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The House passed a bill on Thursday to provide $14.3 billion in aid to Israel as it fights a war against Hamas – a move that sets up a clash with the Democratic-led Senate in an early leadership test for Speaker Mike Johnson.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has called the House GOP bill a “deeply flawed proposal” that the Senate will not take it up. Democrats are objecting to the fact that the bill does not include aid to Ukraine and would enact funding cuts to the Internal Revenue Service. The House vote was 226 to 196. Two Republicans opposed the bill and 12 Democrats supported it.

Democrats have called for aid to Israel to be paired with additional security assistance for Ukraine in its war against Russia. In the Senate, there is bipartisan support for aid to Israel and further aid to Ukraine. But in the House, many Republicans are opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine, putting the two chambers at odds.

In an attempt to offset the cost of the $14.3 billion in Israel aid, the House bill would rescind $14.3 billion in funding for the Internal Revenue Service. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said, however, that the proposal to offset aid to Israel by cutting IRS funding would add to the deficit and result in roughly $26.8 billion in lost revenue over 10 years.

Democrats say aid to Israel should not be conditional upon funding cuts and have seized on the CBO assessment to call the GOP proposal unserious. “The hypocrisy here is that by cutting funding to go after tax cheats, (it) will actually explode the deficit by billions and billions of dollars. What a joke,” Schumer said.

Schumer went on to say that the Senate “will not be considering this deeply flawed proposal from the House GOP. Instead, we will work together on our own bipartisan emergency aid package that includes aid to Israel, Ukraine, competition with the Chinese government and humanitarian aid to Gaza.”

The deep divide between the House and Senate comes as government funding is set to expire on November 17 and the threat of a potential government shutdown looms.

The new House speaker has defended his decision to make Israel aid conditional on IRS spending cuts and signaled he would not support an emergency supplemental package if doesn’t include offsets.

“I did not attach that for political purposes, OK. I attached it because, again, we’re trying to get back to the principle of fiscal responsibility here,” Johnson said at a news conference Thursday. “And that was the easiest and largest pile of money that’s sitting there for us to be able to pay for this immediate obligation.”

Johnson also committed to passing a Ukraine aid package after they deal with Israel, but said it would need to be attached to stricter border security provisions – a move that further throws the prospects of Ukraine funding into doubt in Washington.

“Ukraine will come in short order, it will come next,” Johnson said. “And you’ve heard me say that we want to pair border security with Ukraine … If we’re going to take care of a border in Ukraine, we need to take care of America’s border as well.”

Johnson also reiterated that he believes “we’re going to need another stopgap funding measure” to avoid a government shutdown on November 17, and favors one that lasts until January 15, but said they’re still figuring out exactly what it would look like.

 
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The House passed a bill on Thursday to provide $14.3 billion in aid to Israel as it fights a war against Hamas – a move that sets up a clash with the Democratic-led Senate in an early leadership test for Speaker Mike Johnson.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has called the House GOP bill a “deeply flawed proposal” that the Senate will not take it up. Democrats are objecting to the fact that the bill does not include aid to Ukraine and would enact funding cuts to the Internal Revenue Service. The House vote was 226 to 196. Two Republicans opposed the bill and 12 Democrats supported it.

Democrats have called for aid to Israel to be paired with additional security assistance for Ukraine in its war against Russia. In the Senate, there is bipartisan support for aid to Israel and further aid to Ukraine. But in the House, many Republicans are opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine, putting the two chambers at odds.

In an attempt to offset the cost of the $14.3 billion in Israel aid, the House bill would rescind $14.3 billion in funding for the Internal Revenue Service. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said, however, that the proposal to offset aid to Israel by cutting IRS funding would add to the deficit and result in roughly $26.8 billion in lost revenue over 10 years.

Democrats say aid to Israel should not be conditional upon funding cuts and have seized on the CBO assessment to call the GOP proposal unserious. “The hypocrisy here is that by cutting funding to go after tax cheats, (it) will actually explode the deficit by billions and billions of dollars. What a joke,” Schumer said.

Schumer went on to say that the Senate “will not be considering this deeply flawed proposal from the House GOP. Instead, we will work together on our own bipartisan emergency aid package that includes aid to Israel, Ukraine, competition with the Chinese government and humanitarian aid to Gaza.”

The deep divide between the House and Senate comes as government funding is set to expire on November 17 and the threat of a potential government shutdown looms.

The new House speaker has defended his decision to make Israel aid conditional on IRS spending cuts and signaled he would not support an emergency supplemental package if doesn’t include offsets.

“I did not attach that for political purposes, OK. I attached it because, again, we’re trying to get back to the principle of fiscal responsibility here,” Johnson said at a news conference Thursday. “And that was the easiest and largest pile of money that’s sitting there for us to be able to pay for this immediate obligation.”

Johnson also committed to passing a Ukraine aid package after they deal with Israel, but said it would need to be attached to stricter border security provisions – a move that further throws the prospects of Ukraine funding into doubt in Washington.

“Ukraine will come in short order, it will come next,” Johnson said. “And you’ve heard me say that we want to pair border security with Ukraine … If we’re going to take care of a border in Ukraine, we need to take care of America’s border as well.”

Johnson also reiterated that he believes “we’re going to need another stopgap funding measure” to avoid a government shutdown on November 17, and favors one that lasts until January 15, but said they’re still figuring out exactly what it would look like.

Got a list of those 12 Dems?
 

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The NRA protects Americans.

Funding foreign wars endangers and weakens Americans.
Ya who knows how many of those victims of the 560 mass shootings would have voted democrat ? The NRA helped gov Ron Reagan comprise the most restrictive gun laws in the US. Guess why ?
 

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Ya who knows how many of those victims of the 560 mass shootings would have voted democrat ? The NRA helped gov Ron Reagan comprise the most restrictive gun laws in the US. Guess why ?
Pulling at the heartstrings tactic? Add some analysis or context to those shootings. How many resulted from illegally owned guns? How many are the result of gang violence?

If I were to guess, I'd say most of the victims of the mass shootings were apolitical or would vote democrat, just like the perpetrators of the mass shootings. Why do you ask?

I know you're one of the countless zombies that watches the news which dictates which narrative is important. Just like they tell us the war in Ukraine and the Middle East is our business when it's not.

Sure, give me the 411 on Reagan and gun laws.
 

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Short version: Black people were open carrying, so Reagan and the NRA pushed for stricter gun control.
What does that tell you? Owning guns = power.

The reason why governments and organizations would want to restrict gun ownership is so that citizens relinquish power.

You and dirtydevil take the approach that Reagan/NRA did in the past, except you want to restrict ALL citizens.

We've gone full circle. Congrats on becoming Reagan 2.0
 
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Pulling at the heartstrings tactic? Add some analysis or context to those shootings. How many resulted from illegally owned guns? How many are the result of gang violence?

If I were to guess, I'd say most of the victims of the mass shootings were apolitical or would vote democrat, just like the perpetrators of the mass shootings. Why do you ask?

I know you're one of the countless zombies that watches the news which dictates which narrative is important. Just like they tell us the war in Ukraine and the Middle East is our business when it's not.

Sure, give me the 411 on Reagan and gun laws.
Let me make it so simple even you might understand it

black people exercising rights including 2nd ammendment
White right gets scared
Reagan and NRA enact the strictest gun laws in America in California claiming its necessary for public safety
 
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dirtydaveiii

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Let me make it so simple even you might understand it

black people exercising rights including 2nd ammendment
White right gets scared
Reagan and NRA enact the strictest gun laws in America in California claiming its necessary for public safety
i·ro·ny1
/ˈīrənē/
noun
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
"“Don't go overboard with the gratitude,” he rejoined with heavy irony"
 

dirtydaveiii

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It follows the same lineage as :

Black people smoke weed
Everyone who smokes weed belongs in jail
Some of the strictest weed laws in the world by Republicans
 

dirtyharry555

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Let me make it so simple even you might understand it

black people exercising rights including 2nd ammendment
White right gets scared
Reagan and NRA enact the strictest gun laws in America in California claiming its necessary for public safety
Exactly... which is precisely the point my post addressed.

Long live the 2nd Amendment as it protects all.

Got it, Reagan 2.0?
 

dirtydaveiii

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What does that tell you? Owning guns = power.

The reason why governments and organizations would want to restrict gun ownership is so that citizens relinquish power.

You and dirtydevil take the approach that Reagan/NRA did in the past, except you want to restrict ALL citizens.

We've gone full circle. Congrats on becoming Reagan 2.0
Yes your right restrict ALL citizens not just black people
 

dirtydaveiii

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Nope... citizens must always be a threat against tyranny.

No soup for you, Reagan 2.0
Whatever, moron 2.0

I am thankful to live in a free country that is politically stable. I despise little turds like you who scream at our amazing government because you don't like his hair style. I am very thankful to have justin Trudeau as a leader and not Kim Jon un, putin, MBS or the Talliban. I am thankful to live in a country with free health care, no threat of war, good public transit, great roads, great school system etc etc. I am thankful that this country is so amazing that assholes like you can sit back and criticize our country which is the best in the world, free of government attention.
 
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