Home Lives of Sex Workers in Canada photoproject

[sexghoul]

Do you actually believe that every SW makes that kind of money? Some make more and many make far less. And while Dawn may claim to make this and that it's "easy" - she doesn't speak for anybody but herself. Some members on TERB have mentioned being assaulted on the job. Does that sound "easy"? So even though you're an obvious fan of hers, it doesn't mean that her assumptions apply across an industry that is far larger than what you see on the pages of TERB.

I'm not saying everyone. Like any job, those that choose to hustle..the skies the limit. Guys have always been willing to pay for pussy. Doesn't sound all that hard. Yes their are dangers but screening processes should help.
I've seen indies where I was one of multiple appointments scheduled on the same day. Doesn't mean they see five a day every day but average it out. If they're smart with their cash their laughing. Those that piss it away are no different than athletes that make a ton of dough but have no plan for retirement.

Yes I do like Dawn. I've fucked her a few times and we had a great time. Anyway I digress. I don't always agree with everything she says. For example her opinions on Janeway's brand haven't detracted me from wanting to experience Filthy Fucking Luxury! Yes I took a look at the Facebook page Dawn referred me to. Yes I read some of the comments but being a guy I was just looking at Jane and fantasizing about having an incredible fucking time swapping spit with her.

 

[sexghoul]

I find that the older I get (48, very soon to be 49) the more I realize that I don't know everything! There's a great saying that opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. I think that applies here quite nicely.

I think that's always been the case. Let's rewind the clock to the early 90's. Back then their was no Internet. My sources of information were Now and Eye Magazine (remember that?) It was such a simple time. All I had to go on were ads and if we were lucky pictures as well. Can't tell you how many times I'd arrange to see an escort only to find out the woman answering the door wasn't who she appeared to be. In one case an escort described herself as a Brigitte Nielsen clone. When I met her she looked nothing like her. I didn't have places like this forum where I could warn people on who to avoid or recommend. Yes their were some BBS systems but you had to be technically savvy to connect to those.
Now we have Twitter. I love Twitter. Online their is nowhere to hide.

 

[sexghoul]

Charlotte wrote: " It's not sustainable for everyone to be able to physically/mentally/emotionally do this job every day if they only care about money and seeing as many clients as possible. Something has to give and no one can be perfect operating that way you either burn out, lose clients, lose yourself etc."

I love your thoughtful response. Of course my statements were based on very high level with some simple mathematics. Everything you wrote makes perfect sense but the last two sentences resonated with me. I've seen SW's on Twitter basically apologize to their followers for regularly being sick (physically and mentally).
I'll be honest Charlotte. I've had some really amazing encounters with SW's and I've been left completely spent and I agree with you that exerting so much energy multiple times per day is simply not sustainable.

 

[JANE WAY]

Thank you for your stellar introduction, Dawn. Kind words from a kind person. I appreciate how intensely you follow my career in the spirit of debating ideas.

Since I’m the “SJW” type apparently, I think that it might be obvious that I agree that this project lacks diversity. I’ve spoken with Natalie about this, and she plans to rememdy that. I hope she follows through on that. The project isn’t finished, there’s lots of work for Natalie to do still. Also worth noting that VICE hand picked the most comsumable sexworker look to feature in the article. There are folks involved in the project that weren’t chosen. The article itself isn’t an accurate representation of the sexworkers involved, and I hope that as the project grows towards completeion, that it will encompass a wide range of providers Canada-wide.

 

[Smallcock]

Smoking in doors is not uncommon. Fairly normal amongst myself and other smoker friends.

Nasty...

 

[JANE WAY]

I'm not saying everyone. Like any job, those that choose to hustle..the skies the limit. Guys have always been willing to pay for pussy. Doesn't sound all that hard. Yes their are dangers but screening processes should help.
I've seen indies where I was one of multiple appointments scheduled on the same day. Doesn't mean they see five a day every day but average it out. If they're smart with their cash their laughing. Those that piss it away are no different than athletes that make a ton of dough but have no plan for retirement.

Yes I do like Dawn. I've fucked her a few times and we had a great time. Anyway I digress. I don't always agree with everything she says. For example her opinions on Janeway's brand haven't detracted me from wanting to experience Filthy Fucking Luxury! Yes I took a look at the Facebook page Dawn referred me to. Yes I read some of the comments but being a guy I was just looking at Jane and fantasizing about having an incredible fucking time swapping spit with her.

I’m glad to hear that! I’ve got spit to swap, let’s get filthy.

 

[Jasmina]

That was closer to my point, I don't see myself or my sex worker friends in any way represented and that is really unfortunate. The truth is not all sex workers are models or live in fancy homes, hell, most of the majority of sex workers live in a hotel 90% of the time. I get that the point of the project is to bite stigma in the ass but not at the expense of also negating reality.

I *think* the idea was to show people that sexworkers are regular people, like you and me. And frankcastle is right, the majority of the population is pretty clueless when it comes to sexworkers.

She's not finished yet, but I imagine the final product will be more diverse. Or not. This is her project, and if you're not funding it, why does she have to mould it to your standards?

I also imagine that if she showcased 1,000 different sexworkers, the usual trolls would stand up and scream that type "1,001" wasn't shown and how horribly biased this whole project is.

You can't please everyone, and it's pointless to try.

 

[Jasmina]

Glad to hear it, maybe you could suggest that she take to twitter to broaden the search instead of going through friends of friends of friends? A simple "canadian companions" search will bring up a wide variety of companions.

Thank you for your stellar introduction, Dawn. Kind words from a kind person. I appreciate how intensely you follow my career in the spirit of debating ideas.

Since I’m the “SJW” type apparently, I think that it might be obvious that I agree that this project lacks diversity. I’ve spoken with Natalie about this, and she plans to rememdy that. I hope she follows through on that. The project isn’t finished, there’s lots of work for Natalie to do still. Also worth noting that VICE hand picked the most comsumable sexworker look to feature in the article. There are folks involved in the project that weren’t chosen. The article itself isn’t an accurate representation of the sexworkers involved, and I hope that as the project grows towards completeion, that it will encompass a wide range of providers Canada-wide.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

It seems the one main issue that keeps flying over people's head - 95% of sex workers do not want to known publicly.

There is nothing the artist of this project can do when she wants to shoot different subjects and yet those subjects are not present due to their choice.

However I never thought a simple project like this would gather such hate-filled comments from all sides. This poor women can't win no matter what she does. People are going to bitch.

So to those who did the project, enjoyed the project, will be following the project and helping and doing what you can - great job! Keep it up.

To those making suggestions or engaging in healthy dialog, congrats. You are doing what I assume those in this project wanted. To discuss the normalcy of women who use this industry as a profession.

To the rest bitching and moaning for no other reason then to hear themselves talk, put up or shut up. Preferably shut up. No one needs your entitled opinions anyway.

 

[texasjones]

So even though you're an obvious fan of hers....

Always interesting to see who the fans end up being.... In my observation, it is usually those who are seeking to affirm their own negative thoughts about SWers (make too much, screen too much, speak too much) through the comments someone else makes.

 

[essguy_]

regardless of whether you make a "lot" of money or a "little", the point is sex work is an avenue of income available to basically anyone with a pussy. if you're not making enough money to support yourself as a sex worker, that's not because you are "marginalized" or a "victim" of some sort and everyone needs to feel sorry for you. if you can't get enough guys to want to pay you to fuck you, that's not the fault of some systemic problem.

Well Dawn, I not sure that it was your intent to hold yourself up as proof of the "anyone with a pussy" assumption, but I'm sure that "sexghoul" will log on shortly to extol your virtues. What you (and sexghoul) fail to acknowledge is that sexwork still exists in a legal grey area. It's legal to be a prostitute, but it's illegal to be a John. How is that Catch-22 NOT a systemic problem? Even advertising your own services has certain limitations. Eg: What happened to BP in the States could happen here - our laws would allow the Govt/police to go after websites and publications that have multiple ads for sex services. Even this board could be a target. THAT is the systemic problem. Further, the laws have NOT been relaxed since the Liberals took power and could change for the worse if they are defeated in a year and a half by the bible thumpers. Your entire point depends upon ignoring this. It's like saying anybody can make a lot of money growing pot - just get a few dozen plants and some lights for your basement - it's easy to throw off a line like that and simply ignore the legal hurdles that stand in the way.

 

[essguy_]

how is it being illegal for a client to buy sex in anyway victimizing sex workers ourselves? if anything it COMPLETELY protects us. that being said, i'm not ignorant of the reality in other countries where sex work is illegal or the fact that there is stigma around sex work. however, none of that means sex work is "hard work" or that it takes a lot of merit or effort.

aside from all of this, i also don't understand the constant push by sex workers and other people to insist that sex work is hard work as a way to legitimize it or something. like just because something comes easily to someone doesn't make it less valuable. even though sex work comes naturally to me, i recognize its value to my clients because of the intrinsic uniqueness of my persona, my looks, and my companionship. but i'm also honest enough to recognize that it doesn't take a lot of effort on my part, ESPECIALLY thanks to its legal status in canada.

Dawn - you need to realize that just because YOU find it easy have sex with strangers for money, others may not. To some it's work, even HARD work. I fail to see what you're trying to achieve with your criticisms here other than blatant self-promotion. If you acknowledge that your unprecedented and immense success in this industry is because of the "intrinsic uniqueness of my persona, blah, blah, blah" then you are basically admitting that you are a unique outlier. Maybe it's best if you stick to the actual advertising section.

 

[Jasmina]

I wonder if internalised misogyny is a thing.

if you think it's hard to have sex with strangers for money, then maybe look for a job that isn't so distasteful to you? how is that a problem of unfairness?

the reality is that people are lazy and they think sex work is an easy way to make money, and when they find it's not always sunshine and roses if you're not built for it, they complain that it's unfair.

 

[essguy_]

if you think it's hard to have sex with strangers for money, then maybe look for a job that isn't so distasteful to you? how is that a problem of unfairness?

the reality is that people are lazy and they think sex work is an easy way to make money, and when they find it's not always sunshine and roses if you're not built for it, they complain that it's unfair.

"Unfairness"? How did that pop up? I was clearly talking about the systemic legal issues which might prevent others from sharing your "this is easy, everybody could do it" mindset. You continue to ignore the fact that the SW industry still operates in the shadow of ambiguous and confusing laws. I'm pretty certain that these laws prevent participation both on the SW and the client side. Unless I'm wrong - this project was NOT meant to say how hard or unfair the industry is. It was to show ordinary people working as SW's. In other words if ordinary or people you would never guess work as SW are working as SW's - then perhaps our laws should be relaxed to allow the industry to emerge from the shadows. "They're just like you", right there in the headline So again, I ask why you took such a negative view of the project other than as an excuse to promote yourself?

 

[Smallcock]

Let’s just be happy with ourselves, not care about what others are doing.... live our own lives and move on. Why add negativity in someone’s life ?

Where do you see negativity in this thread?

 

[frankcastle]

It seems dawn equates marginalized and victimized with not be able to make ends meet.

I dont think anyone has claimed that.

To me marginalized means.... unable to talk about your job, fearing reports of bad johns, not being talen seriously by law enforcement, being looked down upon, having trouble getting loans, trouble financing a car, difficulty proving employment status, troublr crossing the border etc.

Victimization.... being targets for pimps, bad johns, crooked cops, abusive boyfriends etc.

 

[frankcastle]

i literally answered that question multiple times throughout this thread. sorry if it's not the answer you want lol.

the fact that sex work is an easy job isn't related to the photo project. the conversation in the thread progressed, and i was talking generally about the constant rhetoric among sex workers to make sure everyone knows how difficult this job is, when objectively, it's not harder than other jobs, and is in fact much easier than basically all other jobs.

you're talking about a "systemic legal issue" as if it's a problem that somehow makes sex work a "hard job", thereby insinuating it's unfair. but a) those laws apply equally to every sex worker, and b) they don't prevent anyone from selling sex. how does the fact that it's not illegal to sell sex prevent participation on the SW side? so yeah, fail to see the point of your posts beyond your usual desire to pontificate endlessly on these forums on an hourly basis.

if the point of the project is to show how "ordinary" people work as sex workers, they could have made more of an effort to include "ordinary" people. but other than that criticism, i said i liked the intention of the project and i'm sure it can be something interesting to people in the future once it expands.

Anyone studying stats knows that a project thst involves getting volunteers will result in a skewed sample.

 

[frankcastle]

if you think it's hard to have sex with strangers for money, then maybe look for a job that isn't so distasteful to you? how is that a problem of unfairness?

the reality is that people are lazy and they think sex work is an easy way to make money, and when they find it's not always sunshine and roses if you're not built for it, they complain that it's unfair.

Is it easy or hard seems like you are saying its both.

If you say both then i would agree. It is not for everyone.

 

[frankcastle]

Dawn - you need to realize that just because YOU find it easy have sex with strangers for money, others may not. To some it's work, even HARD work. I fail to see what you're trying to achieve with your criticisms here other than blatant self-promotion. If you acknowledge that your unprecedented and immense success in this industry is because of the "intrinsic uniqueness of my persona, blah, blah, blah" then you are basically admitting that you are a unique outlier. Maybe it's best if you stick to the actual advertising section.

Absolutely agree. Her posts are blatant self promotion

 

[Smallcock]

Absolutely agree. Her posts are blatant self promotion.

She is like the donald trump of sp. She spouts off opinions like sex work is no more dangerous than civie women. She is making statements to cater to a certain type of client.

Seems like theres more than one busy sp here with time to write lots of posts.

She didn't say that SW is no more dangerous than civie women. She raised the point in passing that it's possible that it isn't. I don't think she's catering to anyone, to be honest. If she was interested strictly in self-promotion, she would take the easy route, and simply tell guys like you what you want to hear rather than engage in debate. In other words, she would do what 99.9% of SPs do on the boards (which is also fine). She has a gift for cutting thru bullshit and seems to enjoy voicing her opinion.

Someone with her intellect and ambition has a high probability of success in this life. If she becomes a lawyer, you'd better hope she's the one representing you.