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It does say that in the ad, and we have spoken with her because she told us these are the services she provides.
WE did have a client call and complain, and with this, Im not sure if you are the same person but if this is the situation we are going to speak with her. We do not want to mislead the client, and its true that YMMV is a factor, but if the problem is with the girl ( and in this case it might be) WE wont shy away from it and deal with things accordingly. I will speak with her today, and give you all an update.
WE did have a client call and complain, and with this, Im not sure if you are the same person but if this is the situation we are going to speak with her. We do not want to mislead the client, and its true that YMMV is a factor, but if the problem is with the girl ( and in this case it might be) WE wont shy away from it and deal with things accordingly. I will speak with her today, and give you all an update.
Why is it that agencies do not provide refunds? When someone goes to Costco, or when Dell does not deliver a promised service, they either provide a full refund, or provide something to the customer to make them happy. I guess that is why so many escort companies go belly up every year. Not to compare a fortune 500 company with an escort business, but when I don't get something on the listed menu, guess what. I will tell the world how crappy a 2 bit escort agency so and so is. Which I have done only once in my life.
Of course, I'm not going after a full refund, but something that will make a client happy. Agencies have to remember that when a customer has a great time, he will tell 5 people. When a customer has a terrible time, he will tell 20. This is according to 1st year economics class at york university.
Kenpachi, that is a good question.. and the answer is this.. This is not Costco, and these ladies are not Chattel or an object.
The reason Agencies go belly up is because they dont take care of the ladies they represent, rather they treat them as objects or employees. And in this type of business, which is hard enough on its own, to add that kind of control would completely break the ladies. The result is they leave the business, and with out ladies you have no agency.
Now our option, is to speak with the ladies, and if they are not comfortable with providing the service that they agreed to, then they will be asked to find another agent to represent them. And in this case, its probably going to be the solution if it isnt rectified ASAP.
And an agency is not a fortune 500 company, and this is a grey area type of work. When and if the laws change, and ladies can have unions, benefits and all the rest that goes along with legitimate employement, then we can talk about things on that level.
Apples to Apples gentlemen.
The reason Agencies go belly up is because they dont take care of the ladies they represent, rather they treat them as objects or employees. And in this type of business, which is hard enough on its own, to add that kind of control would completely break the ladies. The result is they leave the business, and with out ladies you have no agency.
Now our option, is to speak with the ladies, and if they are not comfortable with providing the service that they agreed to, then they will be asked to find another agent to represent them. And in this case, its probably going to be the solution if it isnt rectified ASAP.
And an agency is not a fortune 500 company, and this is a grey area type of work. When and if the laws change, and ladies can have unions, benefits and all the rest that goes along with legitimate employement, then we can talk about things on that level.
Apples to Apples gentlemen.
I did not want to compare an escort agency with a fortune 500 company. But customers always get the short end in this business. If you went out and got a car with AC and later found out that AC was not installed, would you say, "oh well" and then move on? I don't think so. I understand there are guys out there that are not so attractive to the ladies, so state in the beginning before the session, "I don't do this and so and so..." That way, there is no misunderstanding, and the client don't write pissed off comments on the board. Or have the girl just say "no, I'm going to pass on this client" I don't know about you, Pink Kitty Escorts, but 2-3 hundred is a lot to me, and if I use it on a girl for 30 minutes. She better provide all the menu on the list. Otherwise, don't take the money and tell me to go elsewhere.
It's very simple.
It's very simple.
Kenpachi, are you kidding... Just chalk it up to bad expierence and move on. You could have left at any time. I have used PK before and they have always been very reasonable with me. This is not a prefect industry and your not always going to get what you thought you were. I have ended up with a cbj a few times and was not happy but I still stayed, so its on ME.
Keep up the good work PK...
Keep up the good work PK...
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Kenpachi is not the OP who saw Hilton. He is just stating his opinion.Kenpachi, are you kidding... Just chalk it up to bad expierence and move on. You could have left at any time. I have used PK before and they have always been very reasonable with me. This is not a prefect industry and your not always going to get what you thought you were. I have ended up with a cbj a few times and was not happy but I still stayed, so its on ME.
Keep up the good work PK...
So what did you do when you received CBJ when you were expecting BBBJ? Complain to the agency?
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It's all about accountability. There are amateurs and pros. Complaints come about because mickey mouse agencies project the image like they are pros, but when shit hits the fan. They don't give a flying fuck. I'm not saying that PK is an amateur gig, but look at DM. It's got the reputation, and they know how to treat a client like a pro. Pro meaning that they fulfill all they promise.
At the end of the day, I hate calling the agency complaining that I did not get what I paid for.
At the end of the day, I hate calling the agency complaining that I did not get what I paid for.
I think PK is doing the right thing talking with the girl. If she misled the agency, it's not their fault, and they are promising to correct the situation. Personally, I call the agency back for 2 reasons: if I didn't receive the promised service and if I received an outstanding service. If the session was completely crappy, then a respected agency will offer you some future discount; if the session was ok, then the agency will talk to the girl, just as what PK is doing right now.
I think PK are doing the right thing since the OP mentioned "not a bad experience".
I think PK are doing the right thing since the OP mentioned "not a bad experience".
May not be a Fortune 500 company but there is something called customer service...doesn't matter what business you're in. You may not get a refund, but maybe a discount on your next session. Doesn't have to be much, just a little something to show customers you care. Most people appreciate that.
Forgive me for staying off the topic of the original post, but ... (1) there has always been a clear distinction between Goods (chattels) and Services. And time spent with a girl in this industry is a Service. And while a "discount" on a future service might be offered by some (e.g. if you get a bad haircut, they might give you a discount on your next bad haircut), it's not as common as the complaint. (2) it's the lady's TIME you're paying for, nothing more. If you spent the time, you got the service contracted for, regardless of other expectations you may have had about how that time might have otherwise been spent. Nobody is saying there aren't higher expectations, or that there may be issues if certain expectations aren't met, but that's where public discussions and reviews come in. Financial compensation should not be expected by adults in such a situation.
I agree with Anynym mostly. But here is a scenario, if I'm going to pay the lady's time to hold my hands for 1 hour, great, we have no problem just as long as she holds my hands for 1 hour. If she says no, I will only hold onto your wrist, after I paid her for 1 hour, then we have a problem. It's called a scam.Forgive me for staying off the topic of the original post, but ... (1) there has always been a clear distinction between Goods (chattels) and Services. And time spent with a girl in this industry is a Service. And while a "discount" on a future service might be offered by some (e.g. if you get a bad haircut, they might give you a discount on your next bad haircut), it's not as common as the complaint. (2) it's the lady's TIME you're paying for, nothing more. If you spent the time, you got the service contracted for, regardless of other expectations you may have had about how that time might have otherwise been spent. Nobody is saying there aren't higher expectations, or that there may be issues if certain expectations aren't met, but that's where public discussions and reviews come in. Financial compensation should not be expected by adults in such a situation.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with kenpachi. No matter how many parallels you draw to customer service in other industries, this industry is different. I understand that this hobby is expensive, but ultimately the client should never expect a partial refund or credit because a session didn't go completely as planned. Some agencies may try to make it up, but in my opinion this is not necessary. The fact is that Pink Kitty is a successful agency, despite their philosophy that the customer is not always right, shows that they are not scamming people. The not-so-great or more restrictive sessions are a risk that you take whenever you participate.
I go into any session with minimal expectations from an escort - just sex (CBJ and/or CFS). She may be advertised as providing every acronym under the sun, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CIM etc., but to me every encounter is YMMV, and if she chooses not to provide every item on the menu for whatever reason, I understand. If I'm not satisfied, I chalk it up to experience and move on.
That being said, you are completely within your rights to express your opinions and tell others about your experience - that's what this board is for. Some girls are more YMMV than others, and sharing this information will temper expectations accordingly.
I go into any session with minimal expectations from an escort - just sex (CBJ and/or CFS). She may be advertised as providing every acronym under the sun, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CIM etc., but to me every encounter is YMMV, and if she chooses not to provide every item on the menu for whatever reason, I understand. If I'm not satisfied, I chalk it up to experience and move on.
That being said, you are completely within your rights to express your opinions and tell others about your experience - that's what this board is for. Some girls are more YMMV than others, and sharing this information will temper expectations accordingly.
Well said. That's my attitude as well.I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with kenpachi. No matter how many parallels you draw to customer service in other industries, this industry is different. I understand that this hobby is expensive, but ultimately the client should never expect a partial refund or credit because a session didn't go completely as planned. Some agencies may try to make it up, but in my opinion this is not necessary. The fact is that Pink Kitty is a successful agency, despite their philosophy that the customer is not always right, shows that they are not scamming people. The not-so-great or more restrictive sessions are a risk that you take whenever you participate.
I go into any session with minimal expectations from an escort - just sex (CBJ and/or CFS). She may be advertised as providing every acronym under the sun, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CIM etc., but to me every encounter is YMMV, and if she chooses not to provide every item on the menu for whatever reason, I understand. If I'm not satisfied, I chalk it up to experience and move on.
That being said, you are completely within your rights to express your opinions and tell others about your experience - that's what this board is for. Some girls are more YMMV than others, and sharing this information will temper expectations accordingly.
I have to disagree with you on that. We all know that the statement of "paying for the time" is just taking advantage of a loophole in the US criminal code on prostitution that has been copied here in Canada. If you see an SP, it's not for her time, it's for the service she is providing, and everybody knows that. If an sp or an agency is promising a specific service, then it must be provided for the majority of clients (and can be denied to only those who lack hygiene and are disrespectful). When I see an sp I am not paying her to tell her about my day (I can do that with my friends for free), but to have intercourse with her. And if an sp advertizes that she is a sub and she turns out not to be a sub, then that is a scam even if she "officially" says on her website that you are paying for her time only.(2) it's the lady's TIME you're paying for, nothing more.
This statement about "paying for the time" is only a window to protect the sp (and the hobbyist) against the criminal code and should stay as such, nothing more since we are all adults and know what SPs are for.
