Hospitals Now can send your loved ones to LTC homes without consent up to 300km away

luvdog

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What does any of that have to do with hospital “abuse”?

and again, other then family being able to travel to their loved one, what reason is there to keep people in hospital when beds further away are available?
I may as well just ask you directly instead. Some can start but not finish. I don’t think you are like that.
Well, for one thing, Nurses are not always so kind.
Some of them were very abuse towards the patients they care about.
This varies of course, person to person, I have met some nice ones too.
If it wasn't for a family member visiting, I wouldn't have known about that.
Abuse is not always physical.

Hospitals also have a tendency to withhold information.
The covid situation has made it easier not to answer questions.
We had to keep pressing them until we got answers, which lasted a little over a week.
It was very stressful.


The hospital decided they weren't mobile, and even though we wanted them home,
they made that call.

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luvdog

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One thing that people aren't asking, is how long someone should stay in a hospital before they head to LTC?

If they stay longer than two to three months, then moving them to LTC is better.

Hospitals aren't nice places, and do more damage than heal sometimes.
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toguy5252

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Well then were is the inequity. Isn't it a good thing if based upon the best available medical opinion someone who does not need a hospital bed is sent somewhere to get more effective care?

I am just not understanding what is horrible about that.
 
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danmand

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There is a reason patients are sent home the day after surgery. Hospitals are full of very sick people, not a good place to stay.
 

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Well, for one thing, Nurses are not always so kind.
Some of them were very abuse towards the patients they care about.
This varies of course, person to person, I have met some nice ones too.
If it wasn't for a family member visiting, I wouldn't have known about that.
Abuse is not always physical.

Hospitals also have a tendency to withhold information.
The covid situation has made it easier not to answer questions.
We had to keep pressing them until we got answers, which lasted a little over a week.
It was very stressful.


The hospital decided they weren't mobile, and even though we wanted them home,
they made that call.

LD
You are not explaining how hosptial abuse is the CAUSE of this and if that stopped, then this wouldn’t be an issue because that is what your post basically said. So what hospital abuse are you talking about creates this kind of problem.

and again, how do you say it should be addressed. If the hospitals can’t hold them and there are beds available but far away, what do you say they should do instead.
 

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Ontario’s long term care homes are facing even greater staffing pressures than our hospitals as a result of Bill124 .Bill 7 will create even more pressure and they have no relief valve…
Really? So then what is your idea to stop this from happening to poor innocent people all while making sure hospitals are not over run with LTC patients that should be in homes not the hospital? How do you say it should be handle?
 

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These are difficult times. Would anyone occupy a hospital bed when they could move to a LTC home (even though it might be a bit further away from relatives and friends) and let someone suffering from cancer and/or heart problems die? That sounds really selfish.

BTW: I really dislike those hospital patients who have a 100 relatives and/or friends visiting them 24/7. Firstly, they bring potential viruses from the outside in with them and disturb other patients who might be sharing the same room.
What about those who crowd emergency care because of cold, slight fever or migraine? I've seen people come in with back pain...unless it's really an emergency as the triage will find out. why not go to a walk in clinic...most will send you to do tests anyways like xray, ultrasound etc etc...I remember a lady walked in she looked agitated...on the triage, she told the nurse she felt a lump on her breast, nurse told her that is not an emergency...she needed to see her doctor and probably will do tests and biopsy...I felt bad as I had a cut above my eye and I felt like, she has way worse happening to her than me...but at the same time, what the nurse said made sense...emergencies don't treat those, they do treat, cuts, broken limbs and any other situations that needed immediate medical attention...
 

six_pac

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How did we vote Ford back in??? Way to go Ontario. Hopefully, in 4 years, this will change before my Mom get's into LTC. Vote NDP.
Fuck NDP and the Liberals, that is how this pig got in, reality of the matter is that our politicl system is broken and there is no good ootion to vote for, and this is becoming painfully obvious day by day.

Cons are destroying our education and helthcare.

Liberals are stealing taxpayers money before our very eyes, not even trying to hide ot, while at the same time destroying unions, while talking about labour reforms.

NDP has lost all its credibility, after abandoning their voters base and pretty much giving their votes to the Liberals.

Lastly they all move in the same social circles and cooperate within and ojtside politics, while presenting the public with a facade of democracy.
 

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There is a reason patients are sent home the day after surgery. Hospitals are full of very sick people, not a good place to stay.

Hospitals are mostly empty, theu send patients home due to the lack of Nursing staff to take care of them, the staffing issues have been going on for years
 

luvdog

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You are not explaining how hosptial abuse is the CAUSE of this and if that stopped, then this wouldn’t be an issue because that is what your post basically said.

how do you say it should be addressed. If the hospitals can’t hold them and there are beds available but far away, what do you say they should do instead.
I did explain it. In the way hospital withholds information and handles patients.

All the complaints in this thread have been about patients being in a hospital bed too long.
The policy of the hospital, is to hold patients if they deem them a risk to their safety and health.
They do this to protect THEMSELVES from a lawsuit, not just for the benefit of the patient.

All people recover differently.

As for LTC, the govt. needs to put some money into building a specialized facility for intermediate patients, not a hospital, like a temporary holding place.
At least one that acts as a buffer before a LTC area is designated.

How would you address it?

LD



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danmand

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Hospitals are mostly empty, theu send patients home due to the lack of Nursing staff to take care of them, the staffing issues have been going on for years
Empty or full. You should not be in hospital longer than absolutely necessary for urgent treatment.
 

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Another problem are our courts. I read a story about a patient who was clinically a vegetable and only kept "alive" by machines. The family wouldn't allow the hospital to pull the plug and took the matter to court. Of course, our liberal courts ordered the hospital to keep him "alive" at a cost of over $1mm annually, probably a lot more than $1mm in 2022 dollars.
 

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Empty or full. You should not be in hospital longer than absolutely necessary for urgent treatment.
Also FYI asshole, Hospitals are meant for treatment and recovery, and no one goes to one for pleasure.
 

toguy5252

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Hospitals are mostly empty, theu send patients home due to the lack of Nursing staff to take care of them, the staffing issues have been going on for years
have you ever actually been in a hospital recently? there are patients on gurneys in the halls because they are short of rooms.
 
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