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Selina... a Gentlewoman & a Scholar

Couldn't agree with you more. You give a very insightful analysis on the ways of the world. Is it real, or is it illusion. That is a fine line.
 

bootycall28

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Selina said:


Sp's Sp's Sp's............
They're here, there, and everywhere! In bars, hotels, or on the stroll, the bored housewife or girl next door,
Like spies and secret agents: flies on the wall,
It might be your daughter tomorrow, whom you might book for an outcall........
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My daughter? I'd be worried about her safety day and night. There always seems to be a wacko out there giving bad dates to the ladies.

Selena these posts seem self serving. Unpaid sp's? You make it sound like non prostitutes are missing the boat. Anyone can hook, some just don't want to period. Having sex with total strangers in some cases who may be a total turn off (fat, smelly, unattractive, irritating) and taking all the risks aren't for everyone.

Booty
 

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For the rare couples that have love, there is no better.

Booty
 

twobigo

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Aphrodite said:
OMG I couldn't have said it better!

*Jenn who prefers the role of a mistress to that of a potential wife... At least then I know there is another woman!*
 

twobigo

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OMG I couldn't have said it better!

*Jenn who prefers the role of a mistress to that of a potential wife... At least then I know there is another woman!*
Does that mean that i have to get married, lol!

Jenn, now puts her hands on her hips and rolls her eyes and tells me to f*** off!
 

Poseidon

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Ophelia Black wrote:
No kidding - forget a misogynist undertone, it's a goddamn misogynist marching band. Utterly pathetic.

That's why I'm a Vancouver SP posting on a Toronto board - there are literally maybe seven posters over there with more going on than a quarter cup of brain cells and a drawer full of wifebeaters.

And I hardly even post here - quite frankly, the Perb Experience can put you off boards for life
In defence of Perb not all members on Perb are Misogynist. To explain the situation, Ophelia had a bad review and a bad experience with 1 particular Perb member and when the member was active again, she left Perb. There are many good contributors and intelligent members on Perb so calling us a "a goddamn misogynist marching band. Utterly pathetic. " is both insulting and arrogant on Ophelia's part, since many times she has conversed for long periods with many members. Sad to see she is back stabbing many Perberts.

Also Selena your comments and insights into this topic rocks! It's too bad I don't live in your area, you're intelligence surpasses your beauty and you are a class act.
 

Ophelia Black

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No dude...that would be a fake review by lunatic who never saw me. Big difference.

I conversed with the few who were good contributers and intelligent. They are few and far between. Sad to see that you would rather bitch about my post than addressing the serious misogyny on Perb.

Which is something I suggest you do quickly because, as you may have noticed, almost all the decent posters have left.

And that, my friend, says more about Perb than any comment of mine, doesn't it?


Hurricane? Maybe because I pay for my listing through Terb, not Perb? I'm "proud of not paying"? Yeah...and I also shot Kennedy and kidnapped the Lindberg Baby. Maybe you should get your facts straight before posting next time.
 

Poseidon

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Perb members aren't leaving because of the state of the board but rather for personal reasons and conflicts. Ophelia, don't try to make it sound more than that and over dramatize the situation. After all, you are known for being a drama queen.
 

Ophelia Black

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Right...so it had nothing to do with threatened outings? Members getting weirdo backchannel messages and emails?

Look dude...why don't you concentrate on fixing Perb rather than bringing petty Perb bs here?

Don't like my opinion on Perb? Fine. But I find it ironic that your way of expressing that is putting on display exactly the type of juvenile behaviour that is driving so many away.

I've stated my opinion on Perb and I stand by it. I'm not going to subject this board to a Perb-style flamefest. Post away - but you'll be posting to yourself.
 

Poseidon

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I'm not looking for an argument nor am I going to get into a bitch/name calling session with you. It was just unfair of you to generalize the board and call us misogynists since after all, you were with us misogynists pigs for quite a while before leaving.

BTW, I think your true intentions are to try to deter other posters and sps from going on Perb.
 

Annessa

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Selina said:
Hi Punkdt, I couldn't help but notice your veiled tone........But please do correct me if I'm mistaken in my detection.
Any female who has been sexually active, say between the age of 18- 30, will surely have had at least a handful of serious relationships, if not a dozen, and that means most women, and much more, if we are talking about men.
The interval of time required to achieve that level of intimacy varies, and as for myself, to satisfy your curiosity, it takes at least a year, and I never have a boyfriend while in a working phase, as I separate the two entirely out of respect.
Some of us are a bit kinky, and enjoy being photographed in the act, but contrary to your assumptions, although some of my photos do depict BBFS, it is NEVER WITH A CLIENT, and not to completion, as I preferr the outside finale', or money shot, as it were, since I do not risk my health by taking birth control pills.
Now, having said that, who is safer to be with? A professional sex worker who practices strict measures, operates stone cold sober and has no boyfriend? Or the average chick in a bar, who gets picked up every weekend, and after a few drinks, we all know what happens, because it's o.k., since she's a "normal" girl, and couldn't be unsafe like an SP........Right?
For the record: Of all my SP associates over the years, none has ever picked up a disease nor gotten pregnant due to their extreme paranoia, while many of my civillian friends have had unsafe encounters with bar flys, co-workers, rock stars, athletes, etc. because they happen to be "cute, nice guys" (who pick up every weekend). They have also reported multiple abortions, and a few common "minor" diseases, all in the name of "looking for love in all the wrong places". What's funny is that these women tend to display outright indignation if anyone suggested they were "sluts", while I more accurately consider them to be unpaid SP's..........
Another scenario is the housewife, who's husband is unaware of exactly how bored she really is........Maybe she's an SP, while he secretly visits SPs? What a funny world......If only people were more honest about their sexuality!
At the end of the day, all I can say is that you can never be sure who is safe, but I can tell you this: The bar hottie gets handed a snazzy buisness card, and wakes up hung over, broke, disappointed and waiting for a phone call that never comes from the guy that came and went, while the SP gets handed an envelope full of cash, for an honest buisness transaction..........

xoxo Selina, Sexual Maverick
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Hello my twin sister. Amen! ;)


I also refrain from getting involved in serious relationships and it's very difficult because I/we get lonely like everyone else and since I don't do & have never done the 'one-night-stand' thing it really is just you, alone.
I feel the drain more mentally when/if I'm dating someone casually because I am honest woman and I lay ALL the cards on the table within the first month (depending on how much time is spent together)
So, either their mouth is going to hit the floor and they walk away or be like "Um...ok, I think we need to talk" either way I give them the choice of what they can handle and what they can't cause I already know what I am capable of.

In my RL secrets and lies don't exist for they are useless & pointmess. I don't have the time nor the desire for that self-destruction that can come from trying to convince yourself you can keep this a 'secret' from your boyfriend or husband or friends or family, etc.
The secrets and lies that come from the 'job' I can't control but what I can control and make sure is my 'SP' and 'RL' should never bleed into each other.

"Segregate The Mind From Body From Soul" - Tori Amos

Even when I know I've told the person I am dating whats going on and he's 'liberal' and understanding to the fact that I am a grown woman and I'm going to make my own decisions I still need to tap into the mental repression more while I work cause I know there's a nice guy out there right now that thinks the world of me and I have a heart and concious.

Some people can do it. I can't.



much love,
Annessa
 

DissMeNot

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Selina said:
Hi Punkdt, I couldn't help but notice your veiled tone........But please do correct me if I'm mistaken in my detection.
Any female who has been sexually active, say between the age of 18- 30, will surely have had at least a handful of serious relationships, if not a dozen, and that means most women, and much more, if we are talking about men.
The interval of time required to achieve that level of intimacy varies, and as for myself, to satisfy your curiosity, it takes at least a year, and I never have a boyfriend while in a working phase, as I separate the two entirely out of respect.
Some of us are a bit kinky, and enjoy being photographed in the act, but contrary to your assumptions, although some of my photos do depict BBFS, it is NEVER WITH A CLIENT, and not to completion, as I preferr the outside finale', or money shot, as it were, since I do not risk my health by taking birth control pills.
Now, having said that, who is safer to be with? A professional sex worker who practices strict measures, operates stone cold sober and has no boyfriend? Or the average chick in a bar, who gets picked up every weekend, and after a few drinks, we all know what happens, because it's o.k., since she's a "normal" girl, and couldn't be unsafe like an SP........Right?
For the record: Of all my SP associates over the years, none has ever picked up a disease nor gotten pregnant due to their extreme paranoia, while many of my civillian friends have had unsafe encounters with bar flys, co-workers, rock stars, athletes, etc. because they happen to be "cute, nice guys" (who pick up every weekend). They have also reported multiple abortions, and a few common "minor" diseases, all in the name of "looking for love in all the wrong places". What's funny is that these women tend to display outright indignation if anyone suggested they were "sluts", while I more accurately consider them to be unpaid SP's..........
Another scenario is the housewife, who's husband is unaware of exactly how bored she really is........Maybe she's an SP, while he secretly visits SPs? What a funny world......If only people were more honest about their sexuality!
At the end of the day, all I can say is that you can never be sure who is safe, but I can tell you this: The bar hottie gets handed a snazzy buisness card, and wakes up hung over, broke, disappointed and waiting for a phone call that never comes from the guy that came and went, while the SP gets handed an envelope full of cash, for an honest buisness transaction..........

xoxo Selina, Sexual Maverick
http://www.geocities.com/sinfulselina
Selina....you should be writer...good response....I am impressed at your clarity of thought and how well you have made your point...!
 

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I have to say that this discussion can be depressing. I was married for 16 years, it ended 2 yrs ago. Since then, I have seena few SP's....telling myself that the LAST thing I need is to get into a relationship and have to deal with all the arguing and compromising.

But lately, and this thread reaffirms it, I'm becoming very disillusioned with the whole concept of men-women. My old marriage counsellor once said that all of us naturally believe that we are giving more to a relationship than we are getting back. If that is true, then it stands to reason that neither partner in a relationship will ever be truly happy, feeling that they are getting the short end of the stick.

Can it be true that sex is something to barter with? That if one in the relationship is more financially independent than the other, that other may be in it for ulterior motives? (lifestyle, old age security)?

And I haven;t even gotten into the whole "cheating" thing....one thing I'm learning is it happens more than we think...so what would it take to COMPLETELY TRUST your partner?

Up until now I've believed that these feelings were a result of losing a marriage that I thought was secure...and now I am suffering from the resultant fallout - ie. not trusting another woman, etc etc....but reading this thread, especially comments about "amatuer SP's"...makes me wonder if all of this isn't in fact "reality"....that everyone is after something in this world.....
 

Fay

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SaveFerris said:
.....that everyone is after something in this world.....
Yeah, this could get really deep, eh?

Of course, it's true, everyone is after something. But it doesn't have to be something dishonest or covertly alterior. There is always a motivation for the things we do...except for those with compulsive disorders, I guess. We look for love because love feels good, we try to get monogamy because security feels good, we buy our friends flowers because their smile feels good to us....even those acts which seem totally selfless have at least some personally gratifying motive for us, I think. But yes, there are those which include money in their criteria for falling in love. Just like many include beauty, big titties, youthfulness. We can always be proven wrong by accidentally falling for someone who doesn't have most of the things on our list, though. Ugh! I'm sleepy....what am I trying to say? I think I'm trying to say: try not to get too sad and overwhelmed by that feeling of "everyone wants something". I feel that way too sometimes (heck, that sentiment is really one of the reasonings that got me into sp-ing...I figured that if so many guys were gonna pretend to be my 'friend' just to get close enough to take sexual advantage, and for all the joyless one-sided sex I'd been through, I might as well start getting something out of it for a change) but it doesn't do to let yourself believe that everyone's after the same thing. You find someone who thinks like you do, someone who's desires match up with your own...even just finding good friends like that and surrounding yourself in them only and ignoring the shallow ones, makes your world seem more worth living in.
 

seven

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Fay said:
I feel that way too sometimes (heck, that sentiment is really one of the reasonings that got me into sp-ing...I figured that if so many guys were gonna pretend to be my 'friend' just to get close enough to take sexual advantage, and for all the joyless one-sided sex I'd been through, I might as well start getting something out of it for a change) but it doesn't do to let yourself believe that everyone's after the same thing.
Obviously, guys need sex and it is a big thing for us, but you mean to tell me that hardly any guys appreciated you for your intelligence, balanced thoughtful perspective, and the cute way you ramble on? You're like the female version of Poolie. I'd marry Poolie if I was gay. Heck, I'm thinking about marrying him anyway.
 

pool

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seven said:
You're like the female version of Poolie. I'd marry Poolie if I was gay. Heck, I'm thinking about marrying him anyway.
I think you had better brush up on how to compliment a woman, picky or you may end up with just what you wish for.

PS You sure seem to know the way to my heart though, with a post like that. Is this a proposal ?
 

Fay

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On the subject of meanies with alterior motives, gold-diggers, complacent house-wives and the like...

It's weird, there's enormous talk on terb about women being only after money, $ the big aphrodesiac, having to be rich to get the pretty girls, etc. And in all my years I've just never known any girls like that (myself included, obviously). Maybe I have met some, but just found their attitude repulsive and blocked them from my consciousness. There's so much talk and consensus on their prolific existence, I must have gone to school with these people at least, or worked with them, but I guess they just never ended up being friends with me, so they don't exist in "my world".

On the other hand, examples of men with not-so-sweet alterior motives have been a huge part of my life and the lives of my girl-friends...maybe we were the sucker-crowd of nice girls who guys figure are an easy target. But I've been offered a helping hand-up by guys only to have it sliced at the wrist because I wouldn't "put out" more time than I can remember, a shoulder to cry on only so he could get his hand down my pants often enough, and the whole "hey, you can trust me, I'm your friend" crap only to have them try to get me liquored and "loosened up" for their advances. And worse.

I've also, along with many other sp friends of mine, been the $ ticket to ride a few times, with boyfriends who are nothing but thrilled that I'm making quick $ under the table and wait eagerly at home for it to roll in, spending the money I gave them for rent on beer or a pair of shoes for themselves instead (but usually for beer). Obviously we didn't go with these guys for their money or security, they had none to begin with. Parasites aside, I don't think I've ever dated a guy who was much above the poverty line, except one who made a pretty bundle but payed most of it in alimony to one of those much-discussed useless house-wives (remind me to start an anti-alimony thread one day, I've got some good arguments), so really I was thrilled just to have food in the cupboards of our crappy little apartment and to go to a movie once in a while. Is this really rare? Or is it just that rule of "the ass-hole always speaks loudest" and is thereofre always more noticeable? What I mean is, do we tend to forget about all the kinder and more honourable lads and lasses (and lets face it, we overlook the existence of a lot of the good ones simply because we don't find them hot) because of the handfull that go out there and break a bunch of hearts? Okay, it's surely more than a handfull, but I don't think they make the majority for either gender.

You know how guys get all frustrated by hearing beautiful women complain about how they're all cautious and embittered by the long line of assholes who've mistreated them before? The whole ruined maiden turned cynical ice-queen? Same applies the other way (maybe most guys already know that, but just incase you don't....) Neverending stories about how "that's it, women are messed up, man. From now on I'm just gonna be a prick and treat'em like crap, that's what seems to work for other guys." For gals like me, that kind of talk just makes me roll my eyes and go "whatever, lost cause, self-pity and bitterness not attractive at all" and leave them be. And this kinda guy (or gal for that matter) goes out and treats sweety like crap, acts selfishly and dishonestly, plays head games, breaks another heart. And the cycle continues....lotta walking wounded out there.

I know some people get their hearts crushed way too easily, like those who are devastated after dating for two weeks and then getting dumped, and there's no helping those big wusses. But for those who really get shit on in life, love and friendship (Lee Cum Gay, you just keep your pants on , mister), I find that the healthiest, scrappiest, come-backs are those who shed a tear, have a drink, deal with it, shrug their shoulders and say "Fuck it, the arseholes are inevitable for sure, but I don't have to hang with them" and eject them from their lives like so much stinky rotten fridge leftovers, make room for better friends and lovers who have more compatible interests and ethics. Even if it means feeling a little lonely for a bit till someone comes along to prove that you can be loved for you and not your money or your back-rubs and blow-jobs. Just my 2c.

LOL Guys, if I ever start sounding like Lee D'Or the advicey/lifestyle columnist from Metro, track me down and shoot me, 'kay?
 

Fay

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seven said:
you mean to tell me that hardly any guys appreciated you for your intelligence, balanced thoughtful perspective, and the cute way you ramble on? You're like the female version of Poolie.
You think my rambling is cute? *blush* I think it's embarassing, and yet sometimes I can't help it. I have this quirky minor obsessive worry about being misunderstood, so I just keep talking until someone's eyes or voice show a sign of understanding what I'm getting at. Unfortunately with stuff like terb, I can't tell, and I don't want anyone to be like "you're an idiot" beofre I fully explain myself, so I pre-guess any misunderstandings or questions and over-explain everything. Then I get sleepy and confused and go on tangents...yawn....and then I go off in all kinds of directions, I think that's why I do so poorly on exams at school, and take so long to write essays, the learning disabilities department couldn't put the ADD label on me, but definitely have diagnosed me as a distracted space cadet, and I find food on campus really overpriced...yawn... but at least my TA's this year are pretty decent, and that clock in the main hallway has actually been on time lately....zzz...zzz...murmurm-economic-colonialism-murmur-modern-state-murmur-bibliography-murm-is-that-a-dog?-zzz...zzz
 
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