Hobbying is more efficient than Dating.

Titalian

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Many reasonable comments here on both sides. All to say, Its no wonder they call it the oldest profession in the world.
But I have to side with the fact that seeing escorts, although very fulfilling sexually can never replace a true loving relationship
between a man and a woman. Maybe its because I started out seeing escorts later in my life. For before then
I was always with women and there were many, on a more serious level. Jmts
 

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Is efficient better? Is efficiency the only criteria. If you're sick, or on your deathbed do you think your fav sp is gonna be there. The love of a good woman makes a man better, I'm about the least sentimental person you're ever likely to meet, but in my experience, the cliche is actually true.
I agree.
 

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The 50% divorce rate in Ontario is testament to that.
And the 50% that stay married include those who are not necessarily fulfilled or completely happy. Many are happy - and these are ones that understand that marriage takes work, that marriage is a business proposition - not some romance fairy tale, and that companionship and genuine feelings for a life partner requires compromise and sacrifice.
 

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And of those 50% still together, there are some that are having affairs, visiting SPs, going to sugardaddy.com or just living sexless marriages. So the numbers are even more daunting than the stats would indicate under the table. Not judging anyone who chooses to have anything outside of their marriage. As there circumstances that are not my business such as Kids at hand, their is love but no sex or its an open marriage. Just those numbers aren't completely telling of who is satisfied with the classical monogomous marriage model. Hence why I am all for Polyamory which is more of a realistic view of relationships and accepting the fact of multiple lovers.

And the 50% that stay married include those who are not necessarily fulfilled or completely happy. Many are happy - and these are ones that understand that marriage takes work, that marriage is a business proposition - not some romance fairy tale, and that companionship and genuine feelings for a life partner requires compromise and sacrifice.
 

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I find dating in Toronto to be emotionally taxing. Trying to talk to girl, getting her number, text games and mind games. I was at a singles event and was talking to this girl who was average looking. But she thought she was an angel and she was going on and on about herself and as I listened to her I was thinking to myself, " I just slept with gorgeous 20 yr old SP yesterday why am I even talking to you." I excused myself to go the washroom.
I think you should text her that you are not coming back. She is probably still waiting
 

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I think the discovery of hobbying has made me less "desperate" for sex because I can get it at any time as long as I can pay for it.

I'm more able to be true about myself rather than to sacrifice my own needs and feelings so I can get a girl's pussy.

If one is looking for pure sex, I think hobby is definitely the cheapest way to do it if you are making alright money.

Hobbying actually made me want to find a girl that is more compatible with me overall than just physical attribute. If I want a hot babe for sex, I just need to pick up the phone. On the other hand, finding someone who is a good partner is harder and should be valued more than looks.

I used to be in the PUA movement but now I find the entire concept ridiculous. Some people would recommend getting a job like bartender so they can get more laid. To me, this is a waste of your core purpose in life because you could be doing something great with your life.

If you want to find a life partner, then yes, you should date. However, if you just want to get laid, then dating a girl with the pretence of love just to fuck them is wrong unless both parties understand this is a NOA encounter.


Simple Equations:

Hobby ~= ONS
Hobby != Relationship
I agree whole heartedly with your statements. When i hobby i usually tell myself damn i need to be in a real relationship again, i've always longed for the companionship. Even if the sex was mind blowing, it's not so much infatuation with the girl, but finding the woman that has it all.
 

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Agreed, don't really see it that often these days. Or its hard to tell what is authentic. If it is, more power to you and run with it! The fact is allot of "love of a good woman" is paid for in some way or the other as well. Where the pretense of love is hidden for some sort of indirect monetary exchange.

Instead of $240 for the hour, it's the the cost of the house, a fancy new car, trips to exotic places, paying off her credit card spending for all her shoe shopping. So it's really hard to tell what is actually for "love". Which all of that love can painfully make itself clear it was an illusion when those divorce papers pop up and everything is ripped from your soul.

So maybe if I buy an SP a house, we could seek a contractual arrangement (Which marriage is also contractual - so fair trade) she shows up on my death bed when I'm sick? Figure with average million dollar cost of a Toronto home in good neighbhourhood should be covered in that $240 an hour somewhere. I will even throw in a car to help get to the hospital.

For the record my parents are still happily married in what seems to be a monogomous relationship. So I'm not saying this is not possible. However my parents told me they had put in a shitload of work in their marriage. And have warned me in itself be careful what you call "love".
For the record, the "love of a good woman" is not conditional to a mansion and cars. That's a "gold digger" in the worst case or "high maintenance" in the best case.

A "good woman" puts in the effort with a guy towards building a good life absent of criteria like big homes or fancy cars. It is on you, me and every guy to look out for good values and traits. Shallow women, women with least ability to work hard and no track record of achievement, women who expect to be taken care of because the only thing they bring to the table are good looks, women who are influenced by others perception of them etc etc.......well, these will probably fuck a guy over at some point.

Which is why as someone in this thread was saying, as we get older it is hard to find "good women" and when we do, we might not appreciate their outward physical appearance. Then, as i was stating up above to Vermeer, every guy has to make a decision: 1) stay alone or 2) pay for sex or 3) accept nobody is perfect and accept this "good woman" and her less than perfect looks.
 

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I find dating in Toronto to be emotionally taxing. Trying to talk to girl, getting her number, text games and mind games. I was at a singles event and was talking to this girl who was average looking. But she thought she was an angel and she was going on and on about herself and as I listened to her I was thinking to myself, " I just slept with gorgeous 20 yr old SP yesterday why am I even talking to you." I excused myself to go the washroom.
I agree with the taxing part (I'm 38 and suffering in this Toronto scene for a while): but to compare this chick to an escort is not fair. Assuming unlike the OP, you're not just looking for sex (and if you are, you should be in a club rather than singles event). In that instant of thought, you have distilled both women down to an age number (20) and physical appearance ("gorgeous") and the only thing you see both good for is: sex.

I'm not saying Miss Blabbermouth was the perfect woman but if you were there dating for a relationship partner, in order to draw an equivalency, you might want to think about whether you'd be cool with a relationship with a 20 year old SP who gets dozens of cocks pounding her every week. :)
 

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Geez, Tease, the hobby teaches men to separate sex from love??? Aren't we born knowing the difference?
Touche! Do a search for threads about dating SPs/MPAs/Dancers.... :)

Is efficient better? Is efficiency the only criteria. If you're sick, or on your deathbed do you think your fav sp is gonna be there. The love of a good woman makes a man better, I'm about the least sentimental person you're ever likely to meet, but in my experience, the cliche is actually true.
A very good point! A good relationship is truly a partnership, one where the woman supports the man to maximize his potential (and vice versa).

A "good woman" puts in the effort with a guy towards building a good life absent of criteria like big homes or fancy cars.
There's nothing wrong with a woman who wants to enjoy luxury. But I would expect to contribute by pursuing her own career or supporting her man in his. Many of my unhappily married friends are unhappy because their wives expect the LP or FH address but give them shit when they have to work extra hours or travel for the job. Also, nothing is as unsexy as a woman who expects, nay, feels entitled, to being pampered.

Men are naturally inclined to spoil our queens/princesses. If a duded ain't doing it, it's because he can't or he doesn't want to. Figure it out, ladies...


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Touche! Do a search for threads about dating SPs/MPAs/Dancers.... :)



A very good point! A good relationship is truly a partnership, one where the woman supports the man to maximize his potential (and vice versa).



There's nothing wrong with a woman who wants to enjoy luxury. But I would expect to contribute by pursuing her own career or supporting her man in his. Many of my unhappily married friends are unhappy because their wives expect the LP or FH address but give them shit when they have to work extra hours or travel for the job. Also, nothing is as unsexy as a woman who expects, nay, feels entitled, to being pampered.

Men are naturally inclined to spoil our queens/princesses. If a duded ain't doing it, it's because he can't or he doesn't want to. Figure it out, ladies...


/rant

What about an SP who wants to be with you, but who will work for the luxury she enjoys?
 

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I know an sp is not a relationship but I also fear divorce and losing it all to the wrong woman.
 

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I know an sp is not a relationship but I also fear divorce and losing it all to the wrong woman.
The key here is to give it time, don't jump into it, let it flow you'll find out soon enough. If she sticks by you and there are no sudden changes in attitude. You'll know.
 

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I agree with the taxing part (I'm 38 and suffering in this Toronto scene for a while): but to compare this chick to an escort is not fair. Assuming unlike the OP, you're not just looking for sex (and if you are, you should be in a club rather than singles event). In that instant of thought, you have distilled both women down to an age number (20) and physical appearance ("gorgeous") and the only thing you see both good for is: sex.

I'm not saying Miss Blabbermouth was the perfect woman but if you were there dating for a relationship partner, in order to draw an equivalency, you might want to think about whether you'd be cool with a relationship with a 20 year old SP who gets dozens of cocks pounding her every week. :)
SPs are polished conversationalists compared to the rif raff of women out there that can't piece together a cogent sentence. I'm generally the one carrying the conversation in the real world and trying to build chemistry. I have no illusions about the five other clients that were booked before I stepped in the door to see that SP. But I had a better time talking to her and banging her then hearing Miss Blabbermouth - it was worth $250.

Also, women can be pretty ruthless when it comes rejecting. Why can't men do the same?
 

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What about an SP who wants to be with you, but who will work for the luxury she enjoys?

Interesting q. But in my mind, whether she works and how she chooses to spend her money are two separate issues. If a guy isn't ok with his woman working, the luxuries wear thin quickly.


I've noticed more than a few working girls who support their SOs. I've been told that some actually prefer it that way. It's a bit of a power play and the fact that the woman brings home the bread lessens the perceived guilt or leverage. I find it terribly ironic.
 

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imo if you are after just sex, yes, hobbying is more efficient than dating. but if you are looking for someone to be with/raise a family etc... then dating is your only option.
 

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Just finished watching the movie "Shame". Thanks for recommending it.

Yeah that's totally becoming me. Although I'm not so sure where the film was going with things. But I am certainly not as Dark and Dreary as him. Quiete the opposite, I gotta a BIG fucking smile on my face every week. Especially with this hobby. Ear to fucking ear.

Interesting thoughts on this thread especially since I just saw that movie 'Shame' with Michael Fassbender, which shows the dark side of this hobby and on real 'relationships.' The reality is there are grey areas in everything. I think it's fine if you can enjoy this hobby without becoming an addiction since it can easily.
 
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