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How optimistic are you about the economy? Will it get better soon? Later or Much later?

Ceiling Cat

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Question :

Do you think the economy will get better...............

1) Next summer.

2) Next year ( after Christmas 2024 )

3) Later ( 2025 )

4) Much later ( 2026 and beyond )


Please elaborate. I will give my opinion later.
 
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escortsxxx

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Recovery should be around 2035. Sometime after aphosis hits On the solar flares aa bate. Immediately is the Chinese civil war And weather they do operation overlord or not.

No west is foolishly thinking tht the current leadership wants wealth for China. They want to a rich upper class but no middle class ... Achievement of the goals Means of financial attack on the west Which has been happening for the last 4 years.

Of course I thought that Krypto would tank earlier. So I'm probably wtong.
 

y2kmark

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Define "economy", "better" and "soon"...
 

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Whenever Chuck Norris defeats the evil that is Justin Beiber.
Says so in the scriptures.
 
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are the Boomers getting younger and investing new money in the markets? No?

10 years of meh…. Then a it pops again.
 

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Question :

Do you think the economy will get better...............

1) Next summer.

2) Next year ( after Christmas 2024 )

3) Later ( 2025 )

4) Much later ( 2026 and beyond )


Please elaborate. I will give my opinion later.
Option 4. Beyond 2026. Inflation, GDP growth and balance of power. All three are playing against the economy. Core inflation is still very high despite central bank measures. Except oil, none of the other indicators of inflation is coming down. Due to low innovation across the economy and the lowest productivity across the G7 countries GDP growth is not going to be good for the next couple. This is in addition to job losses and the shitstorm waiting to happen in the mortgage front. On top of that econoc power of the west is fading big time. All the currency advantages we had so far might be waning fast. Taking these three to account and the challenging war conditions I am.voting for 2026. My optimistic view is 2025 but I am.voting for 2026.

I am.a big fan of your opinions on the market and I will wait for yours
 

Ceiling Cat

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IMHO I think the economy will be slow for the next five years. The politicians will not let it get bad until after the American and Canadian elections. There will be the big scare coming where it will look like the end of the world has come after that there will be a slow recovery only to have many ups and downs for years. The US and Canadian population is too confident that the government will take care of us. We will never see pandemic style stimulus again. If there is any stimulus it will be silent invisible stimulus to business and industry. When we see bad job numbers businesses closing up, that is when reality sets in. I am starting to see empty stores. Retailers are not carrying inventory. People are not buying new or used cars, banks are not giving out loans as easily these days. There is little consumer confidence. People only buy what they need, luxuries are not a priority.

On the matter of the markets. As I said, there may be a big scare coming. What I mean by that is that at the first signs that the economy is stagnant there may be a contagion of panic that might bring the markets down 25-30%. This may be a good thing as the markets have been over valued for a while and the panic might bring it back to realistic levels. Personally, I have stopped buying on the markets for now but I still watch it very closely. My observations are that the profits to be had these days are much smaller and take longer to achieve and are much harder to predict.

An old adage is : If you play the markets, be a bear, be a bull, but don't be a pig. ( or U-man ) The conditions on the market are not easy now, wait for better times. Watch the big financial institutions. If they are in the game the volumes will pick up. This will be signs of better times. 2024 will be a time of transition, 2025-2026 will be times of slow recovery.
 
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I think it will be a slow "recovery" if at that, maybe seeing some subtle shifts beginning in 2026 but I reckon we're in for a long haul
 

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If recovery is contingent on global economic growth my guess is
overall there will only be global economic contraction in the rest of
the century although some countries in the developing world will
continue growing their GDP for some years.
 

Ceiling Cat

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The government (s) are manipulating the economy. They will tell you things are not so bad when the reality is that is is not so good. The US government has hinted that there my be a reductions in interest rates next year while the Governor of the Bank of Canada has said that we must proceed with caution.

Pre pandemic the world was expecting a recession, the world was overdue for one. With all the spending during the pandemic we can expect that there will be some time before we can refill the government coffers. If this is the worse you have suffered in life consider yourself lucky, others in history have suffered worse.

We the baby boomers have enjoyed an ever growing economic prosperity as we grew up, the younger generations might not have it as good.
 

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The government (s) are manipulating the economy. They will tell you things are not so bad when the reality is that is is not so good. The US government has hinted that there my be a reductions in interest rates next year while the Governor of the Bank of Canada has said that we must proceed with caution.

Pre pandemic the world was expecting a recession, the world was overdue for one. With all the spending during the pandemic we can expect that there will be some time before we can refill the government coffers. If this is the worse you have suffered in life consider yourself lucky, others in history have suffered worse.

We the baby boomers have enjoyed an ever growing economic prosperity as we grew up, the younger generations might not have it as good.
True , but the decline can actually be seen as far back as 1978 and then accelerating in the 1980s and the first half of the 1990s as men without degrees started earning less than their fathers. So some second half back end boomer men have seen a decline(even worse when you include workplace pensions). I remember an article in the Globe in the 1990s that mentioned this(and the stats can be found at Statscan). Interestingly, it said that men with degrees saw deterioration much before, starting in the 1960s I believe, but they are still better of today. For the unskilled men, compensation has never returned to the 1977 peak.
 
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