how risky is oral sex

[Davey905]

Re Doctor Handsfield's comments on chlamydia from medhelp.org, i found these somewhat dated
(early 2006) remarks, saying it rarely if ever is transmitted by oral sex, or at least from mouth to penis. Whether or not he meant to include transmission the other way, from penis to mouth, or DATY in either direction, is unclear to me.

"...chlamydia has been found in the throat, but it is so rare CDC (in its own treatment guidelines--i.e, from the science side) recommends against testing for it, and that recommendation will be stated even more strongly in the coming revision of those guidelines, due for release ~June. Oral to genital transmission of chlamydia has never been documented, to my knowledge. And in data reviews in the Seattle STD clinic, men with NGU who say they have only received oral sex in the preceding 2 months--i.e., no vaginal or anal--rarely have chlamydia. (Those that do are mostly carrying chlamydia for longer than the 2-month time frame covered by the question.) "

"...It's the latter, "the reporter not understanding what was said". I spoke with several reporters when that study (by investigators in Melbourne, Australia) came out, because I wrote an accompanying editorial. Some tried to spin their stories to emphasize the supposedly high risk of oral sex. Just like the data from Seattle I cited above, it is likely that the Melbourne chlamydia-infected men who claimed only oral sex recently and also had chlamydia either were giving inaccurate information about their sexual practices, or had been carrying chlamydia in their urethras longer than the window period for the sexual activity questions. In other words, the Melbourne study suggests that chlamydia is transmitted by oral sex infrequently, if ever."



http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/CANT-SEEM-TO-GET-A-DEFINITIVE-ANSWER/show/247660

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Anyone-ever-get-Chlamydia-through-receving-oral/show/1568207

http://www.cdc.gov/std/Chlamydia/STDFact-Chlamydia.htm

Here's Dr Handsfield commenting on Chlamydia/oral in a 2010 post:

"You'll find lots of information on the web and elsewhere saying chlamydia is acquired by oral sex, but it's wrong -- even though such statements often come from apparently authoritative sources, such as public health departments. But the research is clear that chlamydia rarely infects the throat and, when it does, rarely is transmitted by oral sex (if ever). Why do so many information sources get it wrong? In my opinion, it is because there are many legitimate parallels between gonorrhea and chlamydia (symptoms, potential complications, etc), which leads people to assume that all aspects are similar. But they aren't. "

Here's a link to the post:

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Gonorrhea-Chlamydia-through-oral-sex/show/1257899

 

[Teal]

To those wondering how to check for sores. Turn the light on. Just tell her to say ahhhh. Not hard.

 

[mrsCALoki]

Everyone, you do know that you can find people on the internet that believe and preach everything form alien visits, to paedophilia. to Nazism. That is why one must be careful of internet sources. Sticking to world recognized and reliable sources, like the CDC or http://www.nejm.org is one approach to doing research. Another is to just keep looking for the handful of people who agree with your opinion and then smile and feel warm and secure in your beliefs.

And of course you can also take things out of context.

Believe what you want. Find some one on the fringe (NOT the cutting edge that you find in the nejm, just a fringe) that helps support your fringe beliefs. It works for paedophiles and Nazis and can work for you.

(yes this post is over the top)

 

[Davey905]

Everyone, you do know that you can find people on the internet that believe and preach everything form alien visits, to paedophilia. to Nazism. That is why one must be careful of internet sources. Sticking to world recognized and reliable sources, like the CDC or http://www.nejm.org is one approach to doing research. Another is to just keep looking for the handful of people who agree with your opinion and then smile and feel warm and secure in your beliefs.

And of course you can also take things out of context.

Believe what you want. Find some one on the fringe (NOT the cutting edge that you find in the nejm, just a fringe) that helps support your fringe beliefs. It works for paedophiles and Nazis and can work for you.

(yes this post is over the top)

Fringe eh?

http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/id/56166

 

[Possum Trot]

Fringe eh?

http://www.washington.edu/news/archive/id/56166

It would appear that MrsCALorie (sp)is the one unwilling to accept reliable sources. Hopefully this will put this subject to and end for another couple of months. The highlight of this round was the herpes through eyebrow waxing story.

People seem to have great difficulty distinguising between something being "theoretically and/or physically possible" and some objective valuation of the liklihood of it happening.

 

[FatOne]

Last year I saw my first flock of flamingoes (alive ones). There seemed to be a few that took great pleasure in getting the entire flock nattering and having a huge yelling match. The main trick seemed to be poking another bird at random to start a commotion. Pretty much, I see you in that context.

That you don't see yourself in this is a stunning example of self delusion and an utter lack of self awareness.

Amazing.

 

[msog87]

Everyone, you do know that you can find people on the internet that believe and preach everything form alien visits, to paedophilia. to Nazism. That is why one must be careful of internet sources. Sticking to world recognized and reliable sources, like the CDC or http://www.nejm.org is one approach to doing research. Another is to just keep looking for the handful of people who agree with your opinion and then smile and feel warm and secure in your beliefs.

And of course you can also take things out of context.

Believe what you want. Find some one on the fringe (NOT the cutting edge that you find in the nejm, just a fringe) that helps support your fringe beliefs. It works for paedophiles and Nazis and can work for you.

(yes this post is over the top)

do you think gov't bureaucrats are so brilliant? wherever the cdc is getting their info on chlamydia it obviously isnt from experts in the field, it isnt based on the facts. the govt lies and misleads about many things, you should never have any faith in the govt they have an agenda.

 

[mrsCALoki]

do you think gov't bureaucrats are so brilliant? wherever the cdc is getting their info on chlamydia it obviously isnt from experts in the field, it isnt based on the facts. the govt lies and misleads about many things, you should never have any faith in the govt they have an agenda.

Hun, you found an expert that agrees with you. Good for you.

hundreds of experts say the opposite for every one that agrees. But who cares? you found one you like

nejm is not government funded

 

[msog87]

Hun, you found an expert that agrees with you. Good for you.

hundreds of experts say the opposite for every one that agrees. But who cares? you found one you like

nejm is not government funded

some random dr. nobody doesnt make them an expert on STD's. the men I referenced dedicated their lives to std research, the facts are facts.

 

[Davey905]

some random dr. nobody doesnt make them an expert on STD's. the men I referenced dedicated their lives to std research, the facts are facts.

Lol so apparently the "fringe Dr." Handsfield is now outnumbered hundreds to one on his opinions!! This just keeps getting better!

 

[mrsCALoki]

some random dr. nobody doesnt make them an expert on STD's. the men I referenced dedicated their lives to std research, the facts are facts.

hun, list 20 respected published researchers or experts that agree with "unprotected oral sex for women is safe" or "chlamydia is not transmitted orally" position. Or for that matter just list 5. I can find you tons of researchers and experts not to even mention published papers in medical journals that contradict him. That makes it a Fringe position.

For that matter simply talk to any doctor who has sent a few dozen NAAT swabs to test patients throat to see if there is a chlamydia infection due to oral sex swabs. Where do you think the positives come from? Sperm migrating up through the stomach?

The bacteria does prefer anal and vaginal areas, but it can and does infect throats and eyes on a regular basis. That is why there are treatment protocols and tests for both those conditions. How the hell do you think it gets there?

But again, believe what ever you want. By the way DATY (mouth to Vagina ) transmission of chlamydias virtually unknown so .

 

[smiley1437]

is there a such thing as a hyPERchondriac?

 

[Curious36]

A better question would be "has anyone here ever gotten an std from oral sex, male or female?" I went to a bbbj sp one time and got some tiny red bumps on the end of my knob after a day or two. Freaked me out....but they went away in a few days. I think it was just some sort of agitation due to the length of the session and the vigor of the act. That was 5 years ago or so and NEVER an issue since. Lots of bbbj providers out there.....So in the entire TERB community ANYONE????

 

[mrsCALoki]

A better question would be "has anyone here ever gotten an std from oral sex, male or female?" I went to a bbbj sp one time and got some tiny red bumps on the end of my knob after a day or two. Freaked me out....but they went away in a few days. I think it was just some sort of agitation due to the length of the session and the vigor of the act. That was 5 years ago or so and NEVER an issue since. Lots of bbbj providers out there.....So in the entire TERB community ANYONE????

In general, low risk for a penis provider; high risk for the mouth provider.

I do not know if any men would admit to having been infected, and if they did how would most know the source?

No provider in her right mind would admit it if she had been or was infected. Incredibly bad for business, both hers and everyone else's.

 

[lenny2]

hun, list 20 respected published researchers or experts that agree with "unprotected oral sex for women is safe" or "chlamydia is not transmitted orally" position. Or for that matter just list 5. I can find you tons of researchers and experts not to even mention published papers in medical journals that contradict him. That makes it a Fringe position.

I'm drooling to have you give me even one, let alone "tons". So far, nada, except smoke & mirrors.

Not that i'm convinced by Mr. Handsfield's remarks. No, not at all. But even he allows for the possibility of the transmission of Clamydia via oral sex.

Either way, though, Clamydia IME was just a slap on the hand, at worst. So it may be more useful to this topic about the risks of oral sex to discuss something that is at least a semi serious threat.
Maybe herpes?

I do not know if any men would admit to having been infected, and if they did how would most know the source?

Now you do. The source? Either BBBJ or BBFS, i presume.

 

[lenny2]

A better question would be "has anyone here ever gotten an std from oral sex, male or female?"

I'm sure they have, but that's what pharmacies are for.

As for HIV, the risk is remote and rare, especially with recently testing negative with AN/AG.

 

[mrsCALoki]

guys, the gold standard most doctors and hospitals use is the CDC. It is also the clearing house for new information.

If you go there just check the the STD list to see which are a risk during oral sex.

"How do people get syphilis? Transmission of the organism occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. " cannot be much clearer.

"How do people get gonorrhea? People get gonorrhea by having sex with someone who has the disease. “Having sex” means anal, vaginal, or oral sex. Gonorrhea can still be transmitted via fluids even if a man does not ejaculate."

"How do people get genital herpes? People get herpes by having sex with someone who has the disease. 'Having sex' means anal, vaginal, or oral sex."

Hepatitis A and B are not worth talking about, since anyone with common sense multiple partners should have elected to be vaccinated.

"Individuals who are infected with STDs are at least two to five times more likely than uninfected individuals to acquire HIV infection if they are exposed to the virus through sexual contact. In addition, if an HIV-infected individual is also infected with another STD, that person is more likely to transmit HIV through sexual contact than other HIV-infected persons"

Translation..... STDs increases the risk of HIV.

Now argue what ever you want.

 

[kerrixoxo]

http://titsandsass.com/ask-a-pro-oral-stis-and-throat-swab-protocol/#more-9403

Here is another article on this without all the morality BS.

 

[canada-man]

 

[MyHobbyist]

I was always under the impression that oral sex was relatively safe.