Hudak vows to cut 100,000 public sector jobs

[james t kirk]

by having a solid education.. kinda like in South Korea...or China ... invest in the future and reap the rewards..

China is a bad example.

Very bad.

There was an article in the Globe and Mail last weekend that scared the shit out of me. The jist of the story is about debt levels in China, they way they have been growing their economy is all a giant house of cards. When it falls, it will take the rest of the world with it in a way that will make the Great Recession look like a tea party.

17 TRILLION in debt on one project.

 

[james t kirk]

I am really mixed about this.

On one hand, our debt is out of control.

On the other hand, 100,000 people out of work is not acceptable (I don't know how many people work for the provincial government)

From what I understand, there are 2 HUGE budgets at the provincial level.

1. Health Care
2. Education

The rest is chicken shit.

With education, I can see eliminating Jr. Kindergarten, and all day kindergarten. Glorified baby sitting service. I can also see increasing class sizes. When I was in primary school, we started at 9 am. and went to 4 p.m. every day and our class sizes were usually 32 to a high of 37. I believe the average class size now is something around 22. No reason that couldn't be higher.

Health care....

Good luck on that front. Pay doctors less? Can't keep them as it is.

 

[nottyboi]

The other hundred's of thousands of public sector workers slacking off.

That's only half a jest. I've been in a position to witness first-hand the waste in the public sector. It's far less productive than the private sector, yet boasts substantial wages and benefits a private sector employee can only dream of.

My company has worked on several projects for one public sector entity in particular. They absolutely demand we meet strict deadlines, and are willing to pay exorbitant amounts to see it done. But once we've delivered, they miss their own deadlines every single time while the product sits in their inventory. I've seen them discard millions of dollars worth of obsolete product because they made a design mistake or jumped the gun; a move that would almost certainly get a private sector employee fired, yet comes with no more than a slap on the wrist (if that).

Now, there are a few public sector entities I have no personal insight into, but what I have seen is sickening. The wasted money could do so much good in the right hands.

Ahh that has to be Hydro !!! lol.

 

[nottyboi]

I am really mixed about this.

On one hand, our debt is out of control.

On the other hand, 100,000 people out of work is not acceptable (I don't know how many people work for the provincial government)

From what I understand, there are 2 HUGE budgets at the provincial level.

1. Health Care
2. Education

The rest is chicken shit.

With education, I can see eliminating Jr. Kindergarten, and all day kindergarten. Glorified baby sitting service. I can also see increasing class sizes. When I was in primary school, we started at 9 am. and went to 4 p.m. every day and our class sizes were usually 32 to a high of 37. I believe the average class size now is something around 22. No reason that couldn't be higher.

Health care....

Good luck on that front. Pay doctors less? Can't keep them as it is.

That is actually a myth, there are lots of doctors, but the existing ones have built structural barriers to them practicing. Blow away the OMA and you will see all the nonsense they have created to steal money.

 

[peter4025]

That is actually a myth, there are lots of doctors, but the existing ones have built structural barriers to them practicing. Blow away the OMA and you will see all the nonsense they have created to steal money.

+1 on this

 

[Mack Bolan]

His plans are to screw everyone in the unions and no-unions.
He want to roll back wages and lower the min wage.
He want to send those 100,000 jobs off shore.
He want to build more 407 type of stuff.
Everyone in ONTARIO will lose if they let him in.

He will turn ONTARIO into a "call centre"...

There is waste in every job, what need to be done is to allow the government workers to fire those people who don't do their jobs.
There are people who work in government that work very hard and there are those who take advantage of the system.

If you make people accountable for doing their work you would see a difference.

Don't forget that everyone pays taxes and it's the folks sitting in Queens Park that decided on where your money goes.
Do you think those folks lose there jobs when they know they are screwing up with poor or bad judgement.

All levels of government waste our money.

 

[Serpent]

That is actually a myth, there are lots of doctors, but the existing ones have built structural barriers to them practicing. Blow away the OMA and you will see all the nonsense they have created to steal money.

Could you please clarify? I'd like to understand the details. Thanks.

 

[sauna1701]

He also promised 1,000,000 new private sector jobs ...... now he is down to 900,000 new private sector jobs.

 

[Lovehobby]

This will likely cost him the election. Too far outside the mainstream.

 

[Marcus1027]

When will people learn that no matter what these goofballs say, its ALL half truths and spin doctoring.

So you cut 100k jobs, wowee - who picks up the slack? where do those 100k people go to find work? Are they all going on EI and being packaged out? is that over 10 years?, what kind of moron is he or does he take us for? I'm all for cutting the fat but more than salaries its shoddy spending with no eye or clue for the future moving at the speed of a snail that just got stepped on. That is what we pay for.[/

Bullshit!!!! Up until 2003 we did just fine without things like the college of trade or Ehealth or any of the other entities created by the McSquinty band of criminals. So spare us the rhetoric and learn to live within your means, put on the big boy pants and learn how to fend for yourself without needing Premier Mom & Dad holding your hand. Tell me, how many new jobs would Wynne create with the new pension plan? I bet it's a pile, guess what? We are doing alright today without that other layer of provincial ass!

 

[JohnLarue]

This will likely cost him the election. Too far outside the mainstream.

Not at all
A lot of people have had enough of the waste, bending over for the unions & mismanagement of the provincial finances.
Anyone who understands simple interest calculations can see a disaster coming unless this is addressed right now

This cold win him the election, however probably not a majority

Of coarse he will need to send you a thank you card
You have likely convinced thousands (on multiple boards) that the loony left can not be trusted with the public purse.
Wynne has already tarred herself as a loony left mascaraing in a liberal suit.

 

[Moviefan-2]

This cold win him the election, however probably not a majority.

Too soon to lock in predictions, but I think this could actually win him a majority. It's going to motivate the voters he needs.

 

[SkyRider]

If 100,000 public sector employees were laid off, would anybody notice?

 

[nottyboi]

What is the severance cost when you fire 100,000 people. .... based on an average of 20K a head about $2B. Then when you consider many may go straight to pension, that will also cost more. Then when you consider about 35-40% of their wages come back in tax revenue, what is gonna be the net outcome. When you look at this crackpot plan Rae days look like a master stroke of genius in comparison.

 

[Polaris]

Too soon to lock in predictions, but I think this could actually win him a majority. It's going to motivate the voters he needs.

This clearly is good news for the PC election chances.

No more excuses. The PC party of Ontario will practice austerity.

This best part of this policy is this. The PC party will practice austerity ONLY on the over-bloated public service. And leave everyone else alone. We might even get a tax cut.

The tax cut is critical. That will be a stimulus to offset the initial slack from the layoffs.

I think Rob Ford is in trouble now. Rob Ford was really the only conservative. All the sudden, Hudak comes out of the closet. And he's not on drugs.

If John Tory comes out of the closet too, Hudak style, then we do not need Rob Ford. I think Tory cannot come out of the closet because he's a Liberal.

:hippie:

 

[groggy]

This clearly is good news for the PC election chances.

No more excuses. The PC party of Ontario will practice austerity.

This best part of this policy is this. The PC party will practice austerity ONLY on the over-bloated public service. And leave everyone else alone. We might even get a tax cut.

The tax cut is critical. That will be a stimulus to offset the initial slack from the layoffs.

I think Rob Ford is in trouble now. Rob Ford was really the only conservative. All the sudden, Hudak comes out of the closet. And he's not on drugs.

If John Tory comes out of the closet too, Hudak style, then we do not need Rob Ford. I think Tory cannot come out of the closet because he's a Liberal.

:hippie:

That's a big gamble, that Ontario wants to be like Spain or the US and cut jobs and wages.
He'll have a hard time selling this one.

 

[fuji]

If 100,000 public sector employees were laid off, would anybody notice?

Yes.

 

[fuji]

The tax cut is critical. That will be a stimulus to offset the initial slack from the layoffs.

No one with a clue believes that anymore. It was effectively disproven over the past ten years as businesses increased their cash holdings despite loads of stimulus. It turns out that all that matters is the future estimates of demand. Cutting government spending might be necessary from a debt perspective but it is guaranteed (!) to lower GDP and increase unemployment, not only directly, but also indirectly unemployment can be expected to rise as those selling to the formerly employed government workers reduce their own staff.

Anyone who tells you that cutting spending creates jobs is lying. And I mean LYING.

It is something you do when you think the economy is overheating and you want to cool it off, stockpile cash for a future recession, etc, it is the removal of a stimulus. Increase spending in a recession, decrease in a boom. This is a decrease and it will slow the economy.

 

[nottyboi]

It's kinda funny that Hudak claims that he gets his advice from small business owners. So he is apply the wisdom of small business owners to a $600 billion economy. Great, nicely done. Ontario run with the expertise of a Tim Hortons store.

 

[Lovehobby]

Not at all
A lot of people have had enough of the waste, bending over for the unions & mismanagement of the provincial finances.
Anyone who understands simple interest calculations can see a disaster coming unless this is addressed right now

This cold win him the election, however probably not a majority

Of coarse he will need to send you a thank you card
You have likely convinced thousands (on multiple boards) that the loony left can not be trusted with the public purse.
Wynne has already tarred herself as a loony left mascaraing in a liberal suit.

Those people are already Tories.