There is an old joke that goes something like this: There was a small town that didn't have a lawyer. A enterprising lawyer found out about this, decided to set up shop and make a killing. One year passed and business was horrible. He called his friend (also a lawyer) and convinced him to come to the same town and open a practice. After that business was thriving for both lawyers.
In Canada we have way too many lawyers than needed. In a just society, nurses would earn twice as much as any lawyer.
In Canada we have way too many lawyers than needed. In a just society, nurses would earn twice as much as any lawyer.
Wow you make more then $250,000 cause that is what Ontario Superior Court Justices make as of a couple of years ago never mind 'super numeri' when it gets even more silly and they do a real shit job too....skypilot said:
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Yep.Doctor Zoidburg said:
When my dad passed away, his lawyer (a boyhood friend) was basically useless. He was of the generation that if your parents could afford to send you to go to university, you could have gotten into law school with about a 60 average.
This guy was about as sharp as a bowling ball. I went to see him after my dad died and he's sitting there telling me about probate this, and joint tenants that, and I'm thinking to myself, "I think you're wrong"
I'd ask him some basic question and he'd get on the phone to call his brain (a paralegal somewhere who actually knew the procedure), etc.
I remember we sold my dad's house and the guy wanted a fast closing so I called him up to tell him.
His answers were:
1. Can't be done.
2. Too fast.
3. I told you we need to go through probate (rhymes with masturbate for a reason.)
I told him I didn't want to lose this deal, that he could close the transaction and hold the money in trust till we went through probate.
His answer - "I'm going away to Palm beach next week and I won't have time"
My answer - "Thanks for your help, but I need to find someone who can put this deal through as expeditiously as possible (a.k.a. you're fired.)
He charged us $750.00 for handing over my dad's file and doing nothing. We paid because it wasn't worth arguing over.
Found another lawyer in Burlington that my sister knew who was a great guy.
Smart, very funny guy.
On the ball - tuns out we didn't need to go to probate court at all (other old geezer was wrong), didn't have to do a few other things as well.
Had the paper work signed sealed and delivered without any grief
Fees were very very reasonable.
I recommend this guy in a heart beat for anyone anytime.
Once you make over $200k/yr, who really cares?
owning my own business I know that your lifestyle does not change much If you bring home $200k or +$500k in one year.
owning my own business I know that your lifestyle does not change much If you bring home $200k or +$500k in one year.
This is not my experience in today's world. I work with lawyers every day, all types of them, real estate, corporate, civil, patent, crinminal, tax, etc...... Just last week I met with a very competent female patent lawyer, I see female lawyers everywhere, don't know what the stats are and I don't know your source for your stats, or is it just your gut feeling. I don't think it's the case today, use to be, but no more. There are many competent female lawyers in all fields and they hold responsible positions, they're not tokens for anyone.Keebler Elf said:
Also, in today's world, the man shares the responsbilities with the lady to raise children, etc...
Oh, one more thing, I'm encouraging my daughter to be a lawyer, and from what I see, she's going to be a damn good one and she won't take any shit from any male lawyer, or any male, period, and I assure you she won't be a token in any profession she chooses to be in.
Interesting...Keebler Elf said:
Talk to a hundred Engineers and most will tell you that they like their jobs very much as they get to work on things that are interesting and challanging, but that the pay sucks.
Talk to a hundred lawyers and they will tell you that they don't paricularly like their jobs, but the money is good.
Which would you rather have?
This thread is funny on so many levels.
It seems everyone hates a lawyer until they are in need of one, and those who REALLY hate lawyers have been in some sort of trouble with the law. (at least that is my opinion). There are as many types of lawyers as there are doctors. It is a very specialized field. Chances are good that a family lawyer does not have the skills to sell a gold mine. Because of this, the salaries vary accordingly.
I know a number of lawyers, and they all have one thing in common. They chose law because it had the potential to make a large income. All of them are bright, did well in school are are willing to sacrifice free time and family to make the $$$. I do not begrudge them for that, it is their choice. Yes, they will be more wealthy than I will probably ever be, but we see things in a different way. They value the $$$, I value living life, even if it means having less.
There is no right answer, it is all about personal choice.
It seems everyone hates a lawyer until they are in need of one, and those who REALLY hate lawyers have been in some sort of trouble with the law. (at least that is my opinion). There are as many types of lawyers as there are doctors. It is a very specialized field. Chances are good that a family lawyer does not have the skills to sell a gold mine. Because of this, the salaries vary accordingly.
I know a number of lawyers, and they all have one thing in common. They chose law because it had the potential to make a large income. All of them are bright, did well in school are are willing to sacrifice free time and family to make the $$$. I do not begrudge them for that, it is their choice. Yes, they will be more wealthy than I will probably ever be, but we see things in a different way. They value the $$$, I value living life, even if it means having less.
There is no right answer, it is all about personal choice.
Why would I envy a bunch of paper pushers?MLAM said:
As somebody once said "The law is an ass"
You know what that makes lawyers?
This is one of many reasons why I hate (well, not really) emails and internet posts...the post can be misinterpreted.wetnose said:
Wet, I agree with you. That was the point that I was trying (but evidently failed) to make.
All of these are professions with significant barriers to entry, that generally involve good and valuable people, and that involve training/education, experience and skills that most people don't have.
I know, I know...tired old perv said:
You are tired.
You are old.
You are a perv.
Do you know what that makes you?
Perry
Because...
Then again, like I said, I WISH I could get the same compensation punching a clock ANYWHERE doing ANYTHING that was no hazardous to my health.
...if I am to believe you...we make a lot more money doing a lot less work.tired old perv said:
Then again, like I said, I WISH I could get the same compensation punching a clock ANYWHERE doing ANYTHING that was no hazardous to my health.
If Canadians are cursed with sucky leaders, then Americans are ... with ... leaders?wetnose said:
As has been mentioned several times the above is inaccurate.MLAM said:
It depends on what type law one is practicing and where one is practicing it. Some lawyers choose to work for non legal firms as either house counsel or in jobs where a law degree is a great help, but not essential generally making perfectly good incomes. Others want to work in small towns or cities, does a lawyer in a firm with but one partner or perhaps a small firm with six lawyers in Timmins or Brockville or Rutland, Vermont make as much as a Partner in a major "silk stocking" firm in Toronto or Boston, certain not - but then again for a substantial number of lawyers money isn't everything.
