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ontario said:
Of course it's not legal, even though you probably won't get caught. Even if it were legal it isn't ethical; remember when you buy music you pay the artists (as well unfortuantely as the less deserving music companies). That' the other reason I like the iPod/iTunes set up. They managed to create a system whereby those of us that want to be legit most of the time can do so with ease and reasonable fairness. 99 cents a cut is ok by me, even though my kids manage to spend a lot of our money that way. At least I'm not teaching them that it is ok to steal.
sybaritic said:Of course it's not legal, even though you probably won't get caught. Even if it were legal it isn't ethical; remember when you buy music you pay the artists (as well unfortuantely as the less deserving music companies). That' the other reason I like the iPod/iTunes set up. They managed to create a system whereby those of us that want to be legit most of the time can do so with ease and reasonable fairness. 99 cents a cut is ok by me, even though my kids manage to spend a lot of our money that way. At least I'm not teaching them that it is ok to steal.
I used to agree with this but now I say bullshit,try and find troopers cd "ten".It is wrong that these companies own the music and release it at their leisure if ever!
by the way,anyone care to e-mail me "American dream" by trooper?
my 2 cents
I have the ipod mini. I love it. I rarely charge it and once I got used tot he software it was simple. I have the car adapter and it rocks (although not cheap but WELL worth it). I love it instead of LITERALLY 20-30 cd's in the car (i have a tiny audi) I just use my adapter. Also beats trying to change a cd on the Gardner Expressway lol.
I have the ipod mini. I love it. I rarely charge it and once I got used tot he software it was simple. I have the car adapter and it rocks (although not cheap but WELL worth it). I love it instead of LITERALLY 20-30 cd's in the car (i have a tiny audi) I just use my adapter. Also beats trying to change a cd on the Gardner Expressway lol.
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Not to mention the fact that 99 cents for a song is pretty close to the breakdown of the cost of a cd. If you have about 13-14 songs on a cd that costs 14.99-17.99, what's the difference? iTunes also sells whole albums for a cheaper price than the stores, and the new software allows you to download the liner notes to print out. I'm not going to argue ethics here, it seems silly to me.
Miss
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With any music rights..the song writer and lyric composer get the most of the song proceeds.
This is funeled through the company that owns the rights to the music, who takes a cut off the top for purchasing the rights when often the song has not been a hit.
Then the remaining rights go to the band members/producers/and anyone else listed in the rights package.
The MP3 craze has severely hit many music companies. Which is why they're striking back with almost unheard of zeal.
Liken it to the reaction the Globe and Mail would have if you somehow photocopied their paper and sold it at every street corner for less than they sell it..or gave it away free.
They'd shut you down in a heartbeat.
The music industry was incredibly late in responding to MP3's. The reaction they've had in lawsuits has not helped their reputation.
But..some very talented people have gone without a lot of money they would have normally received. If you're one of them..your opinion of the MP3 craze is quite different from the average consumer.
Are CD's overpriced? YES.
Remenber when you could buy a casette for 9 bucks..and then CD's came out and they were suddenly 20 bucks? The reason was sonic quality! Well in actual fact CD's are less expensive to create than a cassette.
No tape means a one piece construction, easily massed produced in quicker time than a cassette.
There is no reason why the CD should be any more money than a cassette..in fact it should be cheaper. We can buy CD's for about 2 cents in bulk..imagine what the replicating companies pay for blanks when buying in the millions. It's about .03 cents a blank or less.
Add in the artist rights...which have not changed since cassette days...and you have a huge profit for the record companies.
This is an over simplifed look at the profit structure...and every artist has their own deal, but, the bottom line is CD's are less expensive to produce and the price rose rather than dropping as it should have.
Mp3 will be around for a long time...and I have no sympathy for the record industry. I worked in broadcast for 25 years...and when we asked them about the increase in MP3 popularity 15 years ago..they spouted the company line that "MP3's would never be an issue".
The record companies had their heads stuck in the sand for so many years it's a joke.
Now they want to penalize the people that buy their product. I have absolutely no sympathy.
This is funeled through the company that owns the rights to the music, who takes a cut off the top for purchasing the rights when often the song has not been a hit.
Then the remaining rights go to the band members/producers/and anyone else listed in the rights package.
The MP3 craze has severely hit many music companies. Which is why they're striking back with almost unheard of zeal.
Liken it to the reaction the Globe and Mail would have if you somehow photocopied their paper and sold it at every street corner for less than they sell it..or gave it away free.
They'd shut you down in a heartbeat.
The music industry was incredibly late in responding to MP3's. The reaction they've had in lawsuits has not helped their reputation.
But..some very talented people have gone without a lot of money they would have normally received. If you're one of them..your opinion of the MP3 craze is quite different from the average consumer.
Are CD's overpriced? YES.
Remenber when you could buy a casette for 9 bucks..and then CD's came out and they were suddenly 20 bucks? The reason was sonic quality! Well in actual fact CD's are less expensive to create than a cassette.
No tape means a one piece construction, easily massed produced in quicker time than a cassette.
There is no reason why the CD should be any more money than a cassette..in fact it should be cheaper. We can buy CD's for about 2 cents in bulk..imagine what the replicating companies pay for blanks when buying in the millions. It's about .03 cents a blank or less.
Add in the artist rights...which have not changed since cassette days...and you have a huge profit for the record companies.
This is an over simplifed look at the profit structure...and every artist has their own deal, but, the bottom line is CD's are less expensive to produce and the price rose rather than dropping as it should have.
Mp3 will be around for a long time...and I have no sympathy for the record industry. I worked in broadcast for 25 years...and when we asked them about the increase in MP3 popularity 15 years ago..they spouted the company line that "MP3's would never be an issue".
The record companies had their heads stuck in the sand for so many years it's a joke.
Now they want to penalize the people that buy their product. I have absolutely no sympathy.
For the record...
The Globe and Mail wouldn't care if you photocopied and gave away their newspapers on street corners. An old lesson from journalism school. The broadsheet doesn't exist to tell the news, but to sell soap. Advertising dollars guys, plain and simple, that's where they make their money. The rate they charge you for the newspaper is heavily subsidised and frankly speaking, used to just cover the costs of production, to an extent. Big bucks in advertising. So go ahead, photocopy ALL you want...
As far as Ipods go, I don't get it, used one for a while, hate the god damned thing, sold it to a friend and bought a Sony HD-1. It's pretty much almost as small as your Nano player, but 20 gb in size, 30 hours of battery life, comes with a docking station and costs only 10 dollars more. Also it's made of metal and has a much sleeker design. I did spend however 250 bucks on headphones LMAO...Bang and Olufsen...coz I figure, most of these players, sound output is about the same...it's all in the sound reproduction hardware, i.e., headphones! Get a great pair of head phones and it doesn't matter.
The Globe and Mail wouldn't care if you photocopied and gave away their newspapers on street corners. An old lesson from journalism school. The broadsheet doesn't exist to tell the news, but to sell soap. Advertising dollars guys, plain and simple, that's where they make their money. The rate they charge you for the newspaper is heavily subsidised and frankly speaking, used to just cover the costs of production, to an extent. Big bucks in advertising. So go ahead, photocopy ALL you want...
As far as Ipods go, I don't get it, used one for a while, hate the god damned thing, sold it to a friend and bought a Sony HD-1. It's pretty much almost as small as your Nano player, but 20 gb in size, 30 hours of battery life, comes with a docking station and costs only 10 dollars more. Also it's made of metal and has a much sleeker design. I did spend however 250 bucks on headphones LMAO...Bang and Olufsen...coz I figure, most of these players, sound output is about the same...it's all in the sound reproduction hardware, i.e., headphones! Get a great pair of head phones and it doesn't matter.
This is total nonsense.MarkII said:
- few recording companies produce their own retail products. The manufacturing is often performed by a totally seperate company.
- Duplicating companies don't buy blank CDs or DVDs. These products are molded; not "burned" as you would on your home computer. They are also coated after molding so they are more durable/resistante to scratches.
- CD and DVD manufacture is more expensive because of the process involved in producing the production masters used during the molding process.
- the price charged to the recording company for CDs is between 2 amd 2.5 times what is charged for a cassette.
- production of cassetes is technically much simpiler then CDs, which is why they are cheaper.
The nano pods came
HD-1 is not nearly as small and light as the ipod nano, which doesn't have a hard disk and is smaller than a business card, and not that much thicker. For me it is the perfect size. Don't need 20 GB to bring music to the gym or take the equivalent of 50 CDs on a road trip. Have had mine for twenty four hrs and I'm really liking it. Very rapid response in searching for selections or pictures, because there is no delay to access the hard drive. There is just nothing else like it out there yet. Today I saw a 2 GB memory stick advertised for $199, which really makes the 4 GB nano seem like a bargain. I'm sure there will be competitors soon of course.
Definitely agree with you about the head phones, though.
excorrigere said:
HD-1 is not nearly as small and light as the ipod nano, which doesn't have a hard disk and is smaller than a business card, and not that much thicker. For me it is the perfect size. Don't need 20 GB to bring music to the gym or take the equivalent of 50 CDs on a road trip. Have had mine for twenty four hrs and I'm really liking it. Very rapid response in searching for selections or pictures, because there is no delay to access the hard drive. There is just nothing else like it out there yet. Today I saw a 2 GB memory stick advertised for $199, which really makes the 4 GB nano seem like a bargain. I'm sure there will be competitors soon of course.
Definitely agree with you about the head phones, though.
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