I hate Alex Rios

[dj1470]

What a chump.

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NAS...tent_id=1639280&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

This is not new for me. Took my daughters to a Jays game last year vs. Orioles and we sat behind the Jays dugout about 15 rows up. After an inning Rios runs in and throws a ball over the dugout into the crowd and a young boy gets it. Rios then stands there and starts pointing for the kid to give the ball to some 20ish guy two rows back. The kid doesn't want to do it but Rios started yelling and the kid did. Turns out the guy was Rios' buddy and wanted a game ball. This is when I really started to hate Alex Rios. He couldn't let the kid have a ball and bring his buddy into the clubhouse and , I don't know, give him 30 balls, 5 bats, 3 gloves, and a brick of gold??????? What a pre-madonna asshole. Can't wait for the Jays to drop this asswipe.

 

[blueline]

From the above-mentioned article:

Afterwards, Rios was rendered speechless when asked what kind of feeling he experienced when he saw the ball land in the stands.

"What kind of feeling? I mean, I don't know," Rios said. "I don't know what to say. It felt like -- I don't know."

Nuke LaLoosh couldn't have said it any better than that !!!!

 

[mandrill]

Well, he shouldn't have dropped it. OTOH it was a very hard hit ball and Doc was having an off night to say the least.

 

[slowandeasy]

Hey hate the guy for a lot of things but he is 21 and english is his second

language ... We would all sound dumb if we went to their country and

tried to answer reporters in their native lanaguage ..

To add to your sentiment guy... what the fuck do people expect the guy to say??? If he says it was funny... people will rip him another asshole... and if he whines that he felt like crap, people will call him a whiner...

 

[GlavaMan]

What a chump.

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NAS...tent_id=1639280&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor

This is not new for me. Took my daughters to a Jays game last year vs. Orioles and we sat behind the Jays dugout about 15 rows up. After an inning Rios runs in and throws a ball over the dugout into the crowd and a young boy gets it. Rios then stands there and starts pointing for the kid to give the ball to some 20ish guy two rows back. The kid doesn't want to do it but Rios started yelling and the kid did. Turns out the guy was Rios' buddy and wanted a game ball. This is when I really started to hate Alex Rios. He couldn't let the kid have a ball and bring his buddy into the clubhouse and , I don't know, give him 30 balls, 5 bats, 3 gloves, and a brick of gold??????? What a pre-madonna asshole. Can't wait for the Jays to drop this asswipe.

The kid should have thrown the ball back at Rios!

 

[blueline]

Hey hate the guy for a lot of things but he is 21 and english is his second

language ... We would all sound dumb if we went to their country and

tried to answer reporters in their native lanaguage ..

Hey lighten up Roch-man and maybe get a sense of humour. I know one thing, if I was Doc Halliday, I would have been pissed. "Heavy hitting" Alex Cora just got his 1st and definitely his last HR of the season and Doc took another loss. Could you imagine if that had been Dave Steib pitching? How the hell can that happen? Even Jose Canseco thinks that's jacked up.

"Blame it on RIO-S"

 

[dann]

Supposedly Stieb was the biggest asshole of all time. He put a friend of mines kid in tears.

I remember McGriff threw me a ball, I'll never forget that. He was a good guy from whay I saw.

 

[salsamarc]

Hey lighten up Roch-man and maybe get a sense of humour. I know one thing, if I was Doc Halliday, I would have been pissed. "Heavy hitting" Alex Cora just got his 1st and definitely his last HR of the season and Doc took another loss. Could you imagine if that had been Dave Steib pitching? How the hell can that happen? Even Jose Canseco thinks that's jacked up.

"Blame it on RIO-S"

recuerda que el juego estaba empatado 6 a 6 en esa entrada lo mejor que podia pasarle a Doc seria un empate....

Translation: Remember the game was tied at that point most likely Doc would have gotten a no decision....

furthermore, even though he is Toronto's Ace he was pitching like Shit that night, no Ramirez, Varitek or Ortiz and he allowed all those runs??? Rios made a mistake but Doc did not help his cause that night

 

[blueline]

Perfectly said ... I don't know the stats but maybe in the early part of the
season a home run or great catch by Rios won a game for Doc .. You
win as a team and you lose as a team ... Thats the bottom line ..

Baseball, unlike most other sports, is more of an individual sport. One player can win or lose a game all by himself - think about it. Every pitch, every play it is up to one individual to do something and it is magnified moreso than in any other sport. There is no blocking, no playmaking like in hockey, no defensive schemes like in basketball. Sure everyone on that team has a role, but each player can control the outcome of a game all by himself. So I don't buy your 'win as a team - lose as a team bullshit'. The guy took a catchable ball and it ended up over the wall. A bonehead play that cost them the game. It also may have cost Halliday the Cy Young as he has lots of company with very comparable stats. Rios catches that ball, it knocks off 2 earned runs, and quite possibly erases a loss if he doesn't come out for the 8th in a 4-4 tie.

A good example is the 1986 World Series. Who got the blame for the loss? Not the Red Sox team that 'won and lost together', but it was Bill Buckner who took all the heat for that one. Individuals win and lose games in baseball more than any other sport. Rios blew it and Rios cost them the game.

 

[salsamarc]

Sure everyone on that team has a role, but each player can control the outcome of a game all by himself. So I don't buy your 'win as a team - lose as a team bullshit'.

so by your logic when a pitcher like Halliday throws over 100 pitches in the game he pretty much has to be perfect in order to win the game???

* ever heard of double plays?

* a catcher throwing out a runner? or getting hit while blocking the plate standing his ground to record an out?

* an outfielder going after a ball and making a diving catch or taking some punishment while slaming against the wall?

* a base runner sliding head first into second to get in scoring position with no out because his team is down by one?

* a hitter bunting the ball in sacrifice (which means sacrificing himself to allow his teamate to move an extra base)

and you say THERE IS NO team work in baseball ?????

 

[blueline]

so by your logic when a pitcher like Halliday throws over 100 pitches in the game he pretty much has to be perfect in order to win the game???

* ever heard of double plays?

* a catcher throwing out a runner? or getting hit while blocking the plate standing his ground to record an out?

* an outfielder going after a ball and making a diving catch or taking some punishment while slaming against the wall?

* a base runner sliding head first into second to get in scoring position with no out because his team is down by one?

* a hitter bunting the ball in sacrifice (which means sacrificing himself to allow his teamate to move an extra base)

and you say THERE IS NO team work in baseball ?????

You just proved my point man. Your examples are ALL individual efforts. On every pitch, ONE player alone has the opportunity to change the complexion of the game. He doesnt' execute one of these plays, he alone stands out in the crowd.

"This is a simple game. You Throw the ball. You Hit the ball. You Catch the ball"

regards,
The Manager of the Durham Bulls, while standing in the shower.

 

[fantasiafan]

Supposedly Stieb was the biggest asshole of all time. He put a friend of mines kid in tears.

I remember McGriff threw me a ball, I'll never forget that. He was a good guy from whay I saw.

Cuz what, baseball players are suppossed to be kind gentle people? All of a sudden the machismo we've all come to know amongst men in the locker rooms is suppossed to be absent from these guys? For us, ok, some(most) are amateurs and our lives arent surrounded by constant testosterone/steroid rampages, but yet we somehow expect pros to mythically all be decent respectful rolemodels for our kids? lol.

 

[shack]

You just proved my point man. Your examples are ALL individual efforts. On every pitch, ONE player alone has the opportunity to change the complexion of the game. He doesnt' execute one of these plays, he alone stands out in the crowd.

"This is a simple game. You Throw the ball. You Hit the ball. You Catch the ball"

regards,
The Manager of the Durham Bulls, while standing in the shower.

So by your logic, sports like football and hockey are determined by individual efforts, the same as baseball.

A linebacker making a tackle, a receiver making a catch, a quarterback throwing a pass, a kicker making a field goal, a centre making the long snap are all individual afforts. If any player doesn't execute he stands out.

A goalie making a save, a defenceman blocking a shot, a centre winning a faceoff are also individual efforts. If any player doesn't execute, he stands out. Every team sport comes down to individual plays.

Name a team sport where every individual is doing the same thing at the same time together. If that is not the case then it is a group of individuals doing different things but working together towards a common result. That is a team sport and baseball is no different than the others. For Rios to missplay that ball the catcher had to make the call for a particular pitch and Halladay had to pitch it to a certain spot at a certain velocity at a certain trajectory. All individual acts but all 3 players were involved in the play and if any one of them does anything at all different the play turns out differently.

Baseball is a team sport like all the others.

 

[blueline]

So by your logic, sports like football and hockey are determined by individual efforts, the same as baseball.

A linebacker making a tackle, a receiver making a catch, a quarterback throwing a pass, a kicker making a field goal, a centre making the long snap are all individual afforts. If any player doesn't execute he stands out.

A goalie making a save, a defenceman blocking a shot, a centre winning a faceoff are also individual efforts. If any player doesn't execute, he stands out. Every team sport comes down to individual plays.

Name a team sport where every individual is doing the same thing at the same time together. If that is not the case then it is a group of individuals doing different things but working together towards a common result. That is a team sport and baseball is no different than the others. For Rios to missplay that ball the catcher had to make the call for a particular pitch and Halladay had to pitch it to a certain spot at a certain velocity at a certain trajectory. All individual acts but all 3 players were involved in the play.

Baseball is a team sport like all the others.

I will make it simple for you people. Now try to follow along, okay.

When a coach calls a timeout in hockey, football and basketball, what does he usually do? Draw a few X's and O's with some lines. Every player on that play has to contribute to make that play work.

There are no X's and O's in baseball. What the hell did Wells or Overbay or Hill have to do wth that play that Rios botched? The point I was trying to make, that you all seem to have missed, is that baseball is more of an individual game than the other three. Of course it is a team sport, I am not that stupid. But on each pitch, each batted ball (which are potential run scoring plays) only one person can determine the outcome of the game. On each pitch, something is going to happen that can result in a scoring play. That doesn't happen in the other sports, it takes a series of plays, a unit working together to produce a scoring play. Halliday throws a pitch that ends up on the Mass Pike, who gets criticized? Troy Glaus? A RB has a lousy game, or didn't make a 1st down, a QB gets sacked 6 times. What one player gets the blame? That is usually the result of your "7 Blocks of Granite" turning into the "7 Blocks of Silly Putty".

A-Rod K's with the basesloaded, bottom of the 9th, down 3-2. What will people be complaining about as they drive home from the game. The over paid bum who only hits HR's in blow out games with nobody on base. Not that Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Jason Giambi didn't do their job on that play..

Football plays are designed around an 11-12 man unit. Hockey and basketball, similar - thus the X's and O's. Every player has to contribute to that play, unlike baseball. A batted ball to RF with 2 outs is a potential scoring play that depends entirely on one player, not 9.

Would there even be a discussion if Rios had caught the ball? Nothing else, no one individual play, really stood out in that game that decided the outcome. Lowell hit a 3 run HR but he is a pretty dam good hitter, not some Triple A callup from Pawtuckett.

See how easy that was.

 

[shack]

I will make it simple for you people. Now try to follow along, okay.

When a coach calls a timeout in hockey, football and basketball, what does he usually do? Draw a few X's and O's with some lines. Every player on that play has to contribute to make that play work.

There are no X's and O's in baseball.

You mean a coach doesn't position the players on the field according to what pitch is being called? Don't the players have to know if a pitch out is being called or if they are expecting a bunt? Don't the runners on base have to know if a hit and run is being called?

What the hell did Wells or Overbay or Hill have to do wth that play that Rios botched?

If a forward has a wide open net and misses what did his goalie have to do with that play?

The point I was trying to make, that you all seem to have missed, is that baseball is more of an individual game than the other three.

The point that you seem to miss is that baseball is just as much of a team sport as the others but the dynamics of it are different. It is a sport where it is easier for a fan to focus on an individual player than the other sports but that doesn't make it any less of a team sport.

Halliday throws a pitch that ends up on the Mass Pike, who gets criticized? Troy Glaus? A RB has a lousy game, or didn't make a 1st down, a QB gets sacked 6 times. What one player gets the blame? That is usually the result of your "7 Blocks of Granite" turning into the "7 Blocks of Silly Putty".

The goalie lets in a dribbler from the other side of centre does any other player get criticized? A team gets no hit, or commits 6 errors is that one individual's fault (assuming one player didn't make all the errors)?

See how easy that was.

You're right. It is easy.

 

[salsamarc]

I will make it simple for you people. Now try to follow along, okay.

When a coach calls a timeout in hockey, football and basketball, what does he usually do? Draw a few X's and O's with some lines. Every player on that play has to contribute to make that play work.

There are no X's and O's in baseball.

please stop now before further embarrasing yourself by advertising your ignorance like this

ever seen the way a coach positions their infielders when a powerfull left handed hitter like Delgado, Ortiz, Giambi just to name a few comes to bat?
that is X's and O's

Cito Gaston was famous for stealing signs from the other teams and passing them to his hitters that is X's and O's

a Catcher calling a pitch out that is X's and O's

having a second basemen or a short stop cover second base while a runner is trying to steal the base, guess what?......that is FREAKING X's and O's

class dismissed I hope you have learned something, if not please try and make better points next time

 

[blueline]

Ignorance is a terrible thing to possess isn't it guys? I do not see how diificult it is to see the difference. Ok, next time A-Rod strikes out with bases loaded with 2 out, BJ gives up a bomb and loses the game, Beckett walks 9 in a game, you come on and say "What a lousy game that TEAM played"

Dam why didn't Jeter et al do something to avoid that dam strikeout. Maybe all the X's and O's drawn up to show the flight of the ball, the position of the players, the 3rd base coach's signs were not right. Maybe the coaches need to add another play to their playbook to show how to properly execute catching a fly ball, putting a bat on the ball, throwing a pitch for a strike. Don't embarrass yourselves more than YOU already have. You have me ROTFLMFAO at your moronic comparisons. Stop it guys please, I can only laugh so much. Back to school please. You just don't get it.

 

[slowandeasy]

Ignorance is a terrible thing to possess isn't it guys? I do not see how diificult it is to see the difference. Ok, next time A-Rod strikes out with bases loaded with 2 out, BJ gives up a bomb and loses the game, Beckett walks 9 in a game, you come on and say "What a lousy game that TEAM played"

Dam why didn't Jeter et al do something to avoid that dam strikeout. Maybe all the X's and O's drawn up to show the flight of the ball, the position of the players, the 3rd base coach's signs were not right. Maybe the coaches need to add another play to their playbook to show how to properly execute catching a fly ball, putting a bat on the ball, throwing a pitch for a strike. Don't embarrass yourselves more than YOU already have. You have me ROTFLMFAO at your moronic comparisons. Stop it guys please, I can only laugh so much. Back to school please. You just don't get it.

Anything that is done is a combination of individual actions, and what you have done is broken down the game of baseball to a series of individual plays and used that as your example, then refused to accept the fact that there are many team aspects to baseball. Pointing out the many many individual plays in a sport is not proof of your conclusion.

Having said that, I think you are correct that baseball is one "team game" where one individual can make a bigger impact than say basketball, football, soccer, hockey, rugby, etc... However the team concept of a game is still relevant. For example, you can still walk Barry Bonds 4 times a game, and take him completely out of the game. However, a pitcher can still dominate a game completely... but I don't believe that many pitchers stike out 27 batters on a regular basis, and hence they need their team to get those outs.

As far as drawing up X's and O's its does not need to be done.... Baseball has been analyzed so much that they have pretty much covered all the permutations and combinations of what can happen in a specific scenario. So when the right handed hitter who likes to go to the opposite field comes up the fielders make that adjustment automatically.... The pitcher and catcher make the adjustment by the pitches that they decide to throw etc...
Baseball players have gotten so good, that very difficult plays seem easy.

Obviously you have not gone out and played slo-pitch with a team...

 

[salsamarc]

Anything that is done is a combination of individual actions, and what you have done is broken down the game of baseball to a series of individual plays and used that as your example, then refused to accept the fact that there are many team aspects to baseball. Pointing out the many many individual plays in a sport is not proof of your conclusion.

Having said that, I think you are correct that baseball is one "team game" where one individual can make a bigger impact than say basketball, football, soccer, hockey, rugby, etc... However the team concept of a game is still relevant. For example, you can still walk Barry Bonds 4 times a game, and take him completely out of the game. However, a pitcher can still dominate a game completely... but I don't believe that many pitchers stike out 27 batters on a regular basis, and hence they need their team to get those outs.

As far as drawing up X's and O's its does not need to be done.... Baseball has been analyzed so much that they have pretty much covered all the permutations and combinations of what can happen in a specific scenario. So when the right handed hitter who likes to go to the opposite field comes up the fielders make that adjustment automatically.... The pitcher and catcher make the adjustment by the pitches that they decide to throw etc...
Baseball players have gotten so good, that very difficult plays seem easy.

Obviously you have not gone out and played slo-pitch with a team...

very good answer, well illustraded points, however our "friend" here continues to advertise his ignorance by thinking that baseball is not a team sport but and individual sport....

I believe there was a case where 2 pitchers were throwing no hitters against each other but none of them won the game and the game went on with out them.......one run by one of their mates could have changed history

 

[shack]

very good answer, well illustraded points, however our "friend" here continues to advertise his ignorance by thinking that baseball is not a team sport but and individual sport....

In all fairness he did admit that it is a team sport. I think the problem is that he diminishes the amount of teamwork that is needed and when we try to point this out (I tried using direct comparisons to examples he himself gave) he gets very defensive and condescending complete with insults because we dare to have a different opinion.

He could have very easily put forth a convincing argument showing how baseball can be construed as being more of an individual sport, how an individual player is more often cast in the spotlight etc., however it appears his debating skills, or lack thereof, and disrespect for others' opinions got in the way of him making a valid point.