Hobbling in the USA
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We have a pretty good Merb thread on this topic.
The general rule is that lying, especially about a fictitious purpose, is a really bad idea.
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One poster said that in secondary inspection they have been known to call the person in Canada the person is said to be visiting.
What is wrong with just saying general tourism? Make a list of all the things you are going to do other than buying sex, and talk about those things.
I guess because of the lower prices and closer proximity to NYC / Boston, there are a lot more U.S. guys who visit Canada regularly.
There is never a huge problem. One guy, an Asian with a chip on his shoulder, claims to have been turned away when he didn’t delete explicit texts with an escort agency that the agent read when they looked through his phone. He was convinced he was targeted because he is Asian.
So delete that stuff from your phone. Write some numbers in a paperback book if necessary. Toward the middle of the book.
Other than that there is simply the game of them asking questions, and the entrant giving nerdy tourist answers.
Every once in a while they look through a bag, especially if they think you are a drug courier, which a lot of short trips might suggest.
So obviously don’t bring drugs. There are no examples of people being turned away for condoms or sex toys. There are plenty of examples of that when Canadian sex workers try to enter the U.S., by the way. Realistically, due to the possibility of a bag search, most guys don’t bring an abundance of sex toys. But condoms by all accounts are simply ignored.
I think some guys go overboard on the phone scrub. Just make sure your username and password don’t automatically pop up for your hobby email. Delete the call and text history with the escorts and escort agencies. You can look it up again, or get it from your paperback book later.
Be polite, a bit of a touristy nerd, and you will be fine. It is not illegal to travel alone, or to be a nerd. Lying is illegal, however.
The general rule is that lying, especially about a fictitious purpose, is a really bad idea.
What are the consequences of getting caught lying to a Canadian customs officer?
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One poster said that in secondary inspection they have been known to call the person in Canada the person is said to be visiting.
What is wrong with just saying general tourism? Make a list of all the things you are going to do other than buying sex, and talk about those things.
I guess because of the lower prices and closer proximity to NYC / Boston, there are a lot more U.S. guys who visit Canada regularly.
There is never a huge problem. One guy, an Asian with a chip on his shoulder, claims to have been turned away when he didn’t delete explicit texts with an escort agency that the agent read when they looked through his phone. He was convinced he was targeted because he is Asian.
So delete that stuff from your phone. Write some numbers in a paperback book if necessary. Toward the middle of the book.
Other than that there is simply the game of them asking questions, and the entrant giving nerdy tourist answers.
Every once in a while they look through a bag, especially if they think you are a drug courier, which a lot of short trips might suggest.
So obviously don’t bring drugs. There are no examples of people being turned away for condoms or sex toys. There are plenty of examples of that when Canadian sex workers try to enter the U.S., by the way. Realistically, due to the possibility of a bag search, most guys don’t bring an abundance of sex toys. But condoms by all accounts are simply ignored.
I think some guys go overboard on the phone scrub. Just make sure your username and password don’t automatically pop up for your hobby email. Delete the call and text history with the escorts and escort agencies. You can look it up again, or get it from your paperback book later.
Be polite, a bit of a touristy nerd, and you will be fine. It is not illegal to travel alone, or to be a nerd. Lying is illegal, however.
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What I meant by lying is that there is no reason to make up fictional people.
You are allowed to travel to do sightseeing, go to a hockey game, see the Canadian side of Niagara, experience French culture and try out you limited French vocabulary in Montreal, etc.
You don’t need to volunteer any information about commercial sex, and in fact they won’t ask about it.
You are allowed to travel to do sightseeing, go to a hockey game, see the Canadian side of Niagara, experience French culture and try out you limited French vocabulary in Montreal, etc.
You don’t need to volunteer any information about commercial sex, and in fact they won’t ask about it.
Florida newlywed, 34, is arrested for trying to solicit a prostitute on his HONEYMOON | Daily Mail Online
Better hobby in Toronto and stick to Torontoniancation. You have been warned.
Better hobby in Toronto and stick to Torontoniancation. You have been warned.
Do any of you ever pay attention to details instead of headlines?
He booked a session from a mass classified ad instead of booking a reviewed escort with her own website / Twitter presence who screens her customers to make sure they are not cops.
Every contributor who gives information about the U.S. scene says to not do what these guys did. Do not use skipthegames website. Avoid usasexguide.info. Use TER, ECCIE. See someone with a web presence, preferably with reviews.
The busts in the U.S. are predictable. They come from a level lower than LeoList.
Gentlemen, if you want to take this guy's advice and hobby in the U.S., go for it. I couldn't care less. But don't be shocked if there's a police cavity search in your future.
What is ironic, and somewhat funny, is that when you go to some of the Canadian threads on ISG you will find a poster who read about c-36 and announces to everyone that you can’t monger in Canada because the police will bust through the door and arrest the John (but of course not the sex worker). It has to be patiently explained to that person how Canada really works, including the police prioritization policy that arguably makes Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver much safer than other areas. But even before the recent court activity, true metro Toronto was safer than the activities in the suburbs, some of which generated those recent court cases.
The scene in the U.S. is of course less safe than Canada, but it is also complex. If it makes people happier to simply stereotype the U.S. as one big place with the same level of law enforcement everywhere, that is certainly fine with me. But that Isn’t accurate. Terb, like it or not, has an International section, where people ask questions about various scenes other than in and around Toronto. And like it or not, those of us who take the time to study, learn, and participate in some of those scenes will respond.
The U.S. really isn’t that difficult. It is actually less complex than the nuances of Canada’s Nordic Model coupled with the police prioritization policy.
In the U.S., you have nothing to worry about if you:
Spend a small fortune (pay the going rate for the region)
See a lady who screens her customers (or has someone do it for her),
See a lady with reviews and a web presence (preferably her own website or at least a Twitter profile followed by other reputable providers).
Avoid the high-risk areas such as the state of Arizona, and surprisingly the state of Alaska.
Law enforcement leaves those ladies alone. Why wouldn’t they? When law enforcement takes out a fake explicit ad on skipthegames offering a low price they get 50 Johns texting blatant solicitation and if the ad said 420 friendly, showing up with a bag of pot in one pocket and an envelope of money in the other pocket.
You can do this safely in the U.S. if you want to. Choosing not to because Canada is nearby is a rational decision, but that isn’t the question the posters ask about U.S. cities. Many of us honestly answer those questions. If you want to be safe and get good service, head to TER, read the reviews, accept the screening and often pay $400-$600 an hour.
Not the answer most guys want to receive. But it is an honest answer.
The scene in the U.S. is of course less safe than Canada, but it is also complex. If it makes people happier to simply stereotype the U.S. as one big place with the same level of law enforcement everywhere, that is certainly fine with me. But that Isn’t accurate. Terb, like it or not, has an International section, where people ask questions about various scenes other than in and around Toronto. And like it or not, those of us who take the time to study, learn, and participate in some of those scenes will respond.
The U.S. really isn’t that difficult. It is actually less complex than the nuances of Canada’s Nordic Model coupled with the police prioritization policy.
In the U.S., you have nothing to worry about if you:
Spend a small fortune (pay the going rate for the region)
See a lady who screens her customers (or has someone do it for her),
See a lady with reviews and a web presence (preferably her own website or at least a Twitter profile followed by other reputable providers).
Avoid the high-risk areas such as the state of Arizona, and surprisingly the state of Alaska.
Law enforcement leaves those ladies alone. Why wouldn’t they? When law enforcement takes out a fake explicit ad on skipthegames offering a low price they get 50 Johns texting blatant solicitation and if the ad said 420 friendly, showing up with a bag of pot in one pocket and an envelope of money in the other pocket.
You can do this safely in the U.S. if you want to. Choosing not to because Canada is nearby is a rational decision, but that isn’t the question the posters ask about U.S. cities. Many of us honestly answer those questions. If you want to be safe and get good service, head to TER, read the reviews, accept the screening and often pay $400-$600 an hour.
Not the answer most guys want to receive. But it is an honest answer.
Before C36 in Victoria airport they seemed to think I had some connection to someone from Florida. At the time the only time I had been to FL was a kid to Disneyworld/land get them confused. In secondary screening found link to Perb on my laptop and Court paperwork since the trial was going on in Phoenix for the founder of TER (Elms) who hired a hitman to go after me and potentially kill a well-known escort - a long story that even mentioned me in the NY Times... but had some correspondence from the AZ Prosecutor that I wasn't needed to testify which was at a time I was in Victoria. He was found guilty and sentenced to 4 years in prison. He had two prior felonies in CA but their 3-strikes law didn't apply to the felony in Arizona. The details are on one of my sites (not sure can use link here)
Anyway yes I told them I was seeing outcall escorts that were perfectly legal and basically taught them the criminal code. One guy went in back to look it up and found I was right and the younger agent wanted to know more about this thing called perb. Do prostitutes talk to guys? What do they talk about? He was curious and I bet he was looking up perb that night.
(Note the Sheriff in Saanich where many of the big incall agencies were located) told the incall owners the city was cracking down and they should move to Victoria (a few miles South) Huge agency opened an incall in the heart of downtown Victoria, visited a few times a year by the police just to be sure no one underage, legal and paid the about $100/yr escort fee to the city. This was in the old law days when incalls (bawdy houses) were illegal but outcall was not. But much like the non-enforcement of C36 today in Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver it was never an issue in Victoria.
Anyway the border folks had no problem once I taught them the law. I did get Nexus after that to be sure not confused by whoever they thought I was from Florida. This was before I got interested in Toronto and was on the board that had a different name before it was terb by the now deceased founder.
I live in CA but work all over the US. Stright answer...
Do lots of reaserch before making contact.
There are many state specific website that i can reference that has ad and review, that would be your best bet.
Never send deposit. Never never never
I never send but most will ask for selfies some providers have even asked linkin account, DL, and most want to do video calls.
If it looks to good to be true, it is.
So easy to monger in canada.
I usually go to TJ in mexico if i am in the area.
Do lots of reaserch before making contact.
There are many state specific website that i can reference that has ad and review, that would be your best bet.
Never send deposit. Never never never
I never send but most will ask for selfies some providers have even asked linkin account, DL, and most want to do video calls.
If it looks to good to be true, it is.
So easy to monger in canada.
I usually go to TJ in mexico if i am in the area.
Here is an article by a U.S. sex worker to contemplate. Sure the content itself is interesting, but high-end escorting with screening is common enough in the U.S. that some women openly identify themselves as sex workers using their real names.
www.huffpost.com
I doubt if she or her customers are getting many body cavity searches.
Now seeing a $100-$200 an hour hooker can indeed be a different story.
Much like c-36 and the Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver police prioritization policy, there is a published non-prosecution policy in Manhattan regarding for sex workers who aren’t disturbing the public (granted that non-prosecution policy does not directly extend to johns, but there have been no prosecution of Johns patronizing these favored sex workers since it was published)
www.npr.org
If you think the U.S. laws, and prosecutions of laws, regarding prostitution are more fucked up than anything described in that article about her marriage, I won’t disagree.
But it doesn’t change the fact that U.S. laws, and the enforcement of such laws, regarding sex work is almost entirely dependent upon who you have sex with and where the sex occurred.
You have to contrast this with the high-profile busts that occurred today in Polk County, Florida, which is known to be unfriendly to sex work. They took out fake ads, staked out a known low-priced incall place where drugs were also being sold, and basically went after a lot of ladies advertising on the mass-classified escortbabylon site. Lot of arrests and publicity and all the sex acts involved offers of less than $250 with no screening, of course. About an equal number of Johns and sex workers were arrested. There is a caste system in the U.S., and you don’t want to go near the lower caste.
I’m an Escort In An Open Marriage. Here’s What It’s Taught Me About Relationships.
"I’ve learned a lot from being an escort, and one of the biggest lessons has been that cheating is common but divorce doesn’t have to be."
I doubt if she or her customers are getting many body cavity searches.
Now seeing a $100-$200 an hour hooker can indeed be a different story.
Much like c-36 and the Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver police prioritization policy, there is a published non-prosecution policy in Manhattan regarding for sex workers who aren’t disturbing the public (granted that non-prosecution policy does not directly extend to johns, but there have been no prosecution of Johns patronizing these favored sex workers since it was published)
A 'Relic' And 'Burden': Manhattan District Attorney To Stop Prosecuting Prostitution
Cyrus Vance Jr. announced the new policy on Wednesday and appeared virtually in court to seek the dismissal of more than 5,000 prostitution-related cases dating back to the 1970s.
www.npr.org
If you think the U.S. laws, and prosecutions of laws, regarding prostitution are more fucked up than anything described in that article about her marriage, I won’t disagree.
But it doesn’t change the fact that U.S. laws, and the enforcement of such laws, regarding sex work is almost entirely dependent upon who you have sex with and where the sex occurred.
You have to contrast this with the high-profile busts that occurred today in Polk County, Florida, which is known to be unfriendly to sex work. They took out fake ads, staked out a known low-priced incall place where drugs were also being sold, and basically went after a lot of ladies advertising on the mass-classified escortbabylon site. Lot of arrests and publicity and all the sex acts involved offers of less than $250 with no screening, of course. About an equal number of Johns and sex workers were arrested. There is a caste system in the U.S., and you don’t want to go near the lower caste.
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Thank you for a proper response. I’ll save my pesos until I’m back on home soil.
