. You'll either need to pry open that wallet in future or find a woman that's equally frugal. But a frugal woman is unlikely to have all the work done.
Yeah, I mean men pay $200 for companionship with a woman at dinner. The woman must have spent a lot of time and money on herself, and to get ready to see you. I guarantee you that she spent at least one hour, getting herself ready, putting on make up, and choosing an outfit. And she spent time coordinating with her friend to see you. Maybe she thought you would be pleasantly surprised to meet her friend. Or maybe she’s just felt more comfortable bringing a friend, as meeting a guy in this day and age by yourself can be kind of scary.

She let you flirt with her and touch her body, and you you had a great time,don’t want to even pay for their meal?

And 5% tip on a meal is inexcusable, period.

Sorry, you have no sympathy from me
 
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Dude. I just re read this. You split the drink tab and on your half, you tipped 5%??!!?? You put a huge amount of pressure on your big boob, bbl, lip filler girl to make it right when she paid her half!

You got this whole thing all wrong. Just go on a date, act like normal human, have a conversation, pick up the tab, or at least if she insists you split it, don’t cheap out on the tip. Ffs.

And you may want to reevaluate your super specific physical criteria for appearance. It’s a bit weird being so focused on such a look and women pick up on weird
 

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Dude. I just re read this. You split the drink tab and on your half, you tipped 5%??!!?? You put a huge amount of pressure on your big boob, bbl, lip filler girl to make it right when she paid her half!

You got this whole thing all wrong. Just go on a date, act like normal human, have a conversation, pick up the tab, or at least if she insists you split it, don’t cheap out on the tip. Ffs.

And you may want to reevaluate your super specific physical criteria for appearance. It’s a bit weird being so focused on such a look and women pick up on weird
Oh, it wasn’t even dinner, just drinks, and he was too cheap to even pay for for hers 🤦‍♀️
 
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