Hmmmm . . . about to take on a sugarbabe . . . do I need a prenup?
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Blackmail is the only exposure. Ignore what Ceiling Cat stated. That is impossible in Ontario and he's made that up. In Ontario, even a commonlaw can't take half the house or half the assets unless they've been deemed equivalent to a spouse and that takes 3 years of living together. Since the Sugarbabe will never be living with you, she would never qualify as a spouse and therefore never be entitled to anything. Even though you may not like the keep your personal info to yourself to avoid blackmail and pay cash scenario, that would be the only way to try to avoid blackmail and even that may not be enough as she could try to get the info about you without you actually volunteering it.
My take on this:
No paper trail. She will have your real info and can certainly call up your wife if things get ugly.
She can extort money and blackmail you if she wants to.
Get a hobby phone, pay cash, etc. If you don't want to do that, don't get into an arrangement with her at all!
Agree to a set monthly amount with her and (say you see her once a week) pay her at the BEGINNING of the month for all 4 weeks.
That will set up some trust that you're good for the $. Then keep paying her on the first of every month (payment in advance) and she will believe it is a recurring arrangement. After 2 months of doing this, there will be trust on both sides and NO need for written arrangements!
No paper trail. She will have your real info and can certainly call up your wife if things get ugly.
She can extort money and blackmail you if she wants to.
Get a hobby phone, pay cash, etc. If you don't want to do that, don't get into an arrangement with her at all!
Agree to a set monthly amount with her and (say you see her once a week) pay her at the BEGINNING of the month for all 4 weeks.
That will set up some trust that you're good for the $. Then keep paying her on the first of every month (payment in advance) and she will believe it is a recurring arrangement. After 2 months of doing this, there will be trust on both sides and NO need for written arrangements!
^^^^^^ good advice if you are a single guy and or a married guy who is not concerned about your wife finding out .
the OP is looking for the cherry on his sundae, at least thats my read based on his posts. He will not be able to conduct this affair without evidence. There will be little love notes, hotel bills, , phone calls, selfies ...... its his reward for the wealth he has accumulated and he feels like he deserves this.
this will therefore all come down to the sugar baby. is she mature? does she want to extract more than the arrangement? if so, he is fucked. if not, he may have the good times he seeks! all my efforts would therefore go into making sure i know who the sb is.
a written contract? LOL.
the OP is looking for the cherry on his sundae, at least thats my read based on his posts. He will not be able to conduct this affair without evidence. There will be little love notes, hotel bills, , phone calls, selfies ...... its his reward for the wealth he has accumulated and he feels like he deserves this.
this will therefore all come down to the sugar baby. is she mature? does she want to extract more than the arrangement? if so, he is fucked. if not, he may have the good times he seeks! all my efforts would therefore go into making sure i know who the sb is.
a written contract? LOL.
'If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...' Obviously you want the fantasy of an exclusive arrangement with this younger girl but a document to enforce her loyalty to the extent of excluding other personal relationships almost broaches trafficking / enslavement and would be tough to enforce (IMO).
You are married and soliciting a financial arrangement for sexual services so it is not by any stretch a common law relationship. The biggest problem I foresee with a written document is that it is proof of infidelity, subject to possible blackmail and/or you could end up in court in a breech of contract issue.
I hadn't considered such document, should it ever come to light, being used against me by my wife as 'proof of infidelity.' FYI IM469, the intent of this document isn't to enforce the lady's loyalty, that would be ridiculous. It's to limit my financial exposure if/when the reltionship ended. In any event, the various comments have convinced me such a document is pointless and possibly dangerous so I'm dropping the idea. Again, thanks to all who voiced their opinion.
Your only legal exposure is a possible paternity suit down the road.
She is not a spouse, even common law. And the agreement is probably not legally enforceable. It's unlikely that the courts would ever enforce a contract for personal social and sexual companionship. Even in a world where prostitution may well be on the verge of becoming legally acceptable in Canada, the courts would be loathe to make an intimate agreement enforceable in the courts.
So don't worry about it. Just make sure you wear a condom.
She is not a spouse, even common law. And the agreement is probably not legally enforceable. It's unlikely that the courts would ever enforce a contract for personal social and sexual companionship. Even in a world where prostitution may well be on the verge of becoming legally acceptable in Canada, the courts would be loathe to make an intimate agreement enforceable in the courts.
So don't worry about it. Just make sure you wear a condom.
I am pretty sure OP mentioned that he is "fixed" so I don't think he is concerned about a paternity suit. But as long as we are discussing "arrangements" of this nature in general it is worth pointing out that no arrangement, no matter how many lawyers were involved in the drafting and review of it, can shield a person from child support payments if a relationship produces a child. Child support belongs to the child and the mother does not have the right to contract out of the child's right to support before the child is born.
Whenever legal questions like this come up, I always go to a litigation lawyer with all my questions and ask him. Sometimes I even get the person to accompany me to the meeting. It only cost $200-300 for an hour consultation. After going to the same lawyer a couple times, you build a relationship with the lawyerwhereby you can easily give a quick call or email to get the lawyer to answer a question like this for free. Don't rely on the forums for legal matters.
I wouldn't rely on books, the internet or forums for specific legal advice, but some of the counselors here appear to give sound advice for starters.
Exactly. Also, there's the possibility that the more she knows about the OP, the greater the risk for blackmail since he's married.
As another said, there's no exclusivity guarantee, no matter what she's telling you. Even if he was supporting her fully and they have an agreement as to exclusivity and confidentiality, it should be done with independent counsel, but I'm not sure if it is enforceable in court. Some legal beagles here say probably not. I don't see why not if prostitution itself is not technically illegal.
I'm not a lawyer but I thought that the appeal case in Canada didn't question the issue of prostitution per se but that of security of the SP who is now forced to walk the streets or may be vulnerable to pimps, and the right to work from what the current law prohibits as a bawdy house, etc. etc.
I've had a couple of Sugarbabies and have certainly never worried about these issues. After reading this thread nothing has changed my mind. The biggest problem is knowing that it changes her standard of living and, if she lives to her new means, she will not appreciate things if they end as she will be in a financial bind.
The hardest part is finding a good Sugarbaby. Been looking for the next one for quite awhile.
The hardest part is finding a good Sugarbaby. Been looking for the next one for quite awhile.
This part disturbs me. You're married and you are demanding this. Really?
Seriously ...can you really hide your identity/privacy ? Yes you can use a throw away phone, all cash, no paper...etc, how about the plate on your car ? You are not planning on taking TTC or a cab all the time right ?
I am thinking about getting a sugar baby too after reading this thread...but I am also worry about the black mail thing too...
I am thinking about getting a sugar baby too after reading this thread...but I am also worry about the black mail thing too...
I can see how the court would loathe to enforce in favour of male, but what if the facts were pro-female? For example, lets say Mary agrees to sleep with John for half a year and then John has to pay 30k for her education. John reneges. What would be the reason not to enforce against John? He received consideration and it was not illegal.
Traditionally, courts have refused to enforce any contracts which involved prostitution as being immoral and therefore, improper. Nowadays, I suspect that they may change tack and say that any agreement which involves personal intimacy is not appropriate for formal legal enforcement. I'm guessing as the topic has not yet arisen. Currently, we still have the traditional argument or "immorality".
Perfectly stated!
At your age why would you want that headache and believe me it will be a headache at some point.
You don't know her real intentions, what happens if you cut her off? What happens if your wife finds out?
She has nothing to lose, you could lose alot more.
Think with the big head.
Do you think if some younger guy that is her type comes along she will pass it by? After all you are going to be with your wife.
