How many of you GAVE UP on dating figuring your just too undesirable to women?

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Roy F. Baumeister said:
Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question in 2005. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.
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http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

I think that shows women are innately wired to seek out alphas (however defined, height, looks, status, personality traits, money etc).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
 

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here is the thing. if youjust want sex then keep hobbying.

if you want a gf you have to accept where you are starting from and go from there.

just be ause your friends dont try to hook you up doesnt mean you dont have a chance. maybe their siblge friend is a christian vegan andjust not a good fit for you. plus dont put the blame on them have you asked?
 

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Absolutely not. My argument is not directed at me. Its a statistical argument aimed at the population as a whole.
 

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Source:
http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

I think that shows women are innately wired to seek out alphas (however defined, height, looks, status, personality traits, money etc).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
odds of either gender at birth is close to 50 50 althoigh an interesting study found that number of male births is declining the mechansm is not understood.

if there are more females doesnt that help you? plus i think that data just shows it is more dangerous to be male......war, construction sites, trying to impress women

just messing with ya lol
 

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odds of either gender at birth is close to 50 50 althoigh an interesting study found that number of male births is declining the mechansm is not understood.

if there are more females doesnt that help you? plus i think that data just shows it is more dangerous to be male......war, construction sites, trying to impress women

just messing with ya lol
Thank the Lord! :)
 

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i have a 100% of dying so why work? why not collect welfare and wait to die under a pile of junk food and empties?
 

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Thank the Lord! :)
but if we are talking the whole history of mankind you ve got thousands of years where life expectancy is low, life as a male is more hazardous. if we look at mankinds history in terms of education......early historu skews the results.
 

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what is your point with these stats?

if you want to say that some males dont get to have kids?

sure that happens. but what makes you so certain that you cant have a child?

us dating n reproducing are not the same.
 

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Hazard cannot explain a 100% difference in reproductive rates. You're clutching at straws.

All your arguments are ultimately geared at the notion that the people *HERE* are not necessarily the genetic losers in the male evolutionary game. Applied to the male population as a whole, its meaningless, but slick, talk.
 

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The point of the stats are that a lot of men live lives in deep pain that is incomprehensible to someone who does okay in Dating/Sex/Relationships.

The 'goal' of evolution is survival and reproduction - evolution has made these things pleasurable to us. Many men are cut out of it. Which is why I interpret the suicide stats of Australia the way I do.

I re-emphasize that this does not necessarily include me (though it might).
 

frankcastle

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Hazard cannot explain a 100% difference in reproductive rates. You're clutching at straws.

All your arguments are ultimately geared at the notion that the people *HERE* are not necessarily the genetic losers in the male evolutionary game. Applied to the male population as a whole, its meaningless, but slick, talk.
look forget about the numbers lets agree to disagree but the real question is what makes you so sure you are a genetic loser? wanna win? donate to sperm banks.
 

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As for friends hooking up other friends , everyone I knew did that. Sure I asked. " Dolls in their original packaging" not sure if you got me confused with someone else ( don't have dolls ) or a personal jab ( claiming I am being a sissy).
 

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The point of the stats are that a lot of men live lives in deep pain that is incomprehensible to someone who does okay in Dating/Sex/Relationships.

The 'goal' of evolution is survival and reproduction - evolution has made these things pleasurable to us. Many men are cut out of it. Which is why I interpret the suicide stats of Australia the way I do.

I re-emphasize that this does not necessarily include me (though it might).
interpretation of complex situations with manby variables plus ignoring facts about gender differences regarding suicide does not make you right....i know its wikipedia but they discuss a number of factors for the difference.

and if you are in pain do something about it why suffer in silence get help.
 

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Im NOT sure Im a genetic loser! D'oh! I keep saying that every second post!

My problems could have arisen from an extreme case of culture shock. Im just making a generalized statement - why?
I dunno - maybe I have a scientific mind and like to look at the big picture. Maybe Im just green with envy at my lost opportunities. Maybe something else.

The bottom line however is, Im describing something like gravity - an objective statement about western society and/or human biology.
 

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As for friends hooking up other friends , everyone I knew did that. Sure I asked. " Dolls in their original packaging" not sure if you got me confused with someone else ( don't have dolls ) or a personal jab ( claiming I am being a sissy).
dolls os a reference to the movie 40 yr old virgin
 

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I believe unless you have deluded yourself each person by the time they hit 30 maybe even sooner knows what level of attractivness they have ( hot, average, bottom of the barrel).
"Attractiveness" in men is very over-rated when it comes to finding a wife or girlfriend. It's only a critical factor if your goal is to pick a girl up in a bar and bang her later that night. You may never be a guy who can do that, but you can still find a SO. Look around at all the couples in the world and notice that a lot of the guys are not exactly hollywood A-list. They're (surprise) normal guys, with flaws.

Clean up your act, dress well, try and get your weight under control, get your finances in order, eliminate any serious body problems (breath, smells), and then just put yourself out there with people, get involved in stuff, and let it generally be known that you are looking to meet someone. Sooner or later it will just happen.

The PUA's like to say it is a numbers game, by which they mean annoying as many women as possible. It is a numbers game, but of a different sort--you need to create as many social situations as you possibly can, in which you might wind up meeting someone on positive terms and making a go of it.

It also doesn't hurt to try conventional dating, but for all my efforts to pick girls the ones that actually really worked out were usually just random and unexpected situations. Create enough situations, though, and the random and unexpected eventually will happen. You want your ducks in a row when the random happens--you want to be that well dressed, stable, friendly guy that happened to be there.

As a big plus if you get yourself involved in a lot of stuff you won't be at a loss to suggest what to do on a first date. You were already doing something, right? Just invite her along. Don't even make it a "date", really just bring her along on something you were already interested in doing and take it easy.
 

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I am just curious to know how many guys go this route because they gave up on dating figuring they are just too unattractive to a vast majority of women. AND what traits make you that way: way too ugly, hidiously fat, short, a nationality that too few in this country find desirable? I myself am one of those guys BUT NOT going to say what traits make me undesirable to 98% of women BECAUSE I do not want to influence the direction of this conversation. Maybe later on. P.S. Not implying there is not other reasons for hobbying, just curios about how many for this reason & what makes you that unattractive.
I would say 20% of the guys on terb are good looking, maybe 60% average and the rest 20% were not born with the beauty gene. Once you start seeing SP's it's hard to accept a regular girl because our expectations are now so high. Sp's are like a drug, once you taste them the first time you get hooked and it's not easy getting off it. I don't have problems dating regular girls and get picked from time to time however, it's hard to settle for just a regular girl when you can have a hot and amazing in bed SP. :)
 

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I would say 20% of the guys on terb are good looking, maybe 60% average and the rest 20% were not born with the beauty gene. Once you start seeing SP's it's hard to accept a regular girl because our expectations are now so high. Sp's are like a drug, once you taste them the first time you get hooked and it's not easy getting off it. I don't have problems dating regular girls and get picked from time to time however, it's hard to settle for just a regular girl when you can have a hot and amazing in bed SP. :)
According to a friend of mine who studies history a lot:
Prostitutes were a hallmark of a rising culture. It reduced the power of women and increased male co-operation. In fact during Industrial England, 20% of the female population of London were prostitutes. Also, ancient Athens (which gave us delicious stuff like the basis of philosophy, math and logic) the government actually subsidized prostitution so no man would go without.
 

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According to a friend of mine who studies history a lot:
Prostitutes were a hallmark of a rising culture. It reduced the power of women and increased male co-operation. In fact during Industrial England, 20% of the female population of London were prostitutes. Also, ancient Athens (which gave us delicious stuff like the basis of philosophy, math and logic) the government actually subsidized prostitution so no man would go without.
I would not be surprised if 20 percent of women at one time or another, traded sex for some sort of financial reward. Would not surprise me in the least.

When i was in University, I had a female friend who would sleep with her land lord once a week in exchange for free rent. Technically, she was prostituting herself. She figured that he was good in the sack and a decent enough guy so she didn't really mind.
 
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