Humane Society

[pepsiman]

I give too these guys all the time and believe we need them in place too fight against animals being mistreated ..
With that said :: Can some one tell me why they will spend a very large amount of money too save an animal that has been caught in a wire and has it's head almost removed and then next week put down a dozen animals with nothing wrong with them except that they have been at the shelter a while with out some one adopting them ..
I would believe the money they spent on the animal that was close too death would feed some not so sick animals along time ..
I will most likely get my head chewed for this but with all the cut backs ect I would think any company including the Humane Society would use the money more wisely .. "" MAYBE ""Thousand dollars too save one animal does not make good money sence too me ..
Maybe some one can shed a bit of resending too this

 

[tboy]

Ummmm I think you should check this link out, it will help greatly in your posting ability......

http://dictionary.reference.com/

For reference:
You want to use the two letter version "to" not "too". Too is another word for also. So, in your opening sentence you said "I give also these guys all the time....." and "them in place also fight against....".

Some one: someone
"very large amount of money also save an animal"
"along time" : a long time
"cut backs": "cutbacks"
ect: etc
sence: sense

and what the heck are you actually trying to say HERE:
"Maybe some one can shed a bit of resending too this"???

Kind of sounds like that old Steve Martin joke about speaking wrong around a kid as soon as it's born. So it's the first day of school and it has to go to the bathroom, raises it's hand and says "may I ma moo dogface in the banana patch".....

and might I introduce Mr comma "," to you? It is your friend!

Other than that, I agree, the Humane Society should spend it's donated money how it sees fit. If saving an animal that was near death is what they choose to do, then kudos to them.

As for

then next week put down a dozen animals with nothing wrong with them except that they have been at the shelter a while with out some one adopting them ..

Taken directly from the Humane Society website:
"No animal is ever euthanized due to lack of space or because the animal has simply “been here too long.”

So, in addition to learning how to spell, I suggest you do a little research before making a post.....

 

[HafDun]

From a fund raising perspective Rub is quite right. Dramatic rescues make for good PR.
From a moral perspective, the Humane society does what it can to prevent cruelty and suffering. Many animal shelters actually have a 'no kill' policy and do not put down any animals.

The real tragedy is the endless mass of morons that should not have pets in the first place. There should be a qualification process before people can get animals that they abuse, ignore and can't look, after. Then maybe less domestic pets would end up in animal shelters.

 

[Tangwhich]

Obviously the post struck a nerve with you Tboy, but your scathing reply was uncalled for.

 

[tboy]

Dun: The THS does have an effective screening process. I know one of the criteria is that you have to have a vet to take the animal to. I seem to recall a co-worker adopting a purebred Lhasa from the THS and I seem to recall them phoning the vet to make sure the animal was in for it's annual checkup etc......

 

[dcbogey]

The real tragedy is the endless mass of morons that should not have pets in the first place. There should be a qualification process before people can get animals that they abuse, ignore and can't look, after. Then maybe less domestic pets would end up in animal shelters.

Why the frack would we do that when we don't to that for for people that have kids??

 

[Tarkus]

PETA Power?

Obviously the post struck a nerve with you Tboy, but your scathing reply was uncalled for.

Maybe he thinks Pamela Anderson will do him?

He won't like this though. All I hear from anyone dealing with THS anymore is that they have turned into animal Nazi's. The latest being a co-worker who got an older cat after being pressured into 'doing the right thing' by the THS staff. She said from the start she was worried about the cat because he kept biting and clawing but completely assured by the staff that the cat in question was absolutely perfect and would work out fine. If it did not settle down or it was not a good fit then bring it back and she could select another one. So based on those promises she took the cat, after paying all the requisite costs and promising to keep it inside etc.

So after two weeks of this cat hissing and biting her, scratching and clawing her furniture, (after all it is apparently immoral to declaw at cat), and urinating on every carpeted surface it could find all the while repeatedly moaning at the patio door to be let out she realized that this was just not going to work. She brought the cat back and indicated that it just did not work out but was certainly interested in getting another adult cat if they still thought that was the right to do. She gets lead into a room where for 20 minutes two large THS male staffers yell at her and intimidate her.

Normally this woman has not got the backbone to speak up if someone inadvertently sets her on fire so they must have been real assholes for to tell them to fuck off and leave the building.

Yet another person who has sworn off ever donating to or dealing with the THS.

 

[pepsiman]

Well Tboy I am very sorry IF I was incorrect in my spelling. Or in the idea that animals are put down if not adopted in a certain time frame .
There was a blitz on a while back too get people to adopt cats . They were overloaded with cats and I was under the impression that if they did not get some adopted out that some were being put down ..
If I was wrong in assuming that ::I miss understood the message or the nice girl lead me too believe that . Either way if I was wrong ::: I was wrong ,

 

[blofeld]

Ummmm I think you should check this link out, it will help greatly in your posting ability......

http://dictionary.reference.com/

For reference:
You want to use the two letter version "to" not "too". Too is another word for also. So, in your opening sentence you said "I give also these guys all the time....." and "them in place also fight against....".

Some one: someone
"very large amount of money also save an animal"
"along time" : a long time
"cut backs": "cutbacks"
ect: etc
sence: sense

and what the heck are you actually trying to say HERE:
"Maybe some one can shed a bit of resending too this"???

Kind of sounds like that old Steve Martin joke about speaking wrong around a kid as soon as it's born. So it's the first day of school and it has to go to the bathroom, raises it's hand and says "may I ma moo dogface in the banana patch".....

and might I introduce Mr comma "," to you? It is your friend!

Other than that, I agree, the Humane Society should spend it's donated money how it sees fit. If saving an animal that was near death is what they choose to do, then kudos to them.

As for


Taken directly from the Humane Society website:
"No animal is ever euthanized due to lack of space or because the animal has simply “been here too long.”

So, in addition to learning how to spell, I suggest you do a little research before making a post.....

"Other than that, I agree, the Humane Society should spend its donated money how it sees fit. If saving an animal that was near death is what they choose to do, then kudos to them."

Sometimes the apostrophe is not your friend

 

[scouser1]

Maybe he thinks Pamela Anderson will do him?

He won't like this though. All I hear from anyone dealing with THS anymore is that they have turned into animal Nazi's. The latest being a co-worker who got an older cat after being pressured into 'doing the right thing' by the THS staff. She said from the start she was worried about the cat because he kept biting and clawing but completely assured by the staff that the cat in question was absolutely perfect and would work out fine. If it did not settle down or it was not a good fit then bring it back and she could select another one. So based on those promises she took the cat, after paying all the requisite costs and promising to keep it inside etc.

So after two weeks of this cat hissing and biting her, scratching and clawing her furniture, (after all it is apparently immoral to declaw at cat), and urinating on every carpeted surface it could find all the while repeatedly moaning at the patio door to be let out she realized that this was just not going to work. She brought the cat back and indicated that it just did not work out but was certainly interested in getting another adult cat if they still thought that was the right to do. She gets lead into a room where for 20 minutes two large THS male staffers yell at her and intimidate her.

Normally this woman has not got the backbone to speak up if someone inadvertently sets her on fire so they must have been real assholes for to tell them to fuck off and leave the building.

Yet another person who has sworn off ever donating to or dealing with the THS.

what kind of research did your "friend" do before getting a cat? did they know that older cats especially take awhile to adjust to their surroundings, and who knows what kind of previous life it may have had so the hissing and the biting was probably due to being freaked out, as for the being intimidated by two staff thugs, ever walked into a shelter run by them its mostly 45 year old women who are like 90lbs so not buying it!!!

and as for declawing, its about the same if I chopped off your fingers at the first knuckle sure you would be still able to function but what kind of life is that? just to save a leather couch when people are too lazy to buy a scratching post and teach a cat to use

 

[tboy]

"Other than that, I agree, the Humane Society should spend its donated money how it sees fit. If saving an animal that was near death is what they choose to do, then kudos to them."

Sometimes the apostrophe is not your friend

I stand corrected!

Well Tboy I am very sorry IF I was incorrect in my spelling. Or in the idea that animals are put down if not adopted in a certain time frame .
There was a blitz on a while back too get people to adopt cats . They were overloaded with cats and I was under the impression that if they did not get some adopted out that some were being put down ..
If I was wrong in assuming that ::I miss understood the message or the nice girl lead me too believe that . Either way if I was wrong ::: I was wrong ,

You stand corrected!

and I should think you should get your facts straight before making a statement that is a complete opposite of what the THS's policy actually is. It took me less than 30 seconds to verify this information, you should have done the same.

Why it bothered me that a) the op's spelling was so bad and b) the negative effect that his statement could have on the THS is that they (the THS) does an amazing job in protecting our furry and feathered friends from idiots who shouldn't be allowed to own a pet and to take care of animals who need someone to help them.

I am a firm believer of the statement that a society is judged based on how it treats those creatures left in our care. For the record, I totally agree with the poster who brought up the point that there are some out there that shouldn't be allowed to have a pet and most certainly shouldn't be allowed to have kids.

 

[Tarkus]

Let's start off with the reality... it is just a cat!

what kind of research did your "friend" do before getting a cat? did they know that older cats especially take awhile to adjust to their surroundings, and who knows what kind of previous life it may have had so the hissing and the biting was probably due to being freaked out, as for the being intimidated by two staff thugs, ever walked into a shelter run by them its mostly 45 year old women who are like 90lbs so not buying it!!!

She's had cats all her life and was quite broken up at the idea that this one was not going to work out. Yeah it may have had a crappy life. There is no lack of people here, and elsewhere, who have no trouble insisting that someone be put down for doing bad things and shrug off the idea that their nurture has any relevance. The simple reality is that a past life of being totally feral or maltreated etc. is not always fixable in a younger cat let alone a mature one. So while you applaud the THS for playing the tough love role you ignore the fact that the cat is destroying her home and is clearly unhappy all the while where the THS should have the brains and responsibility to realize that their goal is not just getting another cat out the door so they get another check in the win column.

I have gotten quite a few shelter cats in my life and obviously it takes some a few days to a week for them to start adjusting to a new environment but if after two weeks the pathology has not remotely begun to diminish then you have a broken animal. No it is not the fault of the cat... but it is after all... just a cat.

and as for declawing, its about the same if I chopped off your fingers at the first knuckle sure you would be still able to function but what kind of life is that? just to save a leather couch when people are too lazy to buy a scratching post and teach a cat to use

No it's not the same as if you chopped one's fingers and besides that issue is really more about the self serving approach that the HSM takes in these matters. They set up a scenario where the cat is not supposed to leave the house even if it was feral or previously was a domestic outdoor cat, they knowingly send out mature cats that they know are unstable and then take umbrage that the adopter simply doesn't embrace having to replace a $3000 dollar sectional. You are extremely unlikely to be able to train a mature cat, let alone one with emotional problems, not to claw furniture if that behaviour is not already learned, kittens sure but that is not what this situation was about. So by taking this stance they essentially set up a percentage of their animals to experience a failed scenario and then get pissed off when their original failure results in the animal being returned.

Oh and the cat had numerous scratching boards and even two elevated carpeted cat houses so don't go on about how this woman just adopted the cat and forgot about it. She already has another one, a mature cat, and they are getting along swimmingly.

It would be nice but you simply cannot save them all and certainly cannot within the narrow gauge that the THS wants to apply.

 

[HafDun]

Why the frack would we do that when we don't to that for for people that have kids??

Because two wrongs don't make a right.

Licencing parents is an interesting concept. Unfortunately it would quickly become an issue of human rights, selective breeding and forced birth control which sounds a lot like the major issue in WW2.

Animals on the other hand are already subject to various forms of regulatory control. We are OK with a pit bull ban but there is no public outcry when pet owners let their cats and dogs roam the streets???

 

[tboy]

Funny you bring this up Dun, on Nova last week they were talking about being able to start detecting what diseases etc you can be prone to (kind of like the movie Gattaca). But I never knew this but GATTACA is the acronym for DNA.

I was wondering though, if two parents knew that their kid would have a 80 - 90% chance of coming down with say Down's Syndrome or Infatile Leukemia, would they still choose to conceive?

 

[scouser1]

She's had cats all her life and was quite broken up at the idea that this one was not going to work out. Yeah it may have had a crappy life. There is no lack of people here, and elsewhere, who have no trouble insisting that someone be put down for doing bad things and shrug off the idea that their nurture has any relevance. The simple reality is that a past life of being totally feral or maltreated etc. is not always fixable in a younger cat let alone a mature one. So while you applaud the THS for playing the tough love role you ignore the fact that the cat is destroying her home and is clearly unhappy all the while where the THS should have the brains and responsibility to realize that their goal is not just getting another cat out the door so they get another check in the win column.

I have gotten quite a few shelter cats in my life and obviously it takes some a few days to a week for them to start adjusting to a new environment but if after two weeks the pathology has not remotely begun to diminish then you have a broken animal. No it is not the fault of the cat... but it is after all... just a cat.



No it's not the same as if you chopped one's fingers and besides that issue is really more about the self serving approach that the HSM takes in these matters. They set up a scenario where the cat is not supposed to leave the house even if it was feral or previously was a domestic outdoor cat, they knowingly send out mature cats that they know are unstable and then take umbrage that the adopter simply doesn't embrace having to replace a $3000 dollar sectional. You are extremely unlikely to be able to train a mature cat, let alone one with emotional problems, not to claw furniture if that behaviour is not already learned, kittens sure but that is not what this situation was about. So by taking this stance they essentially set up a percentage of their animals to experience a failed scenario and then get pissed off when their original failure results in the animal being returned.

Oh and the cat had numerous scratching boards and even two elevated carpeted cat houses so don't go on about how this woman just adopted the cat and forgot about it. She already has another one, a mature cat, and they are getting along swimmingly.

It would be nice but you simply cannot save them all and certainly cannot within the narrow gauge that the THS wants to apply.

ok if declawing is such a normal thing why do alot of veternerians refuse to do the procedure you even have some jurisdictions in the US that have out right banned it, its a simple lazy quick fix solution that some come up with to save their precious leather couch

as for the cat going outside, cats are indoor pets they belong inside the house, what are they missing outside, being hit by a car, attacked by a raccoon!!!! and the argument that the cat begs to go outside well if a kid begged to have chocolate for breakfast everyday would ya give it to them?

unfortunately some people have gotten to the point of treating pets as disposable, the slightest problem or challenge or they simply get bored of them and its to the shelter or worse for that pet, they dont remember that the animal didnt have a say in who its owner was gonna be unlike the human who did choose the animal

 

[Tarkus]

Here kitty kitty...

ok if declawing is such a normal thing why do alot of veternerians refuse to do the procedure you even have some jurisdictions in the US that have out right banned it, its a simple lazy quick fix solution that some come up with to save their precious leather couch.

It used to be done very poorly but in this PC world those who lobby for these changes turn a blind eye to improvements. The original declawing process was particularly poorly managed but science does move on unabated. Even when pressed with the facts that the process of declawing had been modified to either diminish or completely remove pain and problems for the animal it turned into a "the right of the animal to live freely without compromise". The domestic cat is essentially a feral animal that is clever enough to realize that regular feedings outweigh living on their own but if we were honest about not compromising them then we would not keep them at all and would certainly never neuter them.

So yes there are lots of places and even veterinarians who hide behind a concept rather than the reality all the while rationalizing other evils they perform; like actually owning a cat at all. I find it ironic how many can find such malevolence in one medical procedure that makes our lives easier but have no issue with other medical procedures like neutering which essentially accomplishes the same end.

However my raising the issue of declawing was more about contrasting how the THS sets up a scenario where in many cases failure is assured.

as for the cat going outside, cats are indoor pets they belong inside the house, what are they missing outside, being hit by a car, attacked by a raccoon!!!! and the argument that the cat begs to go outside well if a kid begged to have chocolate for breakfast everyday would ya give it to them?

So we have hit the grasping for draws position now? You treat this whole issue far too emotionally. Cats are NOT indoor animals. Were we to leave the planet would there be wild herds of cows and sheep? Probably not as we have modified them to the point that they are essentially walking meat machines. Would dogs and cats survive? Maybe not all breeds but most assuredly the dogs would return to pack behaviour and the cats would carve out the niche they possessed before.

It is just another example of either humanizing them or rationalizing conflicting behaviour; a cat is not a child who is asking for chocolate since the child does not have 70 million years of genetic encoding telling it to seek chocolate. Keeping a cat inside to protect it from outside dangers is considered a nice thing to do while taking steps to mitigate that indoor existence is somehow evil. This isn't a buffet.

unfortunately some people have gotten to the point of treating pets as disposable, the slightest problem or challenge or they simply get bored of them and its to the shelter or worse for that pet, they dont remember that the animal didnt have a say in who its owner was gonna be unlike the human who did choose the animal

Slightest problem or challenge? Did you actually read what I wrote originally? This was not kitty being too robust in play or being temperamental; this cat was damaged. It was akin to you going to a mental institution and taking home an extreme schizophrenic and then realizing that despite all your good intentions you simply could not provide adequate requirements, no one could.

Like it or not the reality is that we cannot fix everything... and like it or not it is still just a cat. That is not an excuse to be cruel to them but despite all the attempts of anthropomorphizing animals they are not and to go down that path services some lofty ideal rather than truly addressing the situation.

 

[scouser1]

who is giving human qualities to an animal? certainly not me a pet should be treated like a pet but as a human owner you are in the role of a guardian in that your pet relies on you for food, medicine and general care. The idea of keeping a cat indoors is evil??? where do you come up with some of this stuff, the tens of thousands of years that human beings have modified cats behaviour has altered to being indoor pets safe from that highway down the street or that raccoon that is just waiting to kill it, and the comparison to the kid wanting chocolate was one where an adult has to be an adult and tell a kid or a pet that you cant always get what you want.

 

[tboy]

So we have hit the grasping for draws position now? You treat this whole issue far too emotionally. Cats are NOT indoor animals. Were we to leave the planet would there be wild herds of cows and sheep? Probably not as we have modified them to the point that they are essentially walking meat machines. Would dogs and cats survive? Maybe not all breeds but most assuredly the dogs would return to pack behaviour and the cats would carve out the niche they possessed before.

You kind of shot yourself in the foot there. You saw we domisticated cows and sheep yet fail to point out that we also domisticated dogs and cats too.

Sure if you let them out and didn't feed them they would eventually go feral, but so would we if you removed us from "society".

As for advances in declawing, sorry, no matter what advances are made you are still removing their one and only defence (other than running) and also removing their front toes.

As for training adult cats being impossible. That's a crock of shit. Any animal at any age can be retrained but it may take a little longer. Just look at all the animals in movies? You think they trained kittens to do stunts etc 3 yrs in advance? Heck I've seen adult cougars and bears trained for a particular stunt a couple of months before the shoot.

Anyhow, I'll let you get back to bickering with scouser lol......

 

[scouser1]

You kind of shot yourself in the foot there. You saw we domisticated cows and sheep yet fail to point out that we also domisticated dogs and cats too.

Sure if you let them out and didn't feed them they would eventually go feral, but so would we if you removed us from "society".

As for advances in declawing, sorry, no matter what advances are made you are still removing their one and only defence (other than running) and also removing their front toes.

As for training adult cats being impossible. That's a crock of shit. Any animal at any age can be retrained but it may take a little longer. Just look at all the animals in movies? You think they trained kittens to do stunts etc 3 yrs in advance? Heck I've seen adult cougars and bears trained for a particular stunt a couple of months before the shoot.

Anyhow, I'll let you get back to bickering with scouser lol......

take away TERB and watch a whole group of people in the GTA turn feral

as for declawing well try that and the cat turns into some other fun behaviours like biting and hissing since you took away their sole line of defence against dangers.

 

[Tarkus]

The cat as a feral beast!

who is giving human qualities to an animal? certainly not me a pet should be treated like a pet but as a human owner you are in the role of a guardian in that your pet relies on you for food, medicine and general care. The idea of keeping a cat indoors is evil??? where do you come up with some of this stuff, the tens of thousands of years that human beings have modified cats behaviour has altered to being indoor pets safe from that highway down the street or that raccoon that is just waiting to kill it, and the comparison to the kid wanting chocolate was one where an adult has to be an adult and tell a kid or a pet that you cant always get what you want.

This will go on forever if you can't think beyond what you want to be true. First of all the history of cat and humanity can't be traced much further back than 9000 years ago and even then how long has the cat lived indoors like we keep them now? The domestic cat has been around for millions of years and their innate behaviour clearly demonstrates that they are still the feral hunters they always were. With the exception of a few cultures that considered them Gods cats have been kept around because it was a mutually beneficial relationship, specifically they ate vermin that threatened our food sources and brought disease, (although did you know they now believe that the plague that the Great Plague of London was a case of a trans species crossover where a cat caught disease from a rat it killed and then passed it on to its owner.. neat eh). It's only been a relatively short period of time that the idea of a cat being a companion and living indoors took hold.

So let's be honest here. We have had a relationship with cats for probably 10,000 years and maybe in the last 50-100 seriously turned them into indoor pets. As such if we are going to start suggesting that a cat has certain inalienable rights then maybe we need to start with the fact that keeping a cat indoors seems to break that basic paradigm.

And no you cannot negotiate with a cat, jeez that sounded funny reading that back on so many levels, and compare it to a child's desires. They just don't fit into that context and this was my basic premise that people and organizations have start treating these animals like what they are, animals. Does not mean anything nasty should happen to them or that they should be vulnerable to any action but it cannot be forgotten that they animals.

As per one of the earlier posts about who should be allowed to get one? My friend certainly should as she has taken in all sorts shelter cats that no one else wanted. This case just didn't work out and I still believe that the THS staff behaved like a couple of goons because it exemplifies that their 'one size fits all' process is incredibly flawed.

However that said here is my rule regarding people getting anything.

Divorces should be available in coin operated machines. Marriages should require an incredibly onerous process.

Abortions should simple obtain. Licenses to prove you are remotely worthy to have a child should be incredibly difficult to achieve.

So yes... getting a cat (or dog) should be somewhat controlled and mandated but at the same time an organization should not be extending their mission statement into the lives of the general population simply because they somehow believe they know better. I wonder how the THS staffers would have behaved had she been bringing back a crazed dog because it had tried repeatedly to maul her child... I guess they would have suggested the kid just suck it up and understand what was important?