Holmolka Alive And Well Living in Quebec

[frankcastle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Instead of going off an a rant involving a lot of foul language I chose to wait to post on this comment.

Well the interm hasn't made it any stupider. I'll give you that.

I'm just truly appalled that you can know the heinous crimes she committed and still believe she is entitled to be left alone.

I don't. She is a monster. There was no rehabilitation with this one.

This is what i am talking about when i said appeal to emotions


Emotional? Your damn right I'm emotional about this one. Any decect human being with an ounce of empathy would be as well. That you aren't speaks volumes about your character. Don't like this. Too bad. Emotional is exactly how someone should feel.

As for changing the system. The Present gov't is in the midst of dismantling what few changes to tighten things up were made. What needs to be fixed is the assessment of certain criminals who are sociopaths. We need to find a way to truly identify them via some scientific method. Then we can either cure them or lock them away forever.

Cripes I still can't believe the comment about emotions. It is her inability to feel them that resulted in her capability to drug, rape and kill her own Sister and three others. I am thankful to have them.

Those that don't end up like Paul and Karla.

I think you missed my point about emotions. Yes i feel them and yes there are times i think monsters should be put to horrible deaths. But that angry place is not where i make my best decisions.

What do you want? It is not your place to decide if further punishments should be laid out.

No good will come from vigilante fantasies.

Sorry my phone stuck the link to the top. The link explains what an appeal to emotion is.

Doesnt matter what the crime is. If you do the time then you should be left alone.

How do you know she can't be rehabilitated? Do you really think prison rehab people? Psychology is a weak science at best. And essentially you are sayingwe should lock up the mentally ill. There is a difference between a sociopath and a criminal sociopath. I am sure there many mentally ill people who never commit a crime.

 

[frankcastle]

Keep in mind there are people who think johns are disgusting. So if a group decided to post photos of you leaving a massage parlour is that okay?

I am sickened at the thought of muzzo being free in three years. But when he gets out i think he too should be left alone. Same goes for the maple leaf gardens abuser. Once you serve your time you should be allowed to move on.

 

[SchlongConery]

Frank castle's link of the logical fallacy of "appeal to emotion" is very appropriate in this discussion. For those who don't want to click and read the whole thing...

Appeal to emotion or "argumentum ad passiones" is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

Appeals to emotion are intended to draw visceral feelings from the acquirer of the information. And in turn, the acquirer of the information is intended to be convinced that the statements that were presented in the fallacious argument are true; solely on the basis that the statements may induce emotional stimulation such as fear, pity and joy."

 

[frankcastle]

Frank castle's link of the logical fallacy of "appeal to emotion" is very appropriate in this discussion. For those who don't want to click and read the whole thing...

Appeal to emotion or "argumentum ad passiones" is a logical fallacy characterized by the manipulation of the recipient's emotions in order to win an argument, especially in the absence of factual evidence.

Appeals to emotion are intended to draw visceral feelings from the acquirer of the information. And in turn, the acquirer of the information is intended to be convinced that the statements that were presented in the fallacious argument are true; solely on the basis that the statements may induce emotional stimulation such as fear, pity and joy."

Thanks for clicking. The second you start calling a person a monster or describing their acts as heinous. You are trying to influence us.

And it goes further by suggesting i am flawed for not attaching those nouns or adjectives.

Rape and murder are crimes i wouldn't wish upon someone else. I know how terrible it is.

 

[Jabes11]

I simply believe that our LEGAL system should be more like a JUSTICE system, and take more of a consideration towards the victims and public safety, more so than the "rights" of the criminal. Why should we as a society extend any more than basic human rights, to these scumbags, when they themselves give FAR LESS to their own victims. Lock em up, throw away the key. End of story. The families will take comfort in the fact that they will never again have to worry about the scum that ripped their families apart, and public safety will never be compromised again.

Is our system that bad? Paul got life, and likely isn't going to see the light of day again. Karla got a deal because Paul kicked the crap out of her, and left her black and blue to one of the worst extents in our country. Did you see Karla's state? They didn't know Karla was that involved, and that's why they gave her the deal. You have to be careful, because if that evidence didn't surface, with the video tapes, what your proposing is a dangerous increase of punishment that would effect innocent parties.

Could you imagine a girl that had no involvement, was beat to pieces, and told to help do these acts or die? So we throw her in jail for life?

 

[frankcastle]

I take the good and the bad of the law in stride.

With hundreds of thousands of cases some are not going to go well.

But at the same time there are plenty of laws in place that allow us to live a pretty darn good life.

When abortion was still illegal should doctors who performed them be fair game for ridicule and shaming? So yeah as much as it stings Karla benefits from the system which aims to treat all people the same. She did her time.

How i feel about the amount of time is my opinion not the law.

 

[danmand]

The problem is plea bargaining, which has no place in an honest justice system. North American prosecutors rely on it.

 

[SchlongConery]

The problem is plea bargaining, which has no place in an honest justice system. North American prosecutors rely on it.

LMAO!!!

You want to pay for the resources for every charge to go to trial!?!?!

Do you have any idea of the scope of costs that would entail?

 

[GameBoy27]

Holmolka Alive And Well Living in Quebec

And Prince is dead. Proof the world isn't fair!

 

[canada-man]

 

[danmand]

LMAO!!!

You want to pay for the resources for every charge to go to trial!?!?!

Do you have any idea of the scope of costs that would entail?

You are ignorant and arrogant, an un-charming combination. Plea bargaining is used extensively in Common law countries, but almost never in Civil Law countries.

The worst form of plea bargaining is the type used in the Homolka case, where she received a light sentence in return for helping the prosecution. That type of plea bargaining is in my humble opinion an affront to justice.

 

[frankcastle]

You are ignorant and arrogant, an un-charming combination. Plea bargaining is used extensively in Common law countries, but almost never in Civil Law countries.

The worst form of plea bargaining is the type used in the Homolka case, where she received a light sentence in return for helping the prosecution. That type of plea bargaining is in my humble opinion an affront to justice.

Plea bargaining is a necessary evil as it allows the prosecution to go after what they deem to be the big fish.

If they didnt feel she would be helpful in getting paul the deal would not have happened.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

If her name was Carl Homolka, her SO Paula Bernardo would be out of prison and she would be in.

 

[SchlongConery]

You are ignorant and arrogant, an un-charming combination. Plea bargaining is used extensively in Common law countries, but almost never in Civil Law countries.

Who is ignorant and arrogant here?

I accept that our country is based on common law. How is that ignorant? I asked you if you had any idea of the costs to take every case to trial?

You reply with a personal insult and, as usual, do not respond to the question put to you. Given time, I suppose you could find something to cut and paste in response.

But to ignorance and arrogance... you have an unshakable belief that your judgement on matters of criminal law (among other things) is superior to that of which our society has evolved into being one of the safest and most civilized countries in the world. You ignore the judgements of the learned, educated and experienced Judges who oversee this continually evolving system and substitute your own or point to Civil Codes that do not apply, and will NEVER apply to Canada.

The worst form of plea bargaining is the type used in the Homolka case, where she received a light sentence in return for helping the prosecution. That type of plea bargaining is in my humble opinion an affront to justice.

Why?

 

[SchlongConery]

Plea bargaining is a necessary evil as it allows the prosecution to go after what they deem to be the big fish.

If they didnt feel she would be helpful in getting paul the deal would not have happened.

Not just the big fish, but any fish.

In many cases, there would be insufficient evidence to convict were it not for a plea bargain to allow a witness to testify without putting themselves in jeopardy themselves.

 

[danmand]

who is ignorant and arrogant here?

I accept that our country is based on common law. How is that ignorant? I asked you if you had any idea of the costs to take every case to trial?

You reply with a personal insult and, as usual, do not respond to the question put to you. Given time, i suppose you could find something to cut and paste in response.

But to ignorance and arrogance... You have an unshakable belief that your judgement on matters of criminal law (among other things) is superior to that of which our society has evolved into being one of the safest and most civilized countries in the world. You ignore the judgements of the learned, educated and experienced judges who oversee this continually evolving system and substitute your own or point to civil codes that do not apply, and will never apply to canada.

Why?

The characterizations are not insults; they are factual, and are validated by your response.
q.e.d

 

[danmand]

Plea bargaining is a necessary evil as it allows the prosecution to go after what they deem to be the big fish.

If they didnt feel she would be helpful in getting paul the deal would not have happened.

Yet justice is well and good (better) in countries with civil law.

 

[thesun]

Plea bargaining is a necessary evil as it allows the prosecution to go after what they deem to be the big fish.

If they didnt feel she would be helpful in getting paul the deal would not have happened.

I just wonder if the prosecutors were tooooooo quick to offer her a plea bargain without checking for more evidence if she was a willing participant.

 

[frankcastle]

I just wonder if the prosecutors were tooooooo quick to offer her a plea bargain without checking for more evidence if she was a willing participant.

Probably. Human nature to go for a slam dunk.

 

[frankcastle]

Yet justice is well and good (better) in countries with civil law.

Whichever countries would that be?

I found a list of countries. Of the ones thst say civil law it goes on to say what type of civil law. For example Quebec is civil law with a french heritage.

Does that mean justice is better in quebec?

China and Cuba have forms of civil law...... not sure i would want to go to trial in either of those countries.