How does fucking her make you feel if she is not enjoying it?
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When a hooker is distant and detached as occurs once in a while I don't like it. I know I am paying them for sex, but I don't want to traumatize anyone at any cost. So women like that should not be in the business, or perhaps its just bad chemistry - I will not repeat. If a girlfriend relents to my sexual desires even if she is not in the mood, I know she is doing it to please me, which greatly endears her to me. After all, I always try to pleasure women when I have sexual encounters, paid or long term paid.
So if a gay guy raped you, he shouldn't be charged and you wouldn't hold it against him because his genes made him do it?
Well that kind of puts everything into perspective doesn't it?..LOL.
I eagerly await his response.
I don't agree with the perspective that Mr. George the Curious articulated, however one could note that the distinction is that homosexual behaviour is based solely on acquiring pleasure(presumably), whereas normal, Heterosexuality is based on procreation with the tactile pleasure being that driving force. Sincerely, Jon .
I'm heterosexual and my behavior with an SP is based solely on acquiring pleasure also. Procreation is the last thought on my mind.
I'm sure that this is true for the majority of men in this scenario; However please consider that the sexual pleasure that you seek as a heteosexual represents the biological imperative to procreate (see Post #: 26), whereas homosexual behaviour is (presumably)driven by a simple desire to acquire pleasure. This difference is, in my view, signifigant if only to illuminate the profound and incontrovertible biological and evolutionary imperatives in Life. Sincerely, Jon .
Interesting argument but you and me are not a gay men, we cannot possibly know what kind of instincts homosexuals have.
Reproductive instinct is coded by a different set of genes than sexual orientation-it's perfectly plausible from scientific standpoint that your sexual orientation and procreation instinct coexist. And what about bisexual men?
If we're using science to support our arguments, then here's mine:
Sexual assault/rape means that it's perpetrator doesn't care that he's/she's hurting someone-emotionally and physically-to get what the perpetrator wants.
Procreation instinct is coded for an urge to procreate ie to have intercourse (not violate someone to procreate.)
Sexual assault/rape doesn't always involves intercourse.
Therefore SA/rape cannot be explained by procreation instinct.
It's actually a whole different subset of genes that codes for inability to care about inflicting harm on someone-a subset, that in combination with a number of other subsets, codes for disorder called psychopathy.
Present valid scientific evidence that supports your argument and I will change my position. But I just can't agree with something that doesn't have proof.
I'm not of the opnion that there is a genetic basis for homosexuality, excluding of course, psychiatric disorders; as there may be, to continue with your example, genetic abnormalities that result in psychopathy, etc. My point of view should be readily apparent and that is that there is an evolutionary and biological imperative for heterosexuality that is obviously lacking in homosexual behaviour. Sincerely, Jon .
Homosexuality evolved from mutual protection among group of men. This gives rise to greater survivability among gay group in time of violence, remaining survivors mate with female out of lack of gay men in the new group thus pass on his gay genes.
I find it a turn off if a SP is not at least pretending. What would I do about it? Finish and move on. I wouldn't try and pleasure her because if she wasn't turned on to begin with nothing in my bag of tricks will change that. Her arousal is a combination of my looks, her perception of me, how I treat her etc. There's no "move" that turns an indifferent woman to a sex kitten.
As for the gay tangent. Much like the hetero instinct it is a hardwired instinct. Genetics doesn't place a higher value on procreation vs pleasure seeking. That value is placed by "us" the people in this discussion. I would suggest that there was some value to it from a geneti/evolutionary standpoint.... what it is I don't know. I just read an article suggesting that some phobias are genetic. And to me that makes sense a fear of heights or spiders probably helps keep some people alive.
So either at some point in human history it was useful to us OR it is a recurring mutation in a gene that is prone to mutation thus it keeps popping up even though gay men reproduce less often.
But maybe there's a third side to this maybe there are way more men with the gay gene than we realize because many are suppressing their urges and conforming to society and reproducing and thus proopagating the gay gene.
Women tend to be more willing to experiment with homosexuality. Maybe it has nothing to do with sex but a reflection of people more willing to experiment. Surely survival is linked to those willing to try new things. I mean who would look at a lobster for the first time and think "all it needs is butter?" So maybe homosexuality is a by product of those with a propensity for risk taking or experimentation.
Point I am taking a long time to make is that genetics is not so simple. Modes of inheritance for many traits are still not fully understood. And the reasons for why a trait persists is not a simple binary question as these traits probably predate written history so we are trying to apply civilized thoughts to animal instincts. Heck homosexuality has been observed in animals. Not sure if my dogs are gay but boy do they sure like to lick each other's groins.
As for the gay tangent. Much like the hetero instinct it is a hardwired instinct. Genetics doesn't place a higher value on procreation vs pleasure seeking. That value is placed by "us" the people in this discussion. I would suggest that there was some value to it from a geneti/evolutionary standpoint.... what it is I don't know. I just read an article suggesting that some phobias are genetic. And to me that makes sense a fear of heights or spiders probably helps keep some people alive.
So either at some point in human history it was useful to us OR it is a recurring mutation in a gene that is prone to mutation thus it keeps popping up even though gay men reproduce less often.
But maybe there's a third side to this maybe there are way more men with the gay gene than we realize because many are suppressing their urges and conforming to society and reproducing and thus proopagating the gay gene.
Women tend to be more willing to experiment with homosexuality. Maybe it has nothing to do with sex but a reflection of people more willing to experiment. Surely survival is linked to those willing to try new things. I mean who would look at a lobster for the first time and think "all it needs is butter?" So maybe homosexuality is a by product of those with a propensity for risk taking or experimentation.
Point I am taking a long time to make is that genetics is not so simple. Modes of inheritance for many traits are still not fully understood. And the reasons for why a trait persists is not a simple binary question as these traits probably predate written history so we are trying to apply civilized thoughts to animal instincts. Heck homosexuality has been observed in animals. Not sure if my dogs are gay but boy do they sure like to lick each other's groins.
Edit: not to generalize but sometimes it seems that artsy types have a higher prevalence of homosexuality so maybe there's a link between creativity and homosexuality.
I can certainly see how creativity and innovation is a very beneficial trait for a population to have. So thanks to that gene we have helicopters..... anal sex and glory holes is just a by product.
I can certainly see how creativity and innovation is a very beneficial trait for a population to have. So thanks to that gene we have helicopters..... anal sex and glory holes is just a by product.
I'm not sure what else you'd expect from an escort other than a reasonable degree of honesty... Homosexuals can not reproduce. That's the point. I believe that you are aware of the previous discussion on this topic....LGBT people /in Russia...? I'm sure that there's a link. Some of the points that you've raised here have been addressed in that earlier Thread. Perhaps this portion of our present discussion could continue there, in the earlier discussion.....? This conversation seems to have drifted some from what I understood the original question to be. Sincerely, Jon .I find it a turn off if a SP is not at least pretending. What would I do about it? Finish and move on. I wouldn't try and pleasure her because if she wasn't turned on to begin with nothing in my bag of tricks will change that. Her arousal is a combination of my looks, her perception of me, how I treat her etc. There's no "move" that turns an indifferent woman to a sex kitten.
As for the gay tangent. Much like the hetero instinct it is a hardwired instinct. Genetics doesn't place a higher value on procreation vs pleasure seeking. That value is placed by "us" the people in this discussion. I would suggest that there was some value to it from a geneti/evolutionary standpoint.... what it is I don't know. I just read an article suggesting that some phobias are genetic. And to me that makes sense a fear of heights or spiders probably helps keep some people alive.
So either at some point in human history it was useful to us OR it is a recurring mutation in a gene that is prone to mutation thus it keeps popping up even though gay men reproduce less often.
But maybe there's a third side to this maybe there are way more men with the gay gene than we realize because many are suppressing their urges and conforming to society and reproducing and thus proopagating the gay gene.
Women tend to be more willing to experiment with homosexuality. Maybe it has nothing to do with sex but a reflection of people more willing to experiment. Surely survival is linked to those willing to try new things. I mean who would look at a lobster for the first time and think "all it needs is butter?" So maybe homosexuality is a by product of those with a propensity for risk taking or experimentation.
Point I am taking a long time to make is that genetics is not so simple. Modes of inheritance for many traits are still not fully understood. And the reasons for why a trait persists is not a simple binary question as these traits probably predate written history so we are trying to apply civilized thoughts to animal instincts. Heck homosexuality has been observed in animals. Not sure if my dogs are gay but boy do they sure like to lick each other's groins.
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It's also true that most genius are mad or socially misfit.Edit: not to generalize but sometimes it seems that artsy types have a higher prevalence of homosexuality so maybe there's a link between creativity and homosexuality.
I can certainly see how creativity and innovation is a very beneficial trait for a population to have. So thanks to that gene we have helicopters..... anal sex and glory holes is just a by product.
I will pick and choose which threads to post and read but thanks for pointing out a thread I won't be reading. By your rationale all tangents should be redirected.
I've obviously missed something but last time I checked gays can reproduce or pass gay genes on in a number of ways
1) in more repressed times..... sham marriages edit we all hear of the stories of men who have a family then come out.
2) in more progressive times..... co parenting.... I know of lesbian couples that find gay couples to have a child with
3) in anonymous ways..... how do you know a sperm donor is straight?
4) for gay males with money..... a surrogate will run you about 60K
5) for those that believe homosexuality is nurtured..... gays can adopt.... this is probably controversial as I think it's more genetic then environment
6) there are "straight" men who have gay sex.... weird to wrap your head around but that is considered a classification I'm not sure if that person is actually bi or what.
7) there are probably gay people who don't know or deny they are gay..... guess that is similar to 1)
8) don't forget that not all genetic traits are seen in all people. your mother could be a carrier for male pattern baldness but that doesn't mean she is bald
9) some genes might be more prone to spontaneous mutations which is why some genetic disorders persist even though people who have the disorder are more likely to die without reproducing. So it's possible for a straight couple to have a child who turns out to be gay because one of the many mechanisms of spontaneous mutations occurred in the mom or dad. It's quite well documented that some genes are more prone to mutation than others.
9) some genes might be more prone to spontaneous mutations which is why some genetic disorders persist even though people who have the disorder are more likely to die without reproducing. So it's possible for a straight couple to have a child who turns out to be gay because one of the many mechanisms of spontaneous mutations occurred in the mom or dad. It's quite well documented that some genes are more prone to mutation than others.
10) the mechanism for the phenotype homosexual to occur could be very complex think of children who have unexpected traits from their parents..... e.g. the blond kid with dark haired parents, the tall kid with short parents etc.
