Hospitals Now can send your loved ones to LTC homes without consent up to 300km away
- Thread starter Claudia Love
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How did we vote Ford back in??? Way to go Ontario. Hopefully, in 4 years, this will change before my Mom get's into LTC. Vote NDP.
It seems somewhat unfair but hopefully it will help the overcrowding problem in hospitals. Apparently there are 2K people taking up hospital beds while they wait for a bed in a long term care facility. Sending them farther away than they would normally agree to go may be a reasonable societal price to pay if it means someone waiting for cancer treatment or other life saving health care gets treated sooner.
These are difficult times. Would anyone occupy a hospital bed when they could move to a LTC home (even though it might be a bit further away from relatives and friends) and let someone suffering from cancer and/or heart problems die? That sounds really selfish.
BTW: I really dislike those hospital patients who have a 100 relatives and/or friends visiting them 24/7. Firstly, they bring potential viruses from the outside in with them and disturb other patients who might be sharing the same room.
Agreed. We're in difficult times. This seems very reasonable.
Sorry, you don’t have a right to take up a hospital bed just because your preferred LTC home doesn’t have any openings.
Do you want to be cared for? If your “loved ones” can’t do it or pay for something closest, what do you want the government to do?
Like seriously, do you think these things through? You are getting free care but you want to dictate where, when and how?
Does it suck? Sure but you are not entitled to decided this shit when it is free and if you want the choice, then earn the money and take care of your loved one yourself.
Talk about Champagne dreams with beer price budgets
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Actually, I'm all in favour of it.
This is all about abuse of the system and it has to end and its about time. The bullshit propaganda from the NDP is so wrong, it isn't funny.
You've got thousands of people LIVING at hospitals. Most if not all are punking the system. They aren't sick, they aren't receiving treatment, they are taking up a bed in a hospital like its an apartment in an old age home. Most like it because they've got people there to wait on them hand and foot. Believe it or not, they have all been offered a place in one old age home or another, but they will just refuse to go. Maybe they like the attention they get in the hospital or they will say they want one particular home (for whatever reason) and their families have abandoned them, whatever. This bill simply says, "ok, you're on the waiting list for your preferred home, but in the meantime you're going to go to this home while you wait where there is space available, you're not going to be allowed any more to live in a hospital"
Hospital beds are needed for sick people who are receiving medical treatment, to reduce people in emergency waiting in the hallways, not for choosey long term care people who need a government assisted home but will only want to go to one or two particular homes (or prefer to stay in the hospital period)
We need our government to make the tough choices. That's why we elected them.
There is nothing unreasonable in this legislation.
This is all about abuse of the system and it has to end and its about time. The bullshit propaganda from the NDP is so wrong, it isn't funny.
You've got thousands of people LIVING at hospitals. Most if not all are punking the system. They aren't sick, they aren't receiving treatment, they are taking up a bed in a hospital like its an apartment in an old age home. Most like it because they've got people there to wait on them hand and foot. Believe it or not, they have all been offered a place in one old age home or another, but they will just refuse to go. Maybe they like the attention they get in the hospital or they will say they want one particular home (for whatever reason) and their families have abandoned them, whatever. This bill simply says, "ok, you're on the waiting list for your preferred home, but in the meantime you're going to go to this home while you wait where there is space available, you're not going to be allowed any more to live in a hospital"
Hospital beds are needed for sick people who are receiving medical treatment, to reduce people in emergency waiting in the hallways, not for choosey long term care people who need a government assisted home but will only want to go to one or two particular homes (or prefer to stay in the hospital period)
We need our government to make the tough choices. That's why we elected them.
There is nothing unreasonable in this legislation.
I really hate this.
It is bad enough when someone is suffering and can't help themselves.
They want to ship them to a LTC facility far away without consenting the family.
There are many people who have loved ones, are working full time and taking care of children.
They are the only ones really watching out for their sick, and struggle to see them regularly.
The hospitals have too much power already, as they can call "COVID", and make excuses to keep people there.
This is just another tool that I see will be abused.
LD
It is bad enough when someone is suffering and can't help themselves.
They want to ship them to a LTC facility far away without consenting the family.
There are many people who have loved ones, are working full time and taking care of children.
They are the only ones really watching out for their sick, and struggle to see them regularly.
The hospitals have too much power already, as they can call "COVID", and make excuses to keep people there.
This is just another tool that I see will be abused.
LD
I slept on a couch for eons while my sick loved one stayed at my place so I could care for them. You do what you have to.
How is this hospital abuse? They need to be out of the hospitals. Period. You don’t live at a hospital. If there are no beds available at LTC home close, you think that person should stay in a hospital bed over a palliative cancer care patient?
For those against this, here is the situation, what would you do? @Miami Electra since you are one. Riddle me this?
There are 1000 LTC beds in the GTA (I don’t know if that is the number, I just making them up for example) There are 3000 bed in different parts throughout northern Ontario.
You have 2000 people waiting for beds in GTA hospitals. Hospitals that are short staffed and are lacking beds for all types of patient care.
Why do you think those 2000 people should be allowed to stay in those hospitals instead of being moved to available open beds? Simply because they are too far for family members to drive for visits? Is that really the only reason? How would you fix the problem to that everyone gets proper care?
There are 1000 LTC beds in the GTA (I don’t know if that is the number, I just making them up for example) There are 3000 bed in different parts throughout northern Ontario.
You have 2000 people waiting for beds in GTA hospitals. Hospitals that are short staffed and are lacking beds for all types of patient care.
Why do you think those 2000 people should be allowed to stay in those hospitals instead of being moved to available open beds? Simply because they are too far for family members to drive for visits? Is that really the only reason? How would you fix the problem to that everyone gets proper care?
Ive been talking to my sons if I ever get cancer back and become very sick ,my fear is being in a hospital and they can ship you to a LTC home if your seriously ill. I rather be with my family.If any of you can care for your parents or grandparents you wont have to be worried about them sitting in soiled diapers all day cockroaches mold inhumanly conditions it has not improved.
I assume that price is the actual cost or intended to be a deterrent or both.
Well, in my experience, they did not get better and they died in the hospital.
They were planning on sending them to LTC.
We weren't in the position to offer them the type of care they needed, the special equipment, medicine and skilled treatments.
That is not to say we didn't try.
There is a lot that goes into helping a patient that regular people can't do,
which is why they are professionals.
While you can say some patients overstay their time,
you don't take into account that some patients don't always survive.
That is something one can't prepare for, or predict.
LD
What does any of that have to do with hospital “abuse”?
And I know what goes into caring for others. I know about getting equipment, meds, etc and all that stuff. I admit not all are able But there are tons of people taking up hospitals beds that don’t need too. How is that the hospitals fault?
and again, other then family being able to travel to their loved one, what reason is there to keep people in hospital when beds further away are available?
Clearly @Miami Electra is going to ignore me and piggy back off you so I may as well just ask you directly instead. Some can start but not finish. I don’t think you are like that.
Ontario’s long term care homes are facing even greater staffing pressures than our hospitals as a result of Bill124 .Bill 7 will create even more pressure and they have no relief valve…
