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How Should We Support The Mayor

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Thunderballs

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The other day I saw protesters outside Queen's park who were protesting against the CUPE strikers right beside them. One of their signs said "How about a zero increase?". I wish other people would jump on this bandwagon and put the strikers in their place. They work for us, the citizens of Toronto who pay their salaries through our taxes. The sad thing was that these protesters were also against the mayor and how he is handling this strike focusing on the temporary dump sites.

Now I am not a huge David Miller fan but at least he is taking a stand and trying to re-align wages and benefits in the public sector with reality. These temporary dump sites in my opinion were a good idea in that they saved a lot of public places from serving as impromptu dump sites which is what happened in the last garbage strike - remember how there was garbage literally everywhere? However, instead of making more and more of these sites closer and closer to houses, they should just clean out the ones in use. To me this is the only additional thing that needs to be done which the mayor for whatever reason seems reluctant to do.

In all, I think the mayor is doing a decent job of standing in there and I just wish there was a stronger public show of support for his cause. Otherwise this will go to arbitration and the tax payers will end up losing again with the garbage collectors standing to gain a lot of overtime pay cleaning everything up when it is all over.
 
For those of us who don't live in the Big shit erm I mean smoke may I say who gives a damn. Hey but at least you guys made CNN!
 
Thunderballs said:
Now I am not a huge David Miller fan but at least he is taking a stand and trying to re-align wages and benefits in the public sector with reality.
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Ditto. I cant stand his politics, and I didnt vote for him. But, should he stand his ground... I would have to take a second look at the next elections. He just might win my vote (omg... did I just say that??? LOL)
 
What has he done to "stand up" to the union?

What did he do to put in contingency plans during '08 or '09, even though the likelihood of this strike occuring was fairly clear.

What has he done to keep the city running, and to keep handling the business of this city?

In fact, what has he done during his entire term that has materially improved Toronto?

How on earth could you possibly think that he is doing a good job, or would consider voting for him again?

Just compare Toronto (and its status and sense of pride and self worth) from the days of David Crombie and Art Eggleton to what David Miller has inflicted upon us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER0oC0FMmaA
 
Thunderballs said:
The other day I saw protesters outside Queen's park who were protesting against the CUPE strikers right beside them. One of their signs said "How about a zero increase?". I wish other people would jump on this bandwagon and put the strikers in their place. They work for us, the citizens of Toronto who pay their salaries through our taxes. The sad thing was that these protesters were also against the mayor and how he is handling this strike focusing on the temporary dump sites.

Now I am not a huge David Miller fan but at least he is taking a stand and trying to re-align wages and benefits in the public sector with reality. These temporary dump sites in my opinion were a good idea in that they saved a lot of public places from serving as impromptu dump sites which is what happened in the last garbage strike - remember how there was garbage literally everywhere? However, instead of making more and more of these sites closer and closer to houses, they should just clean out the ones in use. To me this is the only additional thing that needs to be done which the mayor for whatever reason seems reluctant to do.

In all, I think the mayor is doing a decent job of standing in there and I just wish there was a stronger public show of support for his cause. Otherwise this will go to arbitration and the tax payers will end up losing again with the garbage collectors standing to gain a lot of overtime pay cleaning everything up when it is all over.
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You're just flat-out a stupid dupe.

Miller could clear those trash depots in 5 minutes if he wanted to...he has full legal authority to do so. By not doing so, he's risking a public health event, inconveniencing the taxpayers he's charged with representing, and not coincidently bolstering the power of the union to maximize the disruption to the common man of the withdrawal of their labour.

Miller is a visionless, tax-raising twit. The city looks like shit (unrepaired sidewalks everywhere, increasingly Montreal-calibre streets spreading, it smells downtown like shit, unkept parks, unimproved districts, etc etc etc.) I'm actually getting out of here now...Caledon looks nice. Fuck Toronto.
 
FOOTSNIFFER said:
You're just flat-out a stupid dupe.


Miller is a visionless, tax-raising twit.
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Don't forget...you (collectively) voted him in...he didn't just show up and start doing the job.

If you didn't vote at all, then you have no right to complain about who did get voted in!
 
I lost a lot of respect for Miller, not that he is taking a tough stand against the civic workers, but in how is managing this process. His arrogance is starting to show and his lack of urgency to end this strike is pissing me off. What the hell is going on, or not going on, in the last 31 days or so? Miller is in no hurry to end this strike even though he says otherwise, he has a hidden agenda and that's to save tens of millions in salary to help pay for his TTC plan, when the feds said they won't provide him funding, by sacrificing services to Torontonians, as he calls us.
 
Support the Mayor?

Are you kidding?

I WANT to see him burn. I'm hoping that the one good thing that comes out of this insane strike is his Waterloo. (I actually fear he will still get re-elected despite his massive blunders.)

Miller has not really stood up to the Unions, if he had, he would have hired replacement workers, he would have contracted out Garbage Pickup, he would have come up with a plan to keep things moving, he would have laid off workers 3 years ago when it was clear that the City didn't have the money. Instead, he has given them everything he possibly can and it's not enough.

If Miller gets re-elected, it will be right back to his Champaign Socialist ways. You can bet on that.

No, this guy needs to go.
 
Thunderballs said:
Now I am not a huge David Miller fan but at least he is taking a stand and trying to re-align wages and benefits in the public sector with reality.
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You're incredibly naive.

This isn't about "re-aligning" wages. It's about sick days. At the end of it all CUPE will get a wage increase that's in line with what other public sector unions have gotten, i.e., 2-3%. Arguably, as they should. Even if they go to third party arbitration they'll get that. If you want to "re-align" public sector wages you can't give one group 3% and another 0%. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

Don't kid yourself.
 
If you want to support the City's position (fuck the mayor), then just keep on keeping on. It's a battle of attrition and the longer the strike goes the sooner the union will cave. It's a test of will between the union and the people of Toronto (who exert the pressure on the mayor to end the strike). If enough people don't pressure the mayor to end the strike, it will go on and the union will eventually fold.

And that's how you get rid of sick days or at least change the system so it's more favourable to the City.

In short, no pain - no gain.
 
Thunderballs, although I disagree with you for reasons others have stated (I think Miller should be much tougher on the union), I do respect someone who thinks so independently that he could start a thread that can piss off people on both sides of this debate so much. I had not bothered posting much in any of the strike threads for a couple of days because nothing new was being said and they keep going over the same issues again and again and again. Unlike other posters on this issue (and to some extent I include myself) you have actually offered a fresh prospective. For that reason alone I would say that your average of 0.29 posts a day likely contributed more on average than many of those with high posting averages.
 
Keebler Elf said:
It's a test of will between the union and the people of Toronto (who exert the pressure on the mayor to end the strike). If enough people don't pressure the mayor to end the strike, it will go on and the union will eventually fold.
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There's also the fact strikers will cross the picket line as they need to live and when enough do, the union will fold quicker than one thinks.
 
Let's Get our Mayor Laid Fund

Thunderballs said:
How should we support the mayor.
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We can all contribute donations to the "Let's Get our Mayor Laid Fund".

However, once adequate funds are collected we'll hire a tranny (that looks like a hot gal) to ram him up the ass really good!!! Sheesh... he's killing Toronto businesses and tourism by not resolving this mess.
 
Miller should do a Reagan and FIRE them all for holding the City hostage during the tourist season. I have friends up from the US who have been visiting TO BUT are staying in Hamilton and Niagara Falls because of the garbage.

Miller and the Council need to get hardline but it wont happen because his blondness is an NDPer etc.
 
only if in the end the CUPE union gets no advances in their contracts will I support Miller. I feel that he is playing the populace to look like he is resisting the union... time will tell.
 
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