Ho-hum, another day means another mass shooting in US

[Robert Mugabe]

And the USA population has over 400 million guns while Canada has 20 million.

Sweden and Japan rank higher than the USA.

Suicide is not a gun problem. It's a mental health issue.

 

[basketcase]

I thought all of these shootings were supposed to end once Trump left office?

????

Did anyone seriously believe that or is it just an excuse to avoid the issues?

 

[basketcase]

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The "right to keep and bear arms" allows people to legitimately buy firearms and then sell them to people who would otherwise be barred from buying them. ...

And that's a big part of the issue. The American laws are currently designed to allow the industry to sell as much product as possible. But they've done a good job pretending the laws are about their paranoid belief that government is going to steal their guns as part of a communist conspiracy.

 

[basketcase]

Thanks, that strengthens the argument further that suicide is unrelated to guns.

Anti-gun folks like to conflate the two.

Perhaps the type of guns plays a role? Heck of a lot easier to kill yourself with a handgun than a long gun.

 

[contact]

You are correct; however, making it easy for practically anyone to get their hands on guns, as is the case across much of the US, has a trickle-down effect -- and the guns trickle down to the gangbangers.

The "right to keep and bear arms" allows people to legitimately buy firearms and then sell them to people who would otherwise be barred from buying them. And that spreads to other countries, especially Mexico and to a large degree Canada. I even saw a BBC segment when I lived in England years ago about how Jamaican gangs in the US were buying guns and then mailing them to other Jamaican gangs in the UK by disassembling them and shipping the parts piecemeal along with other items so they wouldn't be detected.

you do realize buying a gun for someone else is a "strawman" purchase and a serious felony as is selling or giving a firearm to someone you know cannot legally posses one

sending/taking guns, gun parts and munitions out of the usa without an export permit is a violation of ITAR and can get you 25 years and fines in the millions

 

[contact]

Perhaps the type of guns plays a role? Heck of a lot easier to kill yourself with a handgun than a long gun.

yes and no its easy with both shotguns are often used to make sure it works

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

How about homicide?

The reasons for people wanting to kill other people varies: https://www.statista.com/statistics...s-in-the-us-by-felony-type-and-circumstances/

Sometimes it's personal (husband wants to kill wife), sometimes it's business (gang member wants territory), sometimes it's a long list of other reasons. But again, guns don't make people do anything.

27% of homicides in the USA are committed without using a gun. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/#:~:text=There was a total of,murders varied significantly between states.

And if I'm not mistaken rates of gun deaths have steadily gone down since the 1990s. The 70s and 80s were more dangerous than today, and there are many more guns in circulation today.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

you do realize buying a gun for someone else is a "strawman" purchase and a serious felony as is selling or giving a firearm to someone you know cannot legally posses one

sending/taking guns, gun parts and munitions out of the usa without an export permit is a violation of ITAR and can get you 25 years and fines in the millions

Yup if you want to throw away your life and do serious time behind bars, try smuggling guns across the US border.

These smugglers buy guns for $200 - $300 in the USA and resell them on the black market (i.e. to criminals) in Canada for $3500 - $4000.

Lucrative but I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

The reasons for people wanting to kill other people varies: https://www.statista.com/statistics...s-in-the-us-by-felony-type-and-circumstances/

Sometimes it's personal (husband wants to kill wife), sometimes it's business (gang member wants territory), sometimes it's a long list of other reasons. But again, guns don't make people do anything.

27% of homicides in the USA are committed without using a gun. https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us-by-state/#:~:text=There was a total of,murders varied significantly between states.

And if I'm not mistaken rates of gun deaths have steadily gone down since the 1990s. The 70s and 80s were more dangerous than today, and there are many more guns in circulation today.

All right. You sold me.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

you do realize buying a gun for someone else is a "strawman" purchase and a serious felony as is selling or giving a firearm to someone you know cannot legally posses one

sending/taking guns, gun parts and munitions out of the usa without an export permit is a violation of ITAR and can get you 25 years and fines in the millions

And this doesn't stop people from doing it.

 

[contact]

And this doesn't stop people from doing it.

no but your post makes it seem like its ok to do I'm pointing out there are laws against it with serious jail time if caught