Yes, they do... and it can really enhance the experience. The games will actually shift the sound field as you move around rooms etc (versus a fixed perspective) and when done well can be very immersive.
Home Theatre System Question
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tit for tat my friend, tit for tat.....Keep twisting
It is also a personal choice to remain arrogant. Funny, how you have to justify your opinion based on other's agreeing or disagreeing with you.
As for giving advice, I give mine based on my experience in sound engineering, mixing, and concert production. As for your "credentials", your post here is worth about the same as a pinch of raccoon shit. You get paid to listen to music, I get paid to build home theatre rooms and install systems. BFD. I set up and design rooms to please my customers and I have yet to have an unhappy customer.
As for the neutral sound rooms, that is from YOUR link my friend. Maybe you should read more of your own stuff.
As for me being CLiff Claven, RIGHT. Nice try, how about you acting your age not your show size? But what can one expect from an arrogant "tard......as I said before: I have come across literally HUNDREDS of 'tards such as yourself saying: no you're wrong, you MUST listen to music the way I say you should. How DARE you even THINK about listening to it any other way?
If a customer comes to me and says: make my room noisy as hell with all kinds of hard surfaces, I do it. If that is what THEY like? More power to them. If they want a nice quiet room with little or no room influence? I'll do that for them too. If they want to purchase and install a $200.00 HTIB? I'll install it and make it sound as good as possible. If they have a $10,000.00 system? I'll do the same.
Sorry, I NEVER say to ANYONE this is what you MUST do as I say, (except where building codes and safety come into play), only arrogant 'tards do that.
Just in case you don't remember this lesson from your childhood: if 500 kids jump off a bridge, does that mean YOU should too? ie: just because you "say" you have all this documentation as to how a room should sound, doesn't mean everyone has to like it THAT way.
The beauty about living in a free country? People have the freedom to make their own decisions and like what they like.........
tboy, time to get real. You have no credentials or training in the field. As for public opinion, when others are also saying you are ignorant, it may be time to wake up and smell the coffee.
As the saying goes: "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
Then again, I think Voltaire summed you up best: “He must be very ignorant for he answers every question he is asked”
Post post post tboy... though maybe you should post less. Read a little. Stop the name calling. "Retard" is, well kinda 70s... and while ridiculing the mentally disabled may have been fun for you back in the day, it is time for you to join us all in more enlightened times (hint, racial epithets and homophobia are also out). Name calling says more about where your head is at than anything... and simply reinforces your inability to argue on substantive grounds.
Hey tboy, Garrett is right again.
I'm only going to harp on a couple of errors.
First, a neutral room is not a dead room, its a room that has good frequency response, in that there are no big humps in the SIM, or big resonances. Also, the reflections will be balanced through all parts of the room, and probably won't be too reflective.
Second, noise in the room is not related to reflective surfaces. Those are two separate issues, noise in the room refers to background noise, ie HVAC, buzzing lights, street traffic, noise from outside the room etc. Reflectiver surfaces control the amount of short echoes that added together create the reverb of the room. Most DAW's (digital audio workstations) have modeled or impulse response type reverbs of actual rooms, as well as algorithmic reverbs. If you play around with them you can really understand the difference between dead and live, good and bad ambiences. Give it a try. All us 'tards love it.
I'm only going to harp on a couple of errors.
First, a neutral room is not a dead room, its a room that has good frequency response, in that there are no big humps in the SIM, or big resonances. Also, the reflections will be balanced through all parts of the room, and probably won't be too reflective.
Second, noise in the room is not related to reflective surfaces. Those are two separate issues, noise in the room refers to background noise, ie HVAC, buzzing lights, street traffic, noise from outside the room etc. Reflectiver surfaces control the amount of short echoes that added together create the reverb of the room. Most DAW's (digital audio workstations) have modeled or impulse response type reverbs of actual rooms, as well as algorithmic reverbs. If you play around with them you can really understand the difference between dead and live, good and bad ambiences. Give it a try. All us 'tards love it.
Getting back to the main question. My experience with 5.1 and broadcast has been that I get my HD signal over the air from an antenna and the quality of sound from NBC is great in 5.1. It is not with every program but most primetime programs are great in their sound production. The sound from NBC olypmic coverage of the opening ceremonies was great in 5.1 while CTV's was not great in stereo. Can't say about cable but you get 5.1 with OTA pickup but not with every show. I have found NBC really pays attention to their sound quality.
I actually unsubscribed from this thread but made the mistake of coming back...this'll teach me:
I refer to a dead room as one with no real influence on the quality of sound being produced. ie: colouring it, reflecting it, etc.
I refer to noise as the sounds created when the reproduced sound hits the various objects. ie: tables rattling, light fixtures tinkling, drywall vibrating and bouncing the various signals off the various surfaces (ie: echos from the backwall etc)......
See, the thing about reflected sound waves (ie: echo) is that if a musician wanted his notes to echo, he would have put them in during production.
I refer to a dead room as one with no real influence on the quality of sound being produced. ie: colouring it, reflecting it, etc.
I refer to noise as the sounds created when the reproduced sound hits the various objects. ie: tables rattling, light fixtures tinkling, drywall vibrating and bouncing the various signals off the various surfaces (ie: echos from the backwall etc)......
See, the thing about reflected sound waves (ie: echo) is that if a musician wanted his notes to echo, he would have put them in during production.
not again, sigh.
Ok, your dead room definition is close enough to mine now, that I'll take it.
But your definition of noise is quite wrong. You've described two phenomena, sympathetic resonance - where the frequency produced by the music, live or recorded, and the item vibrated share the same frequency. So a pitch at 100hz might cause a snare drum to rattle, while a pitch at 30hz might cause the drywall to rattle. And the second phenomena is echo or reflection or reverb (though those are slightly different they all are similar) where the sound bounces off a reflective surface. If its one bounce it sounds like echo if its lots of bounces it sounds more like reverb. Neither of those are called noise by musicians, producers or engineers.
As for recording, if a musician wants reverb on a recording he has two choices. One, record in a room with the ambience or reverb he likes, like a church or two add in production, where he can add reverb or delay in the mix. But talk to say, Talisker about whether they like room with what you call noise and they'll say no, but ask if they like a dead room or a live room and they'll tell you they like the church they play in for its live, very rich reverb.
Ok, your dead room definition is close enough to mine now, that I'll take it.
But your definition of noise is quite wrong. You've described two phenomena, sympathetic resonance - where the frequency produced by the music, live or recorded, and the item vibrated share the same frequency. So a pitch at 100hz might cause a snare drum to rattle, while a pitch at 30hz might cause the drywall to rattle. And the second phenomena is echo or reflection or reverb (though those are slightly different they all are similar) where the sound bounces off a reflective surface. If its one bounce it sounds like echo if its lots of bounces it sounds more like reverb. Neither of those are called noise by musicians, producers or engineers.
As for recording, if a musician wants reverb on a recording he has two choices. One, record in a room with the ambience or reverb he likes, like a church or two add in production, where he can add reverb or delay in the mix. But talk to say, Talisker about whether they like room with what you call noise and they'll say no, but ask if they like a dead room or a live room and they'll tell you they like the church they play in for its live, very rich reverb.
1) THD is total harmonic distortion which is measured at the amplifier stage. Zero THD is not desirable or 'good' sounding.
2) Dead room sounds to me like you are describing an Anechoic Chamber which is great for measuring speakers, but horrific to listening to music.
3) This tread has confused 3 different discussions with many different concepts a) 2 channel music, b) live music c) multichannel music
4) Great listening rooms combine an engineered solution that takes into account for room size, diffusion, absorption and reflection.. please read this before we go any further.. http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
5) A great source of audio and video information and Q&A is http://www.avsforum.com/
Whether you have a $200 HTIB or $200K audiophile system and room, grab your favourite drink and sit down and enjoy the beauty of music cause that is priceless.
2) Dead room sounds to me like you are describing an Anechoic Chamber which is great for measuring speakers, but horrific to listening to music.
3) This tread has confused 3 different discussions with many different concepts a) 2 channel music, b) live music c) multichannel music
4) Great listening rooms combine an engineered solution that takes into account for room size, diffusion, absorption and reflection.. please read this before we go any further.. http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
5) A great source of audio and video information and Q&A is http://www.avsforum.com/
Whether you have a $200 HTIB or $200K audiophile system and room, grab your favourite drink and sit down and enjoy the beauty of music cause that is priceless.
