I get where the ladies are at on this one; when you work in a high risk job you use what ever procedures you can to cut that risk down. Believe it or not, that is also what most clients are doing when they try and avoid leaving a traceable record of their activity. Any client that sends a copy of their ID is thinking with their little head.
How do people know that a text comes from a texting app?
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As already explained, it is not to contact your wife - it is to give to police and police can trace it. It has been proven as also pointed out in this thread and police have told me this directly. Oh and just a heads up 7/11 speak out phones use a large Canadian Telecom company for their service and give assistance to police. This is not to mention other search tools in finding where and when the phone was purchased, video surveillance of the transaction as more and more systems keeps recording for longer, even for buying vouchers for top up. Up to a year usually now. So it is a false sense of security thinking your burner phone will protect you if you rape, rob or murder one of us.
If you registered your text app with any identifier like your email address, or certain phone settings, that can be traced and apps will give your registered info to police as well, but you can hide that info much easier with a text app.
Also - it is not just safety from
Harm but safety and security for availability and booking - I’m not wasting my time with people who use text apps. Too many will waste your time, not show up, etc. so there is more then one reason to not accept text apps. If it means good guys can’t book, then oh well. That is the nature of the game.
Maybe not yours, but someone else reading this thread. This is just not something we are going to share. Why would we tell men our tricks to being safer if it will just help others use that against us? Sorry but sometimes you just don’t get the answers you want because of other people negative actions.
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I fully appreciate the providers perspective here. I have also received death threats from contacting a “Provider “. I feel much better that I used a text app there. I would suspect that the police could trace you even if you used an app, but only if it was serious enough for them to bother.
I personally think using the app for initial contact and a confirmation call from my real phone once we have agreed to meet would be reasonable. If the provider is a well reviewed person on here….no issues and I just use my phone. I trust the system.
It’s also like job hunting though….you need experience to get a job and a job to get experience. New girls need to start somewhere and might be great trustworthy people. With so many scams and bad people, I am cautious though. I have been ripped off by a girl before…. She tried to get me to snort some coke. If I had, who knows what it might have been. It could have turned out really bad. As it was, when I refused she said she was going to the washroom and bailed with my money.
Lessons learned, but there are nice girls out there too. So I eliminate any girls under 28 and use a text app until I feel good enough about conversation to meet. At that point a confirmation from my own number is warranted. I’m also not interested in any drugs, if I learn they are doing (Hard) drugs, I’m bailing. A bit of pot doesn’t faze me, but I’m not smoking it myself.
Does anyone have a better solution that protects both sides?
I personally think using the app for initial contact and a confirmation call from my real phone once we have agreed to meet would be reasonable. If the provider is a well reviewed person on here….no issues and I just use my phone. I trust the system.
It’s also like job hunting though….you need experience to get a job and a job to get experience. New girls need to start somewhere and might be great trustworthy people. With so many scams and bad people, I am cautious though. I have been ripped off by a girl before…. She tried to get me to snort some coke. If I had, who knows what it might have been. It could have turned out really bad. As it was, when I refused she said she was going to the washroom and bailed with my money.
Lessons learned, but there are nice girls out there too. So I eliminate any girls under 28 and use a text app until I feel good enough about conversation to meet. At that point a confirmation from my own number is warranted. I’m also not interested in any drugs, if I learn they are doing (Hard) drugs, I’m bailing. A bit of pot doesn’t faze me, but I’m not smoking it myself.
Does anyone have a better solution that protects both sides?
Here is the thing - too many men using apps with waste your time in initial contact. It is such an waste of administrative time. When you message a girl who put an ad on LL, she is getting dozens of other texts at the time. If she is like me - I do first come first serve so if you contact me first, if you have questions I will take the time to answer before booking someone who contacted 5 mins after you. Unless it is a regular and I haven’t told you specific availability yet. So I could waste 10-20 mins answering questions and the other guy will just move on. Question to answers already in our ads but you guys always to confirm what it in the ad (even though we know you just didn’t ready it)
For me - I will just search the number. Takes 2 seconds and saves me so much more in the long run. I do that before replying back. And yes to every incoming communication, text, or email. I’ll check phone while answering. If an app, I’ll hang up. I have the same reply to everyone. “You are using an app, use a real number, or if you can’t, I get it. Have a good day” a little more professional then that but you get the idea.
Their is no solution. Just enough players on both sides that needs can still be met regardless of boundaries you have personally for yourself. You can find girls who take apps and I can find clients who don’t use them. There is no shortage for either of us.
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Their is no solution. Just enough players on both sides that needs can still be met regardless of boundaries you have personally for yourself. You can find girls who take apps and I can find clients who don’t use them. There is no shortage for either of us.
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You are already established in your business. I would not have any issues using my real number to call you. I’m only concerned with unknown providers. They need to get a reputation somehow, but I am cautious if I am taking one for the team.
Their is no solution. Just enough players on both sides that needs can still be met regardless of boundaries you have personally for yourself. You can find girls who take apps and I can find clients who don’t use them. There is no shortage for either of us.
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You are already established in your business. I would not have any issues using my real number to call you. I’m only concerned with unknown providers. They need to get a reputation somehow, but I am cautious if I am taking one for the team.
I had to build that reputation. I was new once. And I tour so sometimes , based on where you go and advertise - you are an unknown all over again because you are new to that area and guys are skeptical of touring girls. As many scams play like touring girls. So I get some of the struggle even with having a reputation here on TERB.
There are still more then enough men willing to take the chance on me either based on ad, communication, etc.
A good summary from Ms. Jenesis on what is fairly obvious and we should already know.
My 2cents on something I know a little about.
Does the exclusion of text apps make our beloved providers much safer, no. In this regard it is a very low-level screening tool.
Can burner apps be traced back to you even with a VPN on your primary device? If it is on a device you pay for through a major carrier then yes. Like come on people. With today's technology do you really think a motivated agency will not be able to track back your shady activity via an app you downloaded on the bloody app store?
Can you be found (relatively easily) even whilst using a burner phone purchased from any convenience store etc, yes. Unless you are MUCH smarter than the average bear.
Does the practice of providers not engaging with text app individuals save them a ton of time and no-shows and all kinds of other nonsense, hell yes.
Why? The amount of energy required to download an app on your phone and harass people is close to zero. The jokers who have nothing better to do with their lives than reach out to providers and pummel them with questions and no show on appointments are probably very common. The same idiots that treat women like shit when they see them or harass and stalk them etc. Like, get a life or a friend or something for god's sake.
Yes, yes we know, they can just go buy a burner phone at the 7-11 and do the same thing.
The difference is that this requires a relative effort of like 2.5/10 vs a zero to download an app and a minuscule monetary investment.
This alone will eliminate the vast majority of these clowns.
Its sad to see that the sex industry is going in this direction where there is really no trust anymore between client and sp anymore. I think there is enough blame to go around on both sides and i understand thats its because both sp and client have had bad experiences which is why sp's use screening methods to keep them safe and client's use methods to protect their identity and keep things confidential. Everyone is right in their own way and at the end of the day the priority should always be yourself in this hobby and make sure you do whatever it is you need to do to feel safe. This goes for both client and sp.
That is fair. No harm intended, but thank you for explaining how this could have unintentionally caused harm.
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The difference between client and SP is that the client has tools like TERB to decide who they will see.
Clients have the option to see well-known, well-reviewed ladies or take his chances on an unknown, which many willingly do in search of a hidden gem.
We do not have the same resources you do. Our private lounges are scant.
I am sure many of you will not like this comment, but look at the sheer amount of murdered or physically hurt prostitutes. We are of the most vulnerable and because of this, we are murdered more often than other groups of people.
Please, just look at the numbers of murdered or missing prostitutes (especially Indigenous in Canada) in North America since 1975.
Clients are more worried about their personal information being used against them or a deposit being stolen.
I understand that your safety as a client is important too, but your risk of violence or murder is nothing compared to ours.
I am tired of clients saying their risks are equal to ours when they are absolutely not.
So we need to stop judging SPs who require real phone numbers or ID or deposits or photos, etc... and just move on if we don't like it.
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A client questioning screening methods is ultimately no different than a client questioning an SP's restrictions.
Neither is going to get them very far with that provider.
Neither is going to get them very far with that provider.
I do agree that a no text app rule (unless you require a cell number tied to a real name) is mainly successful in preventing time wasters, no shows and those who are just looking to harass SPs.
Since screening for text apps, I have saved myself so much trouble and wasted time.
I will even ask first if someone is using an app to see if they will be truthful. It is pretty sad how many I have caught in a lie.
Those who are honest get a chance at either giving me a real number or another form of screening like a deposit, established review board username or reference.
I still say any guy who makes himself easily traceable to a prostitute is not thinking clearly.
Perhaps this has been answered, but because I have no cell reception where I live I use "wifi calling" on my phone, This works as a substitute for cell service from towers, but means that any texts I send from my real cell phone will probably look like a texting app...as they get routed through my internet somehow (the carriers that support this do that part). So my question - would I automatically get blocked for using my cell phone because of this?
The amount of guys who write back “it’s a work phone not an app” or “im from out of town so that is why the different area code”.
LOL. Area codes mean nothing. I can tell you if you are using TextNow, TextMe, Openphone, etc. and Men don’t like when I call them a liar and tell them which app they are using. Then all questions of how do I know come up and I just ignore.
It is like a text app. Some companies are known though like Fibernetics or Videotron for example. I will still take those.
I won’t take OpenPhone or VOIP services. Yours and theirs are two different types of internet based phones.
No doubt there is more physical safety risk being an SP then their is being a client but at the end of the day thats sadly one of the inherent risks of the profession SP's "chose" to be in. Client's do have forums such as TERB but honestly anything you read on here you have to take with a grain of salt and obviously not everything you read is always 100% accurate. There are countless stories of clients being robbed, stood up, blackmailed etc by "well reviewed" ladies. I do acknowledge that these may not always be equavelent to physcial safety risks but there still risks nonetheless that clients have to deal with. I have been in this hobby for close to 15 years now and i can honestly say that the client/sp relationship was a lot more trustworthy back then compared to now. Its funny because there werent nearly as many resources or tools available back then for sp's or clients to feel "safe" but for some reason things just felt safer and more natural then they do now eventhough we have so many more things to use at our disposle.
Stood up? That is a safety risk now?
And as with everything net related, things are not happening more then before. You just have the availability to hear about it now. Cops were killing and beating people for years before SM, you just have the capability to record it now and show the world.
You sit there and say that we choose this professional but you forget - you choose to hobby as well. And your choice is luxury while to many SWers, the choice is out of necessity. There is a huge difference between your “choice” and that of the single mom trying to feed two kids because dad took off with the younger model.
EDIT: this does not mean that I am minimizing the client risk and I’m not saying that our protocols are more important than your boundaries either. I’m just stating some facts here. Clients should keep their boundaries but SPs should keep theirs as well. Which is why it is great that the population of men and women in this industry make enough room for all to get what they want.
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Pan! I lived around 1 corner away from her! Paul Bernardo was 1 yr ahead of my sis and a few years ahead of me at the same highschool...and my good friend dated a guy who's 15 year cuz murdered his entire family in Scarborough! But I digress....sorry ... It all just hit me after seeing Pan's name.
Now, carry on with the conversation all...
