I think we will know before too long if the COVID shutdown was necessary...

[basketcase]

NO.

If a year from now deaths are the same, then the COVID deaths CLEARLY replaced deaths that would have occurred otherwise.
...

To be precise, the lockdown and societal changes may result in fewer deaths from other causes. Without a lockdown we'd see more covid deaths and the normal number of other deaths. That means the lockdown would have had a double benefit.


(to be fair, some people who died of covid may have died of the flu this year but considering we've topped 9000 covid deaths vs. and average of 1000 flu deaths, the impact would be minimal)

 

[basketcase]

Fatso eats potato chips till her tummy explodes, blame Covid.

I bet Fatso, their friends, and family would rather that death be from diabetes in 2030 than covid in 2020.

 

[lenny2]

And the whole freaking 'shutdown' thing saved no lives, other than a few months of life. But at a cost of ruined lives for many business owners and employees.

What is obviously clear is that the shutdowns have resulted in the following

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

 

[lenny2]

Your whole idea that "and the whole freaking shutdown thing saved no lives other than a few months of life" is fully incorrect.

8 months into a pandemic and what we have learned from scientific data from around the world is that shutdowns work in limiting the spread of the Coronavirus, in effect reducing the numbers of deaths caused from it, if you haven't understood this yet 8 months into the pandemic, you just don't understand data and facts.

Shutdowns saved millions of lives relative to just treating C-19 as "like another flu".

 

[lenny2]

Based on the latest update from the CDC only 6% of all the deaths were without comorbidities. I think most healthy people would take those odds any day of the week.

If you don't like the odds and or have comorbidities stay home!

The problem is these presumed "healthy (infected) people" are by their irresponsibility & selfishness murdering the ones you want to have shutin at home. Often they live in the same "home" together, i.e. the "healthy (infected) people" & the unhealthy uninfected persons.

Who has comorbidities? Anyone who is obese, like half the US population? And you want them to all become shutins? How will that save them? Being at home is often less safe than not being home.

 

[lenny2]

If you don't like the odds and or have comorbidities stay home!

Unfortunately some people have to work for a living.

In some places they even defy shutdown orders because they need to earn in order to eat.

 

[doggystyle99]

I posted something earlier in one of the covid threads.
cases are underreported. 4x to possibly 25x. Do the math.i don’t want to say it’s not as bad as the media or government is telling us but if the cases are 25x higher. Worst case SCenario, that means the death rate is much less than we are being told. SARS was worse and so was MERS as far as death rate is concerned

There is also the number of excess deaths being underreported by 60% worldwide and numerous reports and scientific data on it.
So while you may think "the death rate is much less than we are being told" the death rate will more than likely be very close to what was predicted which was 1-2%
But even on the lower end of 1% death rate it's a ridiculously high number due to the fact that this virus is so highly contagious.

It's ridiculous as some assume that number of cases are underreported by 4-25X more than what it actually is or will be due to lack of resources in so many countries, or due to some countries supressing the actual number of cases and then at the same time try and assume the numbers of deaths are not higher in the same countries.

 

[escortsxxx]

What is obviously clear is that the shutdowns have resulted in the following

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

Be nice if you give numbers say 2018 vs 2020

 

[TeeJay]

I completely understand having epidemiological discussions about death rates but it sure is ridiculous when the 'skeptics' try to use it to claim it's no big deal. The numbers that matter to everyday discussions are hospitalisations and deaths. People can factually claim that only a fraction of a percent of Americans have died from it but that doesn't change that more Americans have died in 8 months of this than died in WW1.

??? wtf?

WW1
4.7 Million Americans went to war
116,516 Dead
320,000 Wounded
That means that 436,516 / 4.7 had serious life altering events (dead or wounded in action)
OVER 9% of the group (and to be fair the US actually enjoyed much better success than many allied nations as trenches were a huge thing by then)

COVID

Why is COVID-19 data being presented as weekly statistics?

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

covid19.who.int

190,787 Dead
328 Million Americans in general population
So yeah the percentage of dead is WAY LOWER than WW1 percentages

We do not know the actual long term issues but I'll even throw you 500,000 Americans as an estimate and still not even close
And that is also not even separating any deaths which were covid "related" and not directly caused by covid
The real number is way lower, some are claiming as low as 6% of actual deaths


The virus itself had a 2% mortality rate? And thats assuming you were even exposed to it in first place

 

[escortsxxx]

Coronavirus: Body bags begin to fill New York's makeshift morgues

Photos taken at Wyckoff Heights Medical Center show the upsetting reality of New York's death figures.

news.sky.com