I guess it's not id they're qualified, maybe my comment should be more geared toward hiring female cops and firefighters.
Kane did it a few times. You can't flaunt wealth and then cry the blues.
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Kane did it a few times. You can't flaunt wealth and then cry the blues.
I only remember it once too...but to be fair, Evander Kane has had some difficulties with teammates and is known as "its all about me" guy...good player thou.
Some teams have hired women in various hockey operations roles, if they are qualified fine...but there is a ton of males out there with pro or junior experience that are knocking at the door asking about the same jobs.
Hayley Wickenheiser is most certainly qualified, Noelle Needham as well (just to use 2 TML examples).
Ms. Needham was hired as a scout, worked for the Maple Leafs for 2 years.
She has since left the organization to become assistant general manager of the Chicago Steel (USHL) just last week.
From Ryan Hardy, g.m. of the Steel:
“Noelle Needham is a brilliant hockey executive with an expansive skill set and knowledge base,” said Steel General Manager Ryan Hardy. “Her experience, not only as an Amateur Scout with the Toronto Maple Leafs or as a coach with Legend Hockey and the Sioux Falls Power, but also as an entrepreneur and business owner, adds significant dimension to what we are building. I’m thrilled to partner with her as we continue to grow our organization in the years to come.”
Aside: The Maple Leafs have a player on the Steel this season: Joe Miller.
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Do you think the organization would hire a lesser qualified individual for good p.r.?
Underhill joined the National Hockey League's Toronto Maple Leafs as the team's Skating Consultant on April 20, 2012.
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Guys, no jokes about female figure skaters and the Maple Leafs, please.
In this instance they did...I'm sure there was a male with 10-plus years of pro hockey experience that has more knowledge of the game and could have done as good if not a better job, but they hired the female with zero experience.Do you think the organization would hire a lesser qualified individual for good p.r.?
Her job with the Leafs couldn't have been that great, she left that for a job as assistant GM of a USHL team...
Barb Underhill is regarded as one of the best instructors on skating in the world.
Tessa Virtue's relationship with Morgan Rielly is irrelevant in this thread.
Ms. Needham scored very highly in a blind evaluation of potential scouts.
How exactly does that make her less qualified?
Should a guy with 10+ years experience but who files lesser reports, doesn't work as hard,
be hired, just because that's how it's always been?
Will you stay in the same job for your entire life?
I think experience matters, if he turns out to be a bad scout than you can him...filling out a blind evaluation is interesting and I'm sure there was some interesting results, like what if some 15-year old kid had a great score...
Going from an NHL scouting position to the assistant GM of a USHL team is a huge, gigantic slide...
Rather than fire the lesser person, why not hire the person more qualified in the 1st place?
I guess my question at this point is why not hire the person who scored higher in the evaluations?
If a 15 year old had a great score, which evidently didn't happen, then the powers that be make a decision.
Hire him/her, and see if it pans out.
Or, just hire the person with testicles because, darn it, that's who have always been hockey scouts.
I've left a couple jobs in my career to take a position paying less (I don't know if that's true in this instance).
The new position gave me more varied experience in my field.
A couple years later, in both instances, I ended up making more money.
If you can show Ms. Needham's salary with the Leafs and the Steel, we can evaluate that more fairly.
Life isn't always about the digits on a paycheck, it can be about experiences.
I would like to know what they were asked to do in the blind evaluations. was it an assessment of players? If it is that is very subjective because teams value players differently. If her analysis is more in line with what Dubas thought then obviously she would rank higher. As you know teams value players differently in the draft. Not only that they grade their skills differently. I really don't care if it's a man or woman. Whomever Dubas thought was a better fit for him was the right choice. You can have all the experience in the world but if your evaluations and theory of how a team should be don't mesh with the executive doing the hiring then you probably will not get the job. Lots of companies hire people for P.R purposes. That doesn't mean they aren't qualified. They might not be the most qualified but make up for that in terms of good P.R.
So you are assuming that the person who scores higher in the blind evaluation is more qualified? No resume, No interview...it's all about the blind evaluation? My 15-year old example is just an example to show what could go wrong...I bet there are scouts who have been doing a great job for 20-years that may fail miserably at a blind evaluation.
I don't know about her salaries...the USHL is several rungs in the ladder below the NHL...there is no way she received a pay raise...
Just having a bit of fun for all (no pun intended). Not saying that the Leafs are a bunch of figure skaters.
Never heard of Ms Needham before, but that probably explains the Leaf's draft choices in the last 3 drafts.
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Doubt the Leafs would hire a female scout for PR purposes. Ask 100 Leaf fans and I would be surprised if many could name the Leaf scout(s). What the Leafs need is a PR person who can spin why the Leafs are a great team.
When the Raptors hired Jeremy Lin, I think many people thought that was a great PR move to tap into Toronto's large and generally affluent Asian market. Question: What happened to Jeremy? Did he get his ring?
They hired her thinking it was going to work, and I don't doubt that a PR move factored into it.
Do you think Manon Rheaume at Tampa Bay Lightning training camp was a PR move?
Have you determined whether the hire worked out or not?
If so (either way), please provide facts backing your assertion.
Yes.
The Lightning said as much.
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